Poll: iWatch
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Some news outlets are claiming the Watch has now 'sold out' but in reality it just means that if you order now it will be well into June by the time it arrives.
If you look on Ebay it is filled with auctions for people selling their already placed orders at inflated prices, and people are bidding.
If you look on Ebay it is filled with auctions for people selling their already placed orders at inflated prices, and people are bidding.
Salesy said:
Apple Macs don't suffer from this kind of s
t that happens to PC's.
No offence but that's patently bt that happens to PC's.ks. I get spinning beachballs (equivalent to Windows locking up) as often as I do with Windows, and this is on a top spec iMac. Sometimes I've even had to boot into the Mac equivalent of safe mode and "repair permissions".
It's an Intel processor running third party software (most of the time), it's as likely to crash under the same conditions as any other system running the same.
The real difference imo is that OSX hides that complexity and debugging capabilities away. The Mac equivalent of Event Viewer might as well be in Japanese for all the sense it makes to anyone not intimately familiar with *nix syslog formats. Likewise there is no real explanation of why you might need to "Fix Disk Permissions" to cure some random issue you've encountered. It feels more like a whispered solution - "Macs crash yo, but don't tell anyone".
Don't take my word for it - check the official Mac forums for people experiencing various issues every day.
I like Apple kit but I'm under no illusions as to the fact they are ultimately computers in the same way as Windows based machines are. Apple does an amazing job of convincing people that they "just work", though.
ps. I run antivirus on my Macs.
Durzel said:
No offence but that's patently bks.
I get spinning beachballs (equivalent to Windows locking up) as often as I do with Windows, and this is on a top spec iMac. Sometimes I've even had to boot into the Mac equivalent of safe mode and "repair permissions".
It's an Intel processor running third party software (most of the time), it's as likely to crash under the same conditions as any other system running the same.
The real difference imo is that OSX hides that complexity and debugging capabilities away. The Mac equivalent of Event Viewer might as well be in Japanese for all the sense it makes to anyone not intimately familiar with *nix syslog formats. Likewise there is no real explanation of why you might need to "Fix Disk Permissions" to cure some random issue you've encountered. It feels more like a whispered solution - "Macs crash yo, but don't tell anyone".
Don't take my word for it - check the official Mac forums for people experiencing various issues every day.
I like Apple kit but I'm under no illusions as to the fact they are ultimately computers in the same way as Windows based machines are. Apple does an amazing job of convincing people that they "just work", though.
ps. I run antivirus on my Macs.
In my opinion i have found my Macbook pro far far far more reliable than any PC i have ever owned. Since 2000 i have owned 8 Windows laptops, all good spec and all from the big brand boys. Dell, IBM, HP and Lenovo. Each one has lasted no more than 18 months. I have even rebuilt a couple with fresh installs of windows and they never feel as fast or reliable. In 2012 i bit the bullet and purchase a Macbook pro. Medium spec nothing too flash, and all i can say is wow. On only one occasion have i encountered a spinning beach ball and been able to do nothing. This was down to me trying to install software and video edit at the same time, obviously not very wise....... Again I'm not saying Macs are infallible, but for me they are just better in every way.ks. I get spinning beachballs (equivalent to Windows locking up) as often as I do with Windows, and this is on a top spec iMac. Sometimes I've even had to boot into the Mac equivalent of safe mode and "repair permissions".
It's an Intel processor running third party software (most of the time), it's as likely to crash under the same conditions as any other system running the same.
The real difference imo is that OSX hides that complexity and debugging capabilities away. The Mac equivalent of Event Viewer might as well be in Japanese for all the sense it makes to anyone not intimately familiar with *nix syslog formats. Likewise there is no real explanation of why you might need to "Fix Disk Permissions" to cure some random issue you've encountered. It feels more like a whispered solution - "Macs crash yo, but don't tell anyone".
Don't take my word for it - check the official Mac forums for people experiencing various issues every day.
I like Apple kit but I'm under no illusions as to the fact they are ultimately computers in the same way as Windows based machines are. Apple does an amazing job of convincing people that they "just work", though.
ps. I run antivirus on my Macs.
For the record, i don't use mine as a gaming machine as i believe the PC's are better...
Over 15 years with windows and had some major grief, 3years with Mac and never once thought there was a problem. Maybe I'm just lucky.
Fair dos, I can't argue with your own personal experiences.
I use an iMac at work (by choice) and there probably isn't a week that goes by that I don't have minor issues like it inexplicably taking longer to boot, or Finder not responding, spinning beach balls or whatever. Granted mine is part of a Windows domain so could be affected adversely by that, but even so.
I agree on the whole that as a consistent experience it's tough to beat.
I use an iMac at work (by choice) and there probably isn't a week that goes by that I don't have minor issues like it inexplicably taking longer to boot, or Finder not responding, spinning beach balls or whatever. Granted mine is part of a Windows domain so could be affected adversely by that, but even so.
I agree on the whole that as a consistent experience it's tough to beat.
