The New Macbook
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
Why? why? why? do people allow themselves to be stiffed by Apple?
Apple...ripping you off since the last century and still ripping you off and you love it.
Self flagellation rules ok...
Because the OS is far better than windows. Also I have a mac mini that is 10 years old. It still runs better than more modern windows machines. I would say it's certainly paid for itself many times over. Apple...ripping you off since the last century and still ripping you off and you love it.
Self flagellation rules ok...
ecsrobin said:
Because the OS is far better than windows. Also I have a mac mini that is 10 years old. It still runs better than more modern windows machines. I would say it's certainly paid for itself many times over.
I have an absolutely maxed out 2006 Mac Mini that has been modded to the limit of what hardware it will take.It is still s
t at running Mountain Lion, and won't run anything past that. It will run Snow Leopard super-quick, but the OS itself is obsolete now and no new software will run on it.It is in no way as fast, or compatible with modern software as my £450 Dell PC I bought 3.5 years ago.
If in fact your Mac Mini is actually ten years old it will be a G4 model, which was obsolete around a year after it was made. And I should know, I've been struggling with my G4 Powerbook since then. I eventually gave up in 2009 and bought a cheap Dell laptop (£300) which, with the addition of a £100 SSD, is still going strong on Windows 7 now. I try to use my G4 for everything I can, but it's just not as useful with modern apps as a Windows 7 machine. Even a Vista one (when you know how to configure it properly) is probably better.
mybrainhurts said:
Why? why? why? do people allow themselves to be stiffed by Apple?
Apple...ripping you off since the last century and still ripping you off and you love it.
Self flagellation rules ok...
I reckon it's all about choosing which Apple products to buy. You're always going to be paying a bit extra but depending on what you buy it often isn't that much more. An equivalent, Windows based laptop to the rMBP is going to be more or less the same money and the iPad is pretty competitive too if you compare it to Samsung offerings.Apple...ripping you off since the last century and still ripping you off and you love it.
Self flagellation rules ok...
For lots of people the premium you often pay for Apple products is worth it for the OS alone, or just for the fact they look a lot nicer than the competition.
I don't have an iPhone as I can't justify the premium over an Android device and I wouldn't buy a MacBook as again, I can't justify the cost. Lots of people can and will though!
Blown2CV said:
mybrainhurts said:
Why? why? why? do people allow themselves to be stiffed by Apple?
Apple...ripping you off since the last century and still ripping you off and you love it.
Self flagellation rules ok...
windows is sApple...ripping you off since the last century and still ripping you off and you love it.
Self flagellation rules ok...
t, and the laptops which runs windows are too. Pretty simple really.I moved from Win to Mac about 18 months ago;
had a reasonably high end Dell machine (for work) which was about £1500 new and after 18 months of daily work use started to die, in all senses.
So I proved up a replacement - the mbp came in same price for the same spec, but with the better screen
So I bought a MacBook Pro yes it was 1499 with upgraded memory & SSD but hell does it shift - and still does 18 months from new - not a single crash, instant power up, runs everything (microshaft office & project)
I've been using a 'corporate' lenovo also love the past 18 months - and I have come so close to pushing it in the canal next to work so many times... Win 7 32 bit 2G ram - pathetic heap of ste
anyway, I digress - VFM - I'd go with Mac every time - plus the iOS integration is seamless - password sharing etc we're rapidly becoming an apple household....
had a reasonably high end Dell machine (for work) which was about £1500 new and after 18 months of daily work use started to die, in all senses.
So I proved up a replacement - the mbp came in same price for the same spec, but with the better screen
So I bought a MacBook Pro yes it was 1499 with upgraded memory & SSD but hell does it shift - and still does 18 months from new - not a single crash, instant power up, runs everything (microshaft office & project)
I've been using a 'corporate' lenovo also love the past 18 months - and I have come so close to pushing it in the canal next to work so many times... Win 7 32 bit 2G ram - pathetic heap of s
teanyway, I digress - VFM - I'd go with Mac every time - plus the iOS integration is seamless - password sharing etc we're rapidly becoming an apple household....
