Windows 10 upgrade notification
Discussion
mattley said:
Getragdogleg said:
What is the simplest way to keep it off my machine ? there are lots of Google suggestions but I need a solution that has been tried and works.
http://www.grc.com/never10But get over yourself and give it a go, Windows 10's OK.
Cheers for the link !
I've been watching a few Win 7 dev laptops popping up with the new 'scheduled update' thing, takes about 4 clicks to kill it and they don't make it obvious where to start from with a link embedded into some pretty small text.
Registries now patched and updates uninstalled to kill off GWX, hadn't thought these machines would be a problem but background automatic updates created one!
If I wanted Windows 10 I'd have it, I shouldn't have to waste my time actively stopping it from installing any place it can. That's well past the point of acceptability.
Registries now patched and updates uninstalled to kill off GWX, hadn't thought these machines would be a problem but background automatic updates created one!
If I wanted Windows 10 I'd have it, I shouldn't have to waste my time actively stopping it from installing any place it can. That's well past the point of acceptability.
We have a Bosch KTS diagnostic machine at work:
Got to work Monday morning to find it was still shutting down from Saturday. Around lunchtime it rebooted to a 'Your computer is being upgraded please wait' message. Went home at 6 with progress at 2% came to work yesterday it was at 6%. Left work yesterday it was at 25%. This morning it had finished and there was a 'welcome to windows 10' page, click next to continue. That's when the problems started. First off this is a touch screen and the mouse cursor was moving opposite to the stylus and I would have needed to drag the stylus off the screen to get the cursor on the next button. Oh well I'll use the on screen keyboard instead. Nope, none of the external buttons work. Anyone got a usb mouse in their toolbox? Nope, didn't think so. Went home at luchtime grabbed mine, back to work plugged it in... it worked. Great, clicked next, hang on, whats this about a Cortina? Oh wait Cortana. She's there for help. Hmm ok, maybe she can tell my this bloody 3 series keeps going into limp mode? A few more pages later and an hour of 'configuring your personal settings' I'm at the desktop but it, me, my boss and his customers ain't happy. Bosch software won't launch, can't bluetooth to the module and, according to the icon in control panel, touchscreen is not installed. Finally found a settings page to roll back to windows 7 and have left it doing something. This has been a major pain in the rectum and has cost god knows what in time and money. Microsoft are a bunch of absolute
s. Oh and to top it off I left my fking mouse at work so no fking War Thunder
Got to work Monday morning to find it was still shutting down from Saturday. Around lunchtime it rebooted to a 'Your computer is being upgraded please wait' message. Went home at 6 with progress at 2% came to work yesterday it was at 6%. Left work yesterday it was at 25%. This morning it had finished and there was a 'welcome to windows 10' page, click next to continue. That's when the problems started. First off this is a touch screen and the mouse cursor was moving opposite to the stylus and I would have needed to drag the stylus off the screen to get the cursor on the next button. Oh well I'll use the on screen keyboard instead. Nope, none of the external buttons work. Anyone got a usb mouse in their toolbox? Nope, didn't think so. Went home at luchtime grabbed mine, back to work plugged it in... it worked. Great, clicked next, hang on, whats this about a Cortina? Oh wait Cortana. She's there for help. Hmm ok, maybe she can tell my this bloody 3 series keeps going into limp mode? A few more pages later and an hour of 'configuring your personal settings' I'm at the desktop but it, me, my boss and his customers ain't happy. Bosch software won't launch, can't bluetooth to the module and, according to the icon in control panel, touchscreen is not installed. Finally found a settings page to roll back to windows 7 and have left it doing something. This has been a major pain in the rectum and has cost god knows what in time and money. Microsoft are a bunch of absolute
s. Oh and to top it off I left my fking mouse at work so no fking War ThunderJonesy23 said:
If I wanted Windows 10 I'd have it, I shouldn't have to waste my time actively stopping it from installing any place it can. That's well past the point of acceptability.