Durzel said:
I use an iMac at work (by choice) and there probably isn't a week that goes by that I don't have minor issues like it inexplicably taking longer to boot, or Finder not responding, spinning beach balls or whatever.
Finder falling over is something I have only seen a few times in many years. In my case it was a stretched lead on my SSD boot disk that caused a OS fail.Have you checked disk permissions, verified the disk and used something like Onyx to run maintenance?
Durzel said:
I like Apple kit but I'm under no illusions as to the fact they are ultimately computers in the same way as Windows based machines are. Apple does an amazing job of convincing people that they "just work", though.
ps. I run antivirus on my Macs.
I couldn't agree more. I love my Macs but they're just (nice) computers. I run Sophos anti-virus and take care in the same way I would with a PC.ps. I run antivirus on my Macs.
Vaud said:
Have you checked disk permissions, verified the disk and used something like Onyx to run maintenance?
Done all of the above, sadly to no avail. Haven't run Onyx for a while though so thanks got reminding me 
The problems aren't consistent really, or even easily reproducible. As said it happens with about the same consistency as problems on Windows, in my experience.
I can only speak from my own experience, but having a Mac has changed my my for the better where home computing is concerned.
I've had PC's since the start of the 90's and switched to a MacBook Pro about 4 years ago, and it's honestly been one of the best things I've ever done.
For 20 years I suffered PC's that got viruses, crashed, 'blue screen of death', safe mode, problems with the BIOS (whatever the hell that is), error messages that pop up and mean nothing, programs crashing, windows unable to boot... You name it.
In the 4+ years of heavy use I have thrown at the MacBook, the worst that's ever happened is I've had the spinning beachball a few times.
I'm not into IT at all, I just want a computer to simply work like a TV or a Washing machine. And that, in my experience anyway, is what Apple does, it turns something frustrating and complex into White Goods, so that people like me and my 64 year old dad can simply use them without having to learn what the hell a 'Driver' or a 'firewall' is.
I've had PC's since the start of the 90's and switched to a MacBook Pro about 4 years ago, and it's honestly been one of the best things I've ever done.
For 20 years I suffered PC's that got viruses, crashed, 'blue screen of death', safe mode, problems with the BIOS (whatever the hell that is), error messages that pop up and mean nothing, programs crashing, windows unable to boot... You name it.
In the 4+ years of heavy use I have thrown at the MacBook, the worst that's ever happened is I've had the spinning beachball a few times.
I'm not into IT at all, I just want a computer to simply work like a TV or a Washing machine. And that, in my experience anyway, is what Apple does, it turns something frustrating and complex into White Goods, so that people like me and my 64 year old dad can simply use them without having to learn what the hell a 'Driver' or a 'firewall' is.
Managed to have a play with one yesterday at the Apple Store here in Austin. liked it a lot more than I was expecting and glad I ordered on Fri. Just added the silver multilink bracelet to my order, that really is a work of art!
Was very disappointed in th level of knowledge of the 'genius' experts in there. I knew far more about the flipp'n thing that they did!! Even showed one how easy it is to adjust the links in the bracelet.
Was very disappointed in th level of knowledge of the 'genius' experts in there. I knew far more about the flipp'n thing that they did!! Even showed one how easy it is to adjust the links in the bracelet.
Popped into Apple today to have a look and I have to say it's a pretty thing but honestly they were clutching at straws when trying to sell its virtues to me. It really serves no purpose over what the phone or a vastly cheaper and more advanced sports band would give.
It's the Emperor's new clothes to me.
It's the Emperor's new clothes to me.
Honestly, I'm a proper Apple fanboy but I'm struggling with the watch now having been fairly in favor of it before.
I've pre-ordered one because I want it for fitness tracking, a couple of other things and also to play around with from a developer point of view, but it doesn't feel as finished and polished as I was expecting.
It's still pretty good, certainly no worse than any of the other offerings I've played with (most of them), but it's not quite what I was hoping yet. Give it a while to get to maturity though and I think it'll be great - once the developers from 3rd parties start rolling out apps and integration for it it'll be good.
I've pre-ordered one because I want it for fitness tracking, a couple of other things and also to play around with from a developer point of view, but it doesn't feel as finished and polished as I was expecting.
It's still pretty good, certainly no worse than any of the other offerings I've played with (most of them), but it's not quite what I was hoping yet. Give it a while to get to maturity though and I think it'll be great - once the developers from 3rd parties start rolling out apps and integration for it it'll be good.
ash73 said:
Esseesse said:
I will buy the Apple Watch version 3 when it has a built-in GPS, and storage and bluetooth audio for music.
Why? Your phone does all that. Wireless recharging, a better battery and more efficient power management is probably where it's at.Esseesse said:
ash73 said:
Esseesse said:
I will buy the Apple Watch version 3 when it has a built-in GPS, and storage and bluetooth audio for music.
Why? Your phone does all that. Wireless recharging, a better battery and more efficient power management is probably where it's at.Gassing Station | Computers, Gadgets & Stuff | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff