iWatch

[ewenm]

ZesPak said:

ewenm said:

Why are those "pre-orders" and not just "orders"? Is there another step after you "pre-order" it to then "order" it? If I buy one well after the release date, am I "post-ordering" it? Silly terminology from the retail world.

Because it's cooler to say "I pre-ordered it" in the line at starbucks?

That would prompt a quizzical expression and the same question

[RobinBanks]

I always think that. Pre-order just seems to be an order before the product is ready to be delivered to you.

I expressed my intent to buy a pair of jeans in Debenhams the other day because they didn't have them in my size. The next day they arrived so I collected them.

Is that an order or pre-order?

Anyway, in response to the iWatch thing, I'm buying a new watch and having one serviced this week. Neither is an iWatch.

[leglessAlex]

ZesPak said:

Tycho said:

the verge review should be taken with a pinch of salt. It reads like a sponsored Apple advert. He says it is slow and the battery life is terrible, gives it 7 out of 10 which is less than the Moto 360 an then proclaims it the best smart watch out there???? I'd wait for more unbiased reviews if you are basing a purchase on a review.

Verge have always been VERY Apple minded, if they give an Apple product anything lower than an 8, be careful.

I just linked it as an example really, I had no idea about the bias The Verge have. I was surprised at the end score too, but I think reading the actual review tells you all you need to know i.e. it isn't very good. It figures that Apple aren't going to release the watch to people that will slate it for the first reviews!

I can't buy one anyway, it's faarrrr too expensive for a student and I don't have an iPhone.

I was also surprised to see the comments from the fashion people, considering Apple wants to pitch it as a device that's part technology and part fashion you'd think they'd have done more research? For all the Apple bias I'm told The Verge have they seemed to flat out say that it isn't a fashionable device at all.

[ZesPak]

I know a couple of tech journalists and Apple apparently is sort of the equivalent of Ferrari when it comes to journalists/reviewers. You get screened and if you point out the wrong things you simply don't get the next device before anyone else. Which would mean waiting for first deliveries, and have you review in "too late".

The "fashion" approach isn't a bad move I think but it doesn't really look all that good imho. The Moto 360 looks better in my eyes.
A smartwatch still looks a bit geeky but that's also because we're not really used to them yet, cell phones were considered geeky/yuppie at one point as well.

[RobinBanks]

I have no problem with the product and I think that it's a good idea for Apple.

But that reviewer at The Verge sounds such a wker.
"You have to carry your coffee cup in your other hand if you’re not interested in spilling on yourself. If you’re like me and you refuse to use both backpack straps so you can be a One Strap Cool Guy, this means your bag will sometimes fall off your shoulder while you screw with your smartwatch, and you will be a No Straps Smartwatch Guy "

Also, did anybody notice the Rolex Datejust lying on his desk next to his left wrist in the 'Business Time' section of the review there?
I would say that he only wanted to wear the iWatch on and off now that I've noticed that.

Edited by RobinBanks on Friday 10th April 16:13

[J8 SVG]

The Moto 360 looks better in my eyes..
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My friend has one and I commented on how much I preferred his watch strap to the actual watch which is very plain (and the non-round screen on a round face looks stupid with anything but a black background)

Turns out the strap was a £5 buy from ebay... oops

[Don]

leglessAlex said:

I don't have an iPhone.

The Watch is useless without an iPhone. It is a companion device. Apple's market is therefore iPhone owners. Why anyone without an iPhone would contemplate buying one I have no idea - perhaps because they are about to buy an iPhone? Can't think of any other reason...

If you have an Android or Windows phone there are a host of smartwatches to choose from - none of them an Apple Watch. I have to say I recommend the Pebble. Not too pricey and quite functional. I've enjoyed mine.

[Zad]

I suspect if you order something that doesn't exist, then they can't take any money. But if you pre-order then they can. Maybe. Or maybe it is just like something that has been pre-prepared, the marketing people got hold of the word and just won't let go because it appeals to the hipsters who can claim they were there not before it was a thing, but before before it was a thing.

[silverous]

Can you order one and give it back if you don't get on with it ? I thought Apple had that policy on iphone/ipad even in store so mail order I would think distance selling etc. means you can do that. I am concerned about speed and battery, but also the concept of something constantly buzzing on my wrist and distracting me from meetings etc. - at least I can leave a phone in my pocket. I think i'll be waiting and seeing how they are rather than being early adopter.

[FourWheelDrift]

J8 SVG said:

Zespak said:

The Moto 360 looks better in my eyes..

My friend has one and I commented on how much I preferred his watch strap to the actual watch which is very plain (and the non-round screen on a round face looks stupid with anything but a black background)

Turns out the strap was a £5 buy from ebay... oops

Isn't the Moto 360 rather like wearing an Ice Hockey Puck on your wrist as in it's rather chunky?

[Don]

silverous said:

Can you order one and give it back if you don't get on with it ? I thought Apple had that policy on iphone/ipad even in store so mail order I would think distance selling etc. means you can do that. I am concerned about speed and battery, but also the concept of something constantly buzzing on my wrist and distracting me from meetings etc. - at least I can leave a phone in my pocket. I think i'll be waiting and seeing how they are rather than being early adopter.

You do need to consider your notifications and whether or not you want the Watch to report all of them to you. But this is the same set of choices you make on your phone. As I said before if you get hundreds of emails a day and your watch buzzes with every one you'll soon tire of it. There again if you get hundreds of emails a day you can't read them anyway...