I think this is the biggest issue for me. If it was just a free upgrade I'm sure I'd have probably tried it already. Even if it wasn't, I'd probably have bought a new PC with it. The fact that I have had to spend time and download aftermarket programs made by God-knows-who in order to stop Microsoft hijacking my security updates in order to wipe my operating system makes me instantly distrustful of their motives and angry at the time they've cost me.
Windows 7 is supported until 2020, still a while yet so I'd imagine most Windows 7 machines (which would be pushing 10+ years old) would be too slow/knackered by then...
To get rid of the Windows 10 nag I think the cleanest way is to simply remove the Windows update that includes it and tell Windows Update to hide it (so it won't install again), that's what I've done on my W8 machines.
http://superuser.com/questions/922068/how-to-disab...
To get rid of the Windows 10 nag I think the cleanest way is to simply remove the Windows update that includes it and tell Windows Update to hide it (so it won't install again), that's what I've done on my W8 machines.
http://superuser.com/questions/922068/how-to-disab...
Edited by MarkRSi on Thursday 26th May 00:11
mattley said:
But get over yourself and give it a go, Windows 10's OK.
Unless you use Windows MediaCentre, or VirtualXP mode, or have a bunch of hardware that really, REALLY, doesn't play nicely with whatever MS hve done under to hood to change how hardware interacts with the OS, or you're a desktop user who prefers their OS UI to be mouse/keyboard-centric and not hobbled with design features intended solely to enable use of touch screens that you don't and never will have on the PC in front of you, or you're a desktop user who likes to have slightly more than the square root of effall control over what their desktop looks like with regards colours, fonts, border widths etc. etc.Having had to "upgrade" my work PC to 10 (i.e. accepting the 10 update on an existing fully functional 7 box, as opposed to being given a completely new PC with 10 already installed OOB) as part of the corporate rollout, I'm finding on a daily basis stuff that no longer works properly. In some cases its so blatant that I know full well not to even bother trying it any more, and have gone in search of alternatives (which I shouldn't have had to do, if all the crap that MS told us about the 7->10 migration path was true, which it clearly effing isn't). In other cases though the problems are more subtle - the odd software failure every now and again, or a less-used bit of functionality that no longer works at all although the rest of the application is still OK - and at best these are just inconveniences but at worst they can cause real productivity blocks, and when you're using some fairly esoteric bits of software that don't have readily available alternatives (or any alternatives full stop) then it's a complete embuggerance.
And even if updating to 10 had simply left me with a system that was exactly as stable and reliable as it had always been running 7 (and that was pretty damned stable/reliable in spite of all the weird and wonderful stuff I was running on it, so I really don't see how 10 could be an improvement here), the rather significant changes in the UI - none of which I'm in favour of, I personally think 10 in its default state is the ugliest UI I've had the misfortune of needing to use, and as noted above MS have now taken away so many of the customisation options we used to have that it's impossible to get it looking even halfway respectable, let alone being able to bring it back to looking like the smart, tidy, making optimal use of every pixel available to it, desktop-centric UI I want to be using every day.
And yes, the whole underhand, increasingly malware-esque nature of the GWX programme has left me with an exceedingly low opinion of everyone in MS in any way associated with the programme. Back in the early days when it was just a simple "hey, we're going to release the upgrade to 10 for free, would you like to try it when it's available?" question, I was all in favour. But with each successive iteration of GWX making it ever clearer that, as far as MS are concerned, there was never any question about it, it's painted a very dark picture of MS in the minds of a hell of a lot of people who understand what the implications are of what they've done. Silently downloading multi-GBs worth of 10 update files even before people have said yes to the update, knowing full well that a lot of people around the world don't have uncapped connections - bad. Perverting the Windows Update process to enable the 10 update to appear even if you were only allowing supposedly important updates - bad. Constantly playing whack-a-mole with peoples attempts to stop GWX from running on their system, in the completely misguided belief that MS knows better than the end user what the end user wants - childish and pathetic.