Apple computers will never appeal to people who look at spec sheets and prices. Those who do get it, understand and appreciate the value in things like the build quality, the integration with other devices, the battery life the quick wake up etc etc.
Those who don't get it it never will, often until they are "forced" to use one.
On paper the HP laptop on my desk is higher spec and better value than the 15" MBPR next to it. The HP is newer, and supposedly faster but doesn't seem so in use. It crashes, it takes ages to wake up, the battery is crap, and it bends when you pick it up so the touch button to disable wifi activates itself. I would select the Mac in preference every day of the week.
My colleague doesn't like Macs, and loves the HP, compared to his 18 month old Dell it's fast, and reliable - compared the the Mac its a piece of crap.
It's like trying to explain to my wife why listening to music through her phone is stupid when there is a very good speaker setup in the room - she will just never get it.
Those who don't get it it never will, often until they are "forced" to use one.
On paper the HP laptop on my desk is higher spec and better value than the 15" MBPR next to it. The HP is newer, and supposedly faster but doesn't seem so in use. It crashes, it takes ages to wake up, the battery is crap, and it bends when you pick it up so the touch button to disable wifi activates itself. I would select the Mac in preference every day of the week.
My colleague doesn't like Macs, and loves the HP, compared to his 18 month old Dell it's fast, and reliable - compared the the Mac its a piece of crap.
It's like trying to explain to my wife why listening to music through her phone is stupid when there is a very good speaker setup in the room - she will just never get it.
red997 said:
...plus the iOS integration is seamless...
Slick integration can be very dangerous. A few weeks ago a friend fell sleep watching some US TV on his iPad. His broadband connection went down and the iPad started using the 4G connection on his iPhone. His phone bill was £70 more than it should have been that month.2008 Mac Pro, happily running Yosemite - spec them well and they generally last many years.
I had/have a Mid-2009 MacBook Air, bought for travelling. I knew it's shortcomings when I bought it, and it served me perfectly well for all my standard business stuff. It's been replaced by a 2013 Air - specced well, and despite having a coffee spill close shave, I expect it to last many years too. Four plus years is pretty good IMO, the Mac Pro at seven is exceptional, but the nature of the operating system means that cruft generally doesn't bugger things up, or is easy to remedy.
As for the the New MacBook - it's simply leading the way in which Apple will develop their laptop range. More powerful versions will appear. For now there is plenty of choice with other models if it doesn't suit.
I would love a Retina display, but accept that in this current Air form factor, battery life would probably be too impacted. Come to think of it, I wish my Mac Pro would develop an unfixable fault, forcing me to buy a Retina 27" iMac....
I had/have a Mid-2009 MacBook Air, bought for travelling. I knew it's shortcomings when I bought it, and it served me perfectly well for all my standard business stuff. It's been replaced by a 2013 Air - specced well, and despite having a coffee spill close shave, I expect it to last many years too. Four plus years is pretty good IMO, the Mac Pro at seven is exceptional, but the nature of the operating system means that cruft generally doesn't bugger things up, or is easy to remedy.
As for the the New MacBook - it's simply leading the way in which Apple will develop their laptop range. More powerful versions will appear. For now there is plenty of choice with other models if it doesn't suit.
I would love a Retina display, but accept that in this current Air form factor, battery life would probably be too impacted. Come to think of it, I wish my Mac Pro would develop an unfixable fault, forcing me to buy a Retina 27" iMac....
talkssense said:
Apple computers will never appeal to people who look at spec sheets and prices. Those who do get it, understand and appreciate the value in things like the build quality, the integration with other devices, the battery life the quick wake up etc etc.
Those who don't get it it never will, often until they are "forced" to use one.
On paper the HP laptop on my desk is higher spec and better value than the 15" MBPR next to it. The HP is newer, and supposedly faster but doesn't seem so in use. It crashes, it takes ages to wake up, the battery is crap, and it bends when you pick it up so the touch button to disable wifi activates itself. I would select the Mac in preference every day of the week.