Any smartwatch can aid the triage of notifications. It's the main thing they do. But you still have to manage your Inboxes sensibly yourself.

[leglessAlex]

Don said:

The Watch is useless without an iPhone. It is a companion device. Apple's market is therefore iPhone owners. Why anyone without an iPhone would contemplate buying one I have no idea - perhaps because they are about to buy an iPhone? Can't think of any other reason...

If you have an Android or Windows phone there are a host of smartwatches to choose from - none of them an Apple Watch. I have to say I recommend the Pebble. Not too pricey and quite functional. I've enjoyed mine.

That is, of course, entirely accurate but I haven't seen anyone talk about getting one if they don't have an iPhone?

I have no desire to own a smart watch for a couple of years at least personally, I like my traditional watches too much. I am very interested in the technology and where it's going to go though.

[LarryLamb]

mikef said:

Richyvrlimited said:

Oh my lord, that website is horrific.

It's clearly designed for visitors with a touch screen monitor and gaming graphics card
- Win 7 laptop with IE 8 - utterly broken
- Win 7 laptop with Chrome - awkward
- Win 8 with IE11, touchscreen and GTX 970 graphics card - actually rather cool
- iPad air 2 - functionally it works but not responsive

Apple taking pre-orders today: http://store.apple.com/uk/watch

Much cheaper on the US store, will probably wait until after the initial rush and walk into an Apple Store when I'm in the States

Interesting, £299 inc VAT UK price, $349 + 8.75% sales tax, US (CA) so around £253 which is worth saving if you are in the US! Even better if you can get from a state with no sales tax (like Oregon)

Edited by LarryLamb on Friday 10th April 20:48

[jimmyjimjim]

mikef said:

Richyvrlimited said:

Oh my lord, that website is horrific.

It's clearly designed for visitors with a touch screen monitor and gaming graphics card
- Win 7 laptop with IE 8 - utterly broken
- Win 7 laptop with Chrome - awkward
- Win 8 with IE11, touchscreen and GTX 970 graphics card - actually rather cool
- iPad air 2 - functionally it works but not responsive

- Win 7 desktop with Chrome, 30" screen, GTX 670 - actually still rather annoying, would rather have read the text and not be distracted.

[mikef]

Although within a couple of hours of starting to take orders the delivery date went out by 2 months, even for the 10 grand jobs, so not expecting to get one retail any time soon

[Salesy]

I placed my order at 8.08 this morning and have a 4-6 week delivery timescale.
Over the past 2 weeks i have ordered quite a bit of Apple stuff for clients and have had expected delivery dates ranging from 4-10 days. Every time items were delivered in 2, fantastic service.

I am a bit of an Apple fanboy after converting from a windows PC, plus what reminded me why i converted happened to a mate of mine this week. CRYPTOWALL infected his PC and deleted all of his pictures, music and documents (none of which were backed up). I have managed to retrieve some of his files from a little trick i learnt a few years ago but at least 50-60% have been lost.

Apple Macs don't suffer from this kind of st that happens to PC's.

For PC users please make sure you have protection and full backups because i don't even wish this to happen to my worst enemy.

[Podie]

Salesy said:

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Apple Macs don't suffer from this kind of st that happens to PC's.

PCs have traditionally had a greater market share, and enterprises have tended to use them. Targets are changing and the Mac market is growing and has the perception they are immune - which makes it an easier target.

Things are changing, do not believe Macs are immune. WireLurker caught out many people less than 6 months ago.

[Salesy]

Podie said:

Salesy said:

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Apple Macs don't suffer from this kind of st that happens to PC's.

PCs have traditionally had a greater market share, and enterprises have tended to use them. Targets are changing and the Mac market is growing and has the perception they are immune - which makes it an easier target.

Things are changing, do not believe Macs are immune. WireLurker caught out many people less than 6 months ago.

I agree with you but i didn't say Macs were immune, they just don't have the st that PC's have. How many people run antivirus on their Mac? How many viruses are active for PC's at any given moment?

Maybe i should be more vigilant and get some protection for my Mac, but all i can say and from my own personal experience PC's suffer.

[Podie]

Salesy said:

Podie said:

Salesy said:

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Apple Macs don't suffer from this kind of st that happens to PC's.

PCs have traditionally had a greater market share, and enterprises have tended to use them. Targets are changing and the Mac market is growing and has the perception they are immune - which makes it an easier target.

Things are changing, do not believe Macs are immune. WireLurker caught out many people less than 6 months ago.

I agree with you but i didn't say Macs were immune, they just don't have the st that PC's have. How many people run antivirus on their Mac? How many viruses are active for PC's at any given moment?

Maybe i should be more vigilant and get some protection for my Mac, but all i can say and from my own personal experience PC's suffer.

Immune was the wrong term - but generally people do have this view.

[RobinBanks]

jimmyjimjim said:

mikef said:

Richyvrlimited said:

Oh my lord, that website is horrific.

It's clearly designed for visitors with a touch screen monitor and gaming graphics card
- Win 7 laptop with IE 8 - utterly broken
- Win 7 laptop with Chrome - awkward
- Win 8 with IE11, touchscreen and GTX 970 graphics card - actually rather cool
- iPad air 2 - functionally it works but not responsive

- Win 7 desktop with Chrome, 30" screen, GTX 670 - actually still rather annoying, would rather have read the text and not be distracted.

Win 7 laptop, Firefox. Pentium Dual Core and 4GB RAM. It ran absolutely fine.
It was just arty for the sake of being arty which made it st.