So no, having already "given it a go", I don't need to "get over myself" - I've seen exactly how not OK Windows 10 really is for me, and it's not an experience I have any desire to willingly foist upon any of my personal systems. I've been a Windows user since the 3.1 era because it's been the only viable option for running the software I wanted to run over that period of time. These days however, when I think about all the stuff I still use my PC for at home, I could quite easily do it all using a combination of a Linux host and an XP or 7 VM for the odd bit of Windows-only software that I do still use regularly. Unlike the old days when I used to be heavily into PC-based gaming, I really don't NEED Windows to be running directly on the hardware, and whilst previously I'd have most likely upgraded to another version of Windows simply out of familiarity and a desire to minimise the upgrade pain, what MS have done with 10 now makes me absolutely certain that, short of a complete u-turn in policy from MS, when the time comes that I can no longer keep the 7 and 8.1 systems here running properly, it'll be something other than Windows that replaces them.
ADEuk said:
We have a Bosch KTS diagnostic machine at work:
Got to work Monday morning to find it was still shutting down from Saturday. Around lunchtime it rebooted to a 'Your computer is being upgraded please wait' message. Went home at 6 with progress at 2% came to work yesterday it was at 6%. Left work yesterday it was at 25%. This morning it had finished and there was a 'welcome to windows 10' page, click next to continue. That's when the problems started. First off this is a touch screen and the mouse cursor was moving opposite to the stylus and I would have needed to drag the stylus off the screen to get the cursor on the next button. Oh well I'll use the on screen keyboard instead. Nope, none of the external buttons work. Anyone got a usb mouse in their toolbox? Nope, didn't think so. Went home at luchtime grabbed mine, back to work plugged it in... it worked. Great, clicked next, hang on, whats this about a Cortina? Oh wait Cortana. She's there for help. Hmm ok, maybe she can tell my this bloody 3 series keeps going into limp mode? A few more pages later and an hour of 'configuring your personal settings' I'm at the desktop but it, me, my boss and his customers ain't happy. Bosch software won't launch, can't bluetooth to the module and, according to the icon in control panel, touchscreen is not installed. Finally found a settings page to roll back to windows 7 and have left it doing something. This has been a major pain in the rectum and has cost god knows what in time and money. Microsoft are a bunch of absolutes. Oh and to top it off I left my fking mouse at work so no fking War Thunder
Do you just slap any old software update on a car to try and resolve issues, or just in case it solves something you havent seen yet? No?Got to work Monday morning to find it was still shutting down from Saturday. Around lunchtime it rebooted to a 'Your computer is being upgraded please wait' message. Went home at 6 with progress at 2% came to work yesterday it was at 6%. Left work yesterday it was at 25%. This morning it had finished and there was a 'welcome to windows 10' page, click next to continue. That's when the problems started. First off this is a touch screen and the mouse cursor was moving opposite to the stylus and I would have needed to drag the stylus off the screen to get the cursor on the next button. Oh well I'll use the on screen keyboard instead. Nope, none of the external buttons work. Anyone got a usb mouse in their toolbox? Nope, didn't think so. Went home at luchtime grabbed mine, back to work plugged it in... it worked. Great, clicked next, hang on, whats this about a Cortina? Oh wait Cortana. She's there for help. Hmm ok, maybe she can tell my this bloody 3 series keeps going into limp mode? A few more pages later and an hour of 'configuring your personal settings' I'm at the desktop but it, me, my boss and his customers ain't happy. Bosch software won't launch, can't bluetooth to the module and, according to the icon in control panel, touchscreen is not installed. Finally found a settings page to roll back to windows 7 and have left it doing something. This has been a major pain in the rectum and has cost god knows what in time and money. Microsoft are a bunch of absolute
s. Oh and to top it off I left my fking mouse at work so no fking War ThunderSo why do you think that a good approach to an obviously vital work tool?
randlemarcus said:
Do you just slap any old software update on a car to try and resolve issues, or just in case it solves something you havent seen yet? No?
So why do you think that a good approach to an obviously vital work tool?
This is the whole problem - MS forces the update, and people are having to jump through hoops to try and avoid it.So why do you think that a good approach to an obviously vital work tool?
Step 1 :
Windows pops up an "Upgrade to Windows 10" dialog, and the only choices are "Upgrade Now" and "Upgrade Later".
If you close the popup using the red X in the corner, Microsoft assumes you chose "Upgrade later".
Step 2 :
If the machine is left running, sometime later Windows tries to update to Win10.
Apparently it shows another prompt, but if no-one is at the computer to click "No Thanks", it eventually times out and starts the update
Our software works just fine with Win10, but the 7 -> 10 upgrade process often stuffs up some drivers, which need to be reinstalled.
We get calls every bloody day from customers whose machine has upgraded overnight and stopped working, and they are losing time and money until it is fixed.
RobDickinson said:
Half this thread is 'If you build it they will come' attitude.
I've been very pro MS for a long time and quite liked the windows 8/metro changes etc.
But I still cant see an actual real reason to bother upgrading to 10.
Faster, lighter, works out of the box, better ongoing support, you'll never be on an out of date O/S again. Cant see any reason not to.I've been very pro MS for a long time and quite liked the windows 8/metro changes etc.
But I still cant see an actual real reason to bother upgrading to 10.
Not speaking of you speficially, but theres no pleasing some people - if Microsoft were charging £500 for Win 10 there'd be people bleating about how its ridiculous blah blah blah, yet they give the product away free and lo and behold, people still complain.
I've upgraded maybe 10 PCs / laptops to 10 and all with no problems at all, and all have been better machines at the end of it.
Using a Win10 laptop now, and just upgraded a Win7 Dell PC to 10 over the weekend no problems at all.
Easy process
1% of people have problems, but for the vast majority its a win.
daemon said:
Faster, lighter, works out of the box, better ongoing support, you'll never be on an out of date O/S again. Cant see any reason not to.
Not speaking of you speficially, but theres no pleasing some people - if Microsoft were charging £500 for Win 10 there'd be people bleating about how its ridiculous blah blah blah, yet they give the product away free and lo and behold, people still complain.
I've upgraded maybe 10 PCs / laptops to 10 and all with no problems at all, and all have been better machines at the end of it.
Using a Win10 laptop now, and just upgraded a Win7 Dell PC to 10 over the weekend no problems at all.
Easy process
No one is complaining about the free update, it is the way Microsoft is forcing updates on people.Not speaking of you speficially, but theres no pleasing some people - if Microsoft were charging £500 for Win 10 there'd be people bleating about how its ridiculous blah blah blah, yet they give the product away free and lo and behold, people still complain.
I've upgraded maybe 10 PCs / laptops to 10 and all with no problems at all, and all have been better machines at the end of it.
Using a Win10 laptop now, and just upgraded a Win7 Dell PC to 10 over the weekend no problems at all.
Easy process
Let me guess - none of the machines you updated are running legacy software, or connected to any hardware other than a mouse / keyboard / printer?
AW111 said:
No one is complaining about the free update, it is the way Microsoft is forcing updates on people.
Let me guess - none of the machines you updated are running legacy software, or connected to any hardware other than a mouse / keyboard / printer?
Correct. And neither are 99% of consumers, so there is no particular why a consumer user shouldnt upgrade.Let me guess - none of the machines you updated are running legacy software, or connected to any hardware other than a mouse / keyboard / printer?
Businesses - yes. However i would expect that has been mitigated / is being mitigated by the company being used for IT support if an organisation doesnt have in house support.
