BT Infinity Fibre -v- Standard BT broadband

[alfaben]

jonnyb said:

Anyone know how to get FTTP, and how much?

https://www.zen.co.uk/yourhome/superfast-fibre-bro...

Generally unless your in a big city its very unlikely you'll be able to get it.

[Vaud]

jonnyb said:

Anyone know how to get FTTP, and how much?

Ask SamKnows

https://www.samknows.com/broadband/broadband_check...

Every service from your exchange.

[jonnyb]

Cheers guys,
looks like I will have to wait.

[russ]

actually there are a few out of the way little Dorset vilages that are starting to get fttp , one day we will all be able to have it , only trouble is I may well be 6 foot under by then

[Blown2CV]

weird thread. Surely the number speak for themselves? It's a lot faster. It costs more. there's not much else to it.

If you've not had FTTC rolled out in your area then you might not get it anytime soon. You almost definitely won't get FTTP through BT for a good while.

[Buzz84]

We have a FTTC system via contract with sky (78meg unlimited)

But we are so far away we get 15meg on a good day, it normally averages about 10 or 11meg.

So it all depends on your situation

[MintyScot]

Soon to be whats best... G.Fast or Infinity?

There will come a time when everyone is shifted onto fibre automatically. Some people wont see a benefit though as they are too far from the cab.

[M4cruiser]

Buzz84 said:

We have a FTTC system via contract with sky (78meg unlimited)

But we are so far away we get 15meg on a good day, it normally averages about 10 or 11meg.

So it all depends on your situation

This (from Buzz) is the reason it's not such a weird thread. All I need at the moment is about 3Mb. I'm paying for 8Mb (or so I thought) and I'm getting 0.4, and up to 1.2 on a good day, although it drops down a lot.

So ... I'm reluctant to be forced to pay for 50Mb. What will I actually get? Don't know until I've signed up to a minimum 24-month deal.

[DanL]

M4cruiser said:

Buzz84 said:

We have a FTTC system via contract with sky (78meg unlimited)

But we are so far away we get 15meg on a good day, it normally averages about 10 or 11meg.

So it all depends on your situation

This (from Buzz) is the reason it's not such a weird thread. All I need at the moment is about 3Mb. I'm paying for 8Mb (or so I thought) and I'm getting 0.4, and up to 1.2 on a good day, although it drops down a lot.

So ... I'm reluctant to be forced to pay for 50Mb. What will I actually get? Don't know until I've signed up to a minimum 24-month deal.

Whatever it is will be a lot better than what you currently have... For £7 extra a month (that's what - a pint and a half in a pub?) it should be a no brainer if you want to download anything, or stream (given your current speed).

[MintyScot]

M4cruiser said:

This (from Buzz) is the reason it's not such a weird thread. All I need at the moment is about 3Mb. I'm paying for 8Mb (or so I thought) and I'm getting 0.4, and up to 1.2 on a good day, although it drops down a lot.

So ... I'm reluctant to be forced to pay for 50Mb. What will I actually get? Don't know until I've signed up to a minimum 24-month deal.

Service providers are required to give you a guaranteed minimum speed when purchasing broadband. So you should know exactly what to expect.

50mb is not a package. With FTTC you currently have 80mb, 40mb and sub 15mb for the very long lines. If you've been told 50mb then that should be what to expect.

I personally went from 3mb to 80mb.

[Buzz84]

FYI, as mentioned when going on all the offers the providers sites did give estimated speeds, and they were all saying what I ended up getting. They quoted 10-15meg with a minimum of 6meg

I am only on the 78meg connection as it was the only package that was unlimited, and I got it as part of a heavily discounted new customer package.

[stemll]

Blown2CV said:

weird thread. Surely the number speak for themselves? It's a lot faster. It costs more. there's not much else to it.

If you've not had FTTC rolled out in your area then you might not get it anytime soon. You almost definitely won't get FTTP through BT for a good while.

Not really that weird if you're looking at it from an "is it as reliable", "is it as fast as claimed", "does it suffer from more/fewer slowdowns" and so on?

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

MintyScot said:

Service providers are required to give you a guaranteed minimum speed when purchasing broadband.

I've never seen anything other than 'Up To xxMbps'?

[Vaud]

MintyScot said:

Service providers are required to give you a guaranteed minimum speed when purchasing broadband.

I think that is a proposal Ofcom are considering, I don't think it's in force yet.

[MintyScot]

Vaud said:

I think that is a proposal Ofcom are considering, I don't think it's in force yet.

The Ofcom code of practice for broadband speeds is in place however it would seem that it is voluntary at this time.

According to Ofcom the following ISP's have currently signed up.

BT Business
Daisy Communications
KCOM (Hull business)
Talk Talk Business
Virgin Media
XLN
Zen

[diddles]

M4cruiser said:

Buzz84 said:

We have a FTTC system via contract with sky (78meg unlimited)

But we are so far away we get 15meg on a good day, it normally averages about 10 or 11meg.

So it all depends on your situation

This (from Buzz) is the reason it's not such a weird thread. All I need at the moment is about 3Mb. I'm paying for 8Mb (or so I thought) and I'm getting 0.4, and up to 1.2 on a good day, although it drops down a lot.

So ... I'm reluctant to be forced to pay for 50Mb. What will I actually get? Don't know until I've signed up to a minimum 24-month deal.

You can use the following to determine what different broadband services should run at on your line:

https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/adsl.htm?s_cid=ws_furls_adslchecker

The values are calculated using long term data from your existing broadband connection and telephone line and are, in the best part, a good indicator of what your line will be capable of running at post install.


For FTTC ( BT Infinity )

The VDSL Range "High" rate is basically the best case scenario. It assumes good working and correctly setup equipment is connected, router/phones/filters etc. That any extension sockets, if fitted, are correctly installed and that the proper grade cabling is being used. This is particularly important should you be running your router from an extension socket. In addition that there is no fault with either the copper or fibre section of the BT line running from your premises through to the fibre cabinet then back to the main exchange.

As a general rule, if you don't see around this value then connect your router directly to the test port inside the BT master socket and recheck.

The VDSL Range "Low" rate is an estimated sync rate should a line have an internal wiring or equipment problem with whatever is connected to the BT master socket. For example, incorrect grade/configuration of cabling running from the BT master socket to extensions. This is the figure I would set any pre install expectation on.

The downstream handback threshold is a minimum downstream sync rate at which you could start looking at rejecting the service without being held to term. A service provider will confirm this value to you at point of sale, if asked.

[bimsb6]

[quote=M4cruiser
they want another £7 per month for Fibre, which supposedly goes up to 50Mb. That'll be 2.5Mb then, at the same ratio.



[/quote]
It doesn't work like that .

[Blown2CV]

stemll said:

Blown2CV said:

weird thread. Surely the number speak for themselves? It's a lot faster. It costs more. there's not much else to it.

If you've not had FTTC rolled out in your area then you might not get it anytime soon. You almost definitely won't get FTTP through BT for a good while.

Not really that weird if you're looking at it from an "is it as reliable", "is it as fast as claimed", "does it suffer from more/fewer slowdowns" and so on?

yes but none of those questions were asked, were they?

it's no more or less reliable than ADSL+
They don't make speed claims for individuals, as it totally depends on the distance from your house to the cabinet. The range of speeds you may get are quite wide, but they won't continue with the install if they determine you will receive lower than 15Mbps.
not sure why the slowdowns question is any different from the reliability question

[clubsport78]

bimsb6 said:

[quote=M4cruiser
they want another £7 per month for Fibre, which supposedly goes up to 50Mb. That'll be 2.5Mb then, at the same ratio.

It doesn't work like that .

Bimsb6 is indeed correct.

If you are getting a slow speed on ADSL (which uses copper cabling all the way to the BT exchange, which is probably miles from your home), switching to Fibre (known as FTTC or Fibre to the Cabinet) will likely give you a decent speed gain and will be well worth the £7 extra a month. (Fibre runs between the Exchange and the green cabinet in/near your street and then it is still copper cable to the house). The Fibre cable is more resilient and can handle much better throughput / low latency over long distances, hence the speed improvements they are able to provide. This is especially true if you are located close to the green cabinet where the fibre terminates.

If you are still getting rubbish speed with FTTC on what BT state should give a 50Mb connection, then it is more likely that you have an internal cabling issue in your property. If it still exists when you connect the router to the Master Test socket then you have reason to complain to BT and an Openreach engineer should visit to run some tests/repair as required... If the issue goes away then there is an issue with the extension sockets in your house and this will need repairing or just make sure the router is in the master socket.

[Derek Smith]

I've had BT fibre for over a couple of years now. I had a problem once which was sorted overnight.

There is one big advantage for me. I back-up to the cloud, I upload 2x 1gig+ videos on a weekly basis and I run a couple of websites. The faster upload speed is the most noticeable improvement. It is much, much faster and doesn't drop out.