My colleague doesn't like Macs, and loves the HP, compared to his 18 month old Dell it's fast, and reliable - compared the the Mac its a piece of crap.
It's like trying to explain to my wife why listening to music through her phone is stupid when there is a very good speaker setup in the room - she will just never get it.
You do don't you?Those who don't get it it never will, often until they are "forced" to use one.
On paper the HP laptop on my desk is higher spec and better value than the 15" MBPR next to it. The HP is newer, and supposedly faster but doesn't seem so in use. It crashes, it takes ages to wake up, the battery is crap, and it bends when you pick it up so the touch button to disable wifi activates itself. I would select the Mac in preference every day of the week.
My colleague doesn't like Macs, and loves the HP, compared to his 18 month old Dell it's fast, and reliable - compared the the Mac its a piece of crap.
It's like trying to explain to my wife why listening to music through her phone is stupid when there is a very good speaker setup in the room - she will just never get it.
red997 said:
I moved from Win to Mac about 18 months ago;
had a reasonably high end Dell machine (for work) which was about £1500 new and after 18 months of daily work use started to die, in all senses.
So I proved up a replacement - the mbp came in same price for the same spec, but with the better screen
So I bought a MacBook Pro yes it was 1499 with upgraded memory & SSD but hell does it shift - and still does 18 months from new - not a single crash, instant power up, runs everything (microshaft office & project)
I've been using a 'corporate' lenovo also love the past 18 months - and I have come so close to pushing it in the canal next to work so many times... Win 7 32 bit 2G ram - pathetic heap of ste
anyway, I digress - VFM - I'd go with Mac every time - plus the iOS integration is seamless - password sharing etc we're rapidly becoming an apple household....
Pretty much identical to my experience - other than now becoming a 100% Apple household.had a reasonably high end Dell machine (for work) which was about £1500 new and after 18 months of daily work use started to die, in all senses.
So I proved up a replacement - the mbp came in same price for the same spec, but with the better screen
So I bought a MacBook Pro yes it was 1499 with upgraded memory & SSD but hell does it shift - and still does 18 months from new - not a single crash, instant power up, runs everything (microshaft office & project)
I've been using a 'corporate' lenovo also love the past 18 months - and I have come so close to pushing it in the canal next to work so many times... Win 7 32 bit 2G ram - pathetic heap of s
teanyway, I digress - VFM - I'd go with Mac every time - plus the iOS integration is seamless - password sharing etc we're rapidly becoming an apple household....
red997 said:
I moved from Win to Mac about 18 months ago;
had a reasonably high end Dell machine (for work) which was about £1500 new and after 18 months of daily work use started to die, in all senses.
So I proved up a replacement - the mbp came in same price for the same spec, but with the better screen
So I bought a MacBook Pro yes it was 1499 with upgraded memory & SSD but hell does it shift - and still does 18 months from new - not a single crash, instant power up, runs everything (microshaft office & project)
I've been using a 'corporate' lenovo also love the past 18 months - and I have come so close to pushing it in the canal next to work so many times... Win 7 32 bit 2G ram - pathetic heap of ste
anyway, I digress - VFM - I'd go with Mac every time - plus the iOS integration is seamless - password sharing etc we're rapidly becoming an apple household....
Try an Asus machine. had a reasonably high end Dell machine (for work) which was about £1500 new and after 18 months of daily work use started to die, in all senses.
So I proved up a replacement - the mbp came in same price for the same spec, but with the better screen
So I bought a MacBook Pro yes it was 1499 with upgraded memory & SSD but hell does it shift - and still does 18 months from new - not a single crash, instant power up, runs everything (microshaft office & project)
I've been using a 'corporate' lenovo also love the past 18 months - and I have come so close to pushing it in the canal next to work so many times... Win 7 32 bit 2G ram - pathetic heap of s
teanyway, I digress - VFM - I'd go with Mac every time - plus the iOS integration is seamless - password sharing etc we're rapidly becoming an apple household....
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