ADEuk said:
We have a Bosch KTS diagnostic machine at work:
Got to work Monday morning to find it was still shutting down from Saturday. Around lunchtime it rebooted to a 'Your computer is being upgraded please wait' message. Went home at 6 with progress at 2% came to work yesterday it was at 6%. Left work yesterday it was at 25%. This morning it had finished and there was a 'welcome to windows 10' page, click next to continue. That's when the problems started. First off this is a touch screen and the mouse cursor was moving opposite to the stylus and I would have needed to drag the stylus off the screen to get the cursor on the next button. Oh well I'll use the on screen keyboard instead. Nope, none of the external buttons work. Anyone got a usb mouse in their toolbox? Nope, didn't think so. Went home at luchtime grabbed mine, back to work plugged it in... it worked. Great, clicked next, hang on, whats this about a Cortina? Oh wait Cortana. She's there for help. Hmm ok, maybe she can tell my this bloody 3 series keeps going into limp mode? A few more pages later and an hour of 'configuring your personal settings' I'm at the desktop but it, me, my boss and his customers ain't happy. Bosch software won't launch, can't bluetooth to the module and, according to the icon in control panel, touchscreen is not installed. Finally found a settings page to roll back to windows 7 and have left it doing something. This has been a major pain in the rectum and has cost god knows what in time and money. Microsoft are a bunch of absolutes. Oh and to top it off I left my fking mouse at work so no fking War Thunder
Have you tried turning it off and back on again...Got to work Monday morning to find it was still shutting down from Saturday. Around lunchtime it rebooted to a 'Your computer is being upgraded please wait' message. Went home at 6 with progress at 2% came to work yesterday it was at 6%. Left work yesterday it was at 25%. This morning it had finished and there was a 'welcome to windows 10' page, click next to continue. That's when the problems started. First off this is a touch screen and the mouse cursor was moving opposite to the stylus and I would have needed to drag the stylus off the screen to get the cursor on the next button. Oh well I'll use the on screen keyboard instead. Nope, none of the external buttons work. Anyone got a usb mouse in their toolbox? Nope, didn't think so. Went home at luchtime grabbed mine, back to work plugged it in... it worked. Great, clicked next, hang on, whats this about a Cortina? Oh wait Cortana. She's there for help. Hmm ok, maybe she can tell my this bloody 3 series keeps going into limp mode? A few more pages later and an hour of 'configuring your personal settings' I'm at the desktop but it, me, my boss and his customers ain't happy. Bosch software won't launch, can't bluetooth to the module and, according to the icon in control panel, touchscreen is not installed. Finally found a settings page to roll back to windows 7 and have left it doing something. This has been a major pain in the rectum and has cost god knows what in time and money. Microsoft are a bunch of absolute
s. Oh and to top it off I left my fking mouse at work so no fking War Thunderdaemon said:
Correct. And neither are 99% of consumers, so there is no particular why a consumer user shouldnt upgrade.
Businesses - yes. However i would expect that has been mitigated / is being mitigated by the company being used for IT support if an organisation doesnt have in house support.
Why should anyone or any organisation have to be mitigating anything? If I don't want the upgrade I don't want it. I should not have to stop Windows update on the family's PCs and go through it every month telling it AGAIN that I STILL don't want it when it undoes the "Hide this update" by changing the version number of the update so it looks like a new one.Businesses - yes. However i would expect that has been mitigated / is being mitigated by the company being used for IT support if an organisation doesnt have in house support.
daemon said:
Faster, lighter, works out of the box, better ongoing support, you'll never be on an out of date O/S again. Cant see any reason not to.
Not speaking of you speficially, but theres no pleasing some people - if Microsoft were charging £500 for Win 10 there'd be people bleating about how its ridiculous blah blah blah, yet they give the product away free and lo and behold, people still complain.
I've upgraded maybe 10 PCs / laptops to 10 and all with no problems at all, and all have been better machines at the end of it.
Using a Win10 laptop now, and just upgraded a Win7 Dell PC to 10 over the weekend no problems at all.
Easy process
1% of people have problems, but for the vast majority its a win.
Check my post above, it's not faster. Not speaking of you speficially, but theres no pleasing some people - if Microsoft were charging £500 for Win 10 there'd be people bleating about how its ridiculous blah blah blah, yet they give the product away free and lo and behold, people still complain.
I've upgraded maybe 10 PCs / laptops to 10 and all with no problems at all, and all have been better machines at the end of it.
Using a Win10 laptop now, and just upgraded a Win7 Dell PC to 10 over the weekend no problems at all.
Easy process
1% of people have problems, but for the vast majority its a win.
It's also not always reliable.
And my current os is supported until 2023..
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