NAS Drive

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nyt

1,803 posts

149 months

Thursday 19th March 2015
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GuinnessMK said:
I have an old HP Proliant Server, which has 3 of these drives in it;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-DG0072BALVL-72-GB-Int...

Would they fit in one of these NAS devices?
All of the devices above take SATA drives not SAS drives like yours.

If you want to convert your HP server to a synology device you could investigate: http://www.xpenology.nl. No guarantees though.

rufmeister

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1,332 posts

121 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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Ordered the Synology and 2 x 3TB hard drives.

Not looking forward to setting it up, but will give it a bash.

cornet

1,469 posts

157 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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When you're setting this up ideally you want the disks in RAID 1 configuration. This will give you 3TB usable storage but if one disk fails you can just replace that without losing any data.

If you need all 6TB then use JBOD. This will mean if one disk dies you only lose data stored on that disk.

Do not not use RAID0. If you do this and one of your disks dies you lose ALL your data on there.





BRISTOL86

545 posts

163 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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rufmeister said:
Ordered the Synology and 2 x 3TB hard drives.

Not looking forward to setting it up, but will give it a bash.
If all you want is a NAS to back up/access files and images then the DS214play seems massively overpowered for your needs.

But give me a shout if you need any help setting it up, I've recently purchased one myself.

Jakdaw

291 posts

209 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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So cheap it's almost un-believable (but has been on the site for quite a while); worth buying even if you're going to dump the enclosure and just keep the drives:

http://www.ebuyer.com/491698-seagate-16tb-business...

rufmeister

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1,332 posts

121 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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DS215j is the model I went for, so should be suffice, probably even that is more than I need.

BGARK

5,493 posts

245 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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I have also just got the DS215j with a single 4TB HD. At the moment just trying to suss out how to set-up a few things. Got my movies and music on, and setup remote sharing so family can access from anywhere.

I am first doing this at home to familiarise myself with how it all works, if successful I will purchase a couple more for work, planning on completely replacing our office servers with NAS units. We only data share as everything else is done through google business.

I have also just bought this IP camera to test and link up as a permanent CCTV interface: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HIKVISION-CCTV-DS-2CD223...

Is anyone else using http://sabnzbd.org/ or similar software for NZB file downloading etc. Not clear how to set this up stand alone on the NAS?

onlynik

3,978 posts

192 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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BGARK said:
Is anyone else using http://sabnzbd.org/ or similar software for NZB file downloading etc. Not clear how to set this up stand alone on the NAS?
Step 1

Log into your NAS as administrator and go to Main Menu → Package Center → Settings and set Trust Level to Synology Inc. and trusted publishers.
Step 2

In the Package Sources tab, click Add, type SynoCommunity as Name and http://packages.synocommunity.com/ as Location and then press OK to validate.
Step 3

Go back to the Package Center and enjoy SynoCommunity's packages in the Community tab.

Install Python
Install SABnzbd


BGARK

5,493 posts

245 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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I will try that later, top man!

killsta

1,722 posts

227 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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daddy cool said:
Nope, its RAID5 that I set mine up as. Unless you are being geeky and pointing out that im saying 3TB of my total storage is "backup" when the proper word is "parity", or the fact that that parity is spread across all the drives, rather than just one specific one (though for the layman the difference is the same - you can lose one drive - any one - and your data is still safe)
RAID is not a backup. If you delete some files, they're gone. Your 3TB parity drive will not have a copy.

daddy cool

3,996 posts

228 months

Thursday 16th April 2015
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killsta said:
RAID is not a backup. If you delete some files, they're gone. Your 3TB parity drive will not have a copy.
If I delete some files, they're in the recycle bin...

rufmeister

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1,332 posts

121 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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So the fun begins.

Trying to set the Synology up.

On the PC, I have gone to "map network drive" and followed instructions as per Synology website.

When asked what network folder would you like to map, I entered:

\\DiskStation\Share1 as instructed.

Then next window pops up and asks to enter password, did that, and get "The specified network password is not correct"

So I try "Use another account" as the 1st one doesn't allow me to put a username in, it's already filled out.

So I try that and same again.

I have also tried changing DiskStation to the name I named my drive as I was asked to name it during the initial set up, but nothing changed,

Already tearing my hair out.

Any advice please?

ETA:

When I try my user name and password I get the message: "Windows cannot access \\DiskStation\Share1"

Edited by rufmeister on Saturday 18th April 10:59

ffc

606 posts

158 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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rufmeister said:
So the fun begins.

Trying to set the Synology up.

On the PC, I have gone to "map network drive" and followed instructions as per Synology website.

When asked what network folder would you like to map, I entered:

\\DiskStation\Share1 as instructed.

Then next window pops up and asks to enter password, did that, and get "The specified network password is not correct"

So I try "Use another account" as the 1st one doesn't allow me to put a username in, it's already filled out.

So I try that and same again.

I have also tried changing DiskStation to the name I named my drive as I was asked to name it during the initial set up, but nothing changed,

Already tearing my hair out.

Any advice please?

ETA:

When I try my user name and password I get the message: "Windows cannot access \\DiskStation\Share1"

Edited by rufmeister on Saturday 18th April 10:59
Can you browse the Synology structure? If you put \\x.x.x.x\ where the x's are the IP address of your synology box in the folder dialogue box does it list the available shared drives? It should do. Mine allows this on Windows and Mac

nyt

1,803 posts

149 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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rufmeister said:
So the fun begins.

Trying to set the Synology up.

On the PC, I have gone to "map network drive" and followed instructions as per Synology website.

When asked what network folder would you like to map, I entered:

\\DiskStation\Share1 as instructed.

Then next window pops up and asks to enter password, did that, and get "The specified network password is not correct"

So I try "Use another account" as the 1st one doesn't allow me to put a username in, it's already filled out.

So I try that and same again.

I have also tried changing DiskStation to the name I named my drive as I was asked to name it during the initial set up, but nothing changed,

Already tearing my hair out.

Any advice please?

ETA:

When I try my user name and password I get the message: "Windows cannot access \\DiskStation\Share1"

Edited by rufmeister on Saturday 18th April 10:59
Have you created a user and given that user access rights to the share.


if you prefer you can use the command line:

net use \\DiskStation\Share1 /user:XXXXXX

It'll then ask you for a password.


Just to be safe .. Is your NAS actually called DiskStation and have you set up a share called share1 ?

Can you ping the NAS: ping DiskStation



rufmeister

Original Poster:

1,332 posts

121 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Ok, tried again, but now I can't find the drive on iPad, Mac or PC using find.synology.com even though the drive is on and has Ethernet cable in.

Think I just need to get someone in to set it up as I really have no clue what I am doing.

trixical

1,054 posts

174 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Download synology assistant from the synology website & use that to map the drives on your computer.
I've got the ds214 play & am gradually working my way through setting up the various features, the tutorials on their website are a bit hit & miss but generally steer you in the right direction

BGARK

5,493 posts

245 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Question about RAID backups.

What is the point of having a RAID system if you end up backing up viruses?

The reason I mention this is that at work we just had a "crypto lock" virus on our server, with two hard drives it duplicated the virus. Just lucky I had a USB backup also connected which backed up through an encrypted process.

I understand about hard drives failing and agree useful for that purpose.

I am also thinking of backing up the NAS to the cloud, either google or dropbox, mainly because of the above mentioned issue.

Any thoughts on all this much appreciated.

George111

6,930 posts

250 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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BGARK said:
Question about RAID backups.

What is the point of having a RAID system if you end up backing up viruses?

The reason I mention this is that at work we just had a "crypto lock" virus on our server, with two hard drives it duplicated the virus. Just lucky I had a USB backup also connected which backed up through an encrypted process.

I understand about hard drives failing and agree useful for that purpose.

I am also thinking of backing up the NAS to the cloud, either google or dropbox, mainly because of the above mentioned issue.

Any thoughts on all this much appreciated.
Backup software is not xcopying a folder to another drive, it's creating an off-line copy of the data. Off-line means the data is not visible to the production servers unless you make it so. This prevents backups becoming corrupted or deleted. Buy some professional backup software which will offer compression and de-duplication and enable you to create a "sealed" backup with all your data safely protected from viruses, accidental deletion and tampering.

You can then chose to have it on hard drives in a server, copy it off-site or use a cloud system but this was one of the advantages of tape . . . backup to tape then move tape to physically separate location. Can't be infected with viruses etc.

Some backup software will use http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/ - this is a great tool to use, all your data is available going back months if you so wish so an accidental deletion or virus infection can be recovered from and it's cheap compared to most on-line systems. Bit of a cost to get the data back but hopefully you'll never have to smile

cornet

1,469 posts

157 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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BGARK said:
Question about RAID backups.

What is the point of having a RAID system if you end up backing up viruses?

The reason I mention this is that at work we just had a "crypto lock" virus on our server, with two hard drives it duplicated the virus. Just lucky I had a USB backup also connected which backed up through an encrypted process.

I understand about hard drives failing and agree useful for that purpose.

I am also thinking of backing up the NAS to the cloud, either google or dropbox, mainly because of the above mentioned issue.

Any thoughts on all this much appreciated.
RAID has 2 distinct uses depending on the raid level you choose.

1.) Data redundancy to protect against disk failure
2.) To increase performance

It has nothing to with backups what so ever.

I run RAID 1 on my desktop, NAS and servers.

Some people might think it's overkill for a desktop but

  • HDDs are relatively cheap
  • If a disk dies I don't hours restoring from backup (I work from home, while I do have a laptop I could use I prefer to work on my desktop).










BGARK

5,493 posts

245 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Ok understood, thanks!