Windows 10 upgrade notification
Discussion
ArsE92 said:
Interestingly, I've just upgraded a Windows 7 Pro laptop to Windows 10 Pro, via a v1511 USB stick. It's activated ok.
I was expecting to be redirected to the Store and be forced to pay.
What's occurring?
Did you download it through the machine you just upgraded? Maybe the activation is only temporary?I was expecting to be redirected to the Store and be forced to pay.
What's occurring?
I did see a comment somewhere that you still get it free if you say you use assistive technology and Microsoft doesn't check this.
Sheepshanks said:
ArsE92 said:
Interestingly, I've just upgraded a Windows 7 Pro laptop to Windows 10 Pro, via a v1511 USB stick. It's activated ok.
I was expecting to be redirected to the Store and be forced to pay.
What's occurring?
Did you download it through the machine you just upgraded? Maybe the activation is only temporary?I was expecting to be redirected to the Store and be forced to pay.
What's occurring?
I did see a comment somewhere that you still get it free if you say you use assistive technology and Microsoft doesn't check this.
It'd be a bit naughty to only activate temporarily! I'll leave this laptop running for a few hours after upgrade and see if anything happens.
saaby93 said:
and the benefit of win 10 is?
I hear it is at least as good as Win7, and "better" in some respects. But I don't buy into "Software As A Service" so I stayed away. I only need Windows for client work and games these days anyway. And if SteamOS takes off then the latter can be removed and the former might end up as a Linux-hosted VMsaaby93 said:
and the benefit of win 10 is?
Anyone else get fed up with if it cant connect to the network in cant verify your password with the big microsoft server in the sky so asks to type it in again
Does my head in on my Mums laptop. I never thought I'd say it, but I'm switching to Apple in future. Microsoft are dead to me.Anyone else get fed up with if it cant connect to the network in cant verify your password with the big microsoft server in the sky so asks to type it in again
glazbagun said:
saaby93 said:
and the benefit of win 10 is?
Anyone else get fed up with if it cant connect to the network in cant verify your password with the big microsoft server in the sky so asks to type it in again
Does my head in on my Mums laptop. I never thought I'd say it, but I'm switching to Apple in future. Microsoft are dead to me.Anyone else get fed up with if it cant connect to the network in cant verify your password with the big microsoft server in the sky so asks to type it in again
It didn't work well at first at all - lots of crashes and the spinning wheel thing, but (touch wood) it seems to have settled down and I can use it all day now without any issues.
I disabled fast shutdown as I think that was causing it to get in a tizzy - during the day I use the machine docked and wired to Ethernet, other times it's used wireless. It never seemed happy using Edge so have stopped using that.
Surprisingly the same things that were problems before still are - Skype can be uncertain and the machine, which has an SSD, does an odd thing just once within a few mins (but not the same amount of time every boot) of being booting where it locks up for about a minute and then carries on normally.
glazbagun said:
Does my head in on my Mums laptop. I never thought I'd say it, but I'm switching to Apple in future. Microsoft are dead to me.
Lol. What does your head in about it...? It must be your mum's laptop. It runs fine on my upgraded Win7 HP desktop, and my missus's old Toshiba 32 bit ex Vista, ex Win7 laptop.
saaby93 said:
and the benefit of win 10 is?
Roughly speaking:Under the covers it is much improved, but only geeks need to care. For users it boots much quicker, especially on SSDs, uses less memory, and there is an improved Task Manager. All of which actually came with Windows 8, but that had a (really good) tablet UI that should never have gone onto desktops.
So Windows 10 was rushed out with a "proper" (only a bit half baked) overlapping windows desktop UI on it instead.
And adds a really s
t tablet mode.saaby93 said:
and the benefit of win 10 is?
Anyone else get fed up with if it cant connect to the network in cant verify your password with the big microsoft server in the sky so asks to type it in again
For me there is no benefit I absolutely despise 10, I had to set the internet connection to metered just to stop the stupid thing updating nearly every time I turned it on. Just in time too if what I've been reading about the anniversary update is true. Anyone else get fed up with if it cant connect to the network in cant verify your password with the big microsoft server in the sky so asks to type it in again
Edited because in my haste I forgot to write anything.
Edited by mygoldfishbowl on Wednesday 10th August 18:02
grumbledoak said:
Roughly speaking:
Under the covers it is much improved, but only geeks need to care. For users it boots much quicker, especially on SSDs, uses less memory, and there is an improved Task Manager. All of which actually came with Windows 8, but that had a (really good) tablet UI that should never have gone onto desktops.
So Windows 10 was rushed out with a "proper" (only a bit half baked) overlapping windows desktop UI on it instead.
And adds a really st tablet mode.
pretty much spot on that. I love Win10 on the desktop, but on my Surface, it's garbage (so I rolled back to Win8.1 whilst I could).Under the covers it is much improved, but only geeks need to care. For users it boots much quicker, especially on SSDs, uses less memory, and there is an improved Task Manager. All of which actually came with Windows 8, but that had a (really good) tablet UI that should never have gone onto desktops.
So Windows 10 was rushed out with a "proper" (only a bit half baked) overlapping windows desktop UI on it instead.
And adds a really s
t tablet mode.
grumbledoak said:
Roughly speaking:
Under the covers it is much improved, but only geeks need to care. For users it boots much quicker, especially on SSDs, uses less memory, and there is an improved Task Manager. All of which actually came with Windows 8, but that had a (really good) tablet UI that should never have gone onto desktops.
So Windows 10 was rushed out with a "proper" (only a bit half baked) overlapping windows desktop UI on it instead.
And adds a really st tablet mode.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/nd windows 7Under the covers it is much improved, but only geeks need to care. For users it boots much quicker, especially on SSDs, uses less memory, and there is an improved Task Manager. All of which actually came with Windows 8, but that had a (really good) tablet UI that should never have gone onto desktops.
So Windows 10 was rushed out with a "proper" (only a bit half baked) overlapping windows desktop UI on it instead.
And adds a really s
t tablet mode.Well according to tests, not guesswork.. Windows 10 boots slower than windows 8.1 a
It does wake up from sleep faster, by a whole 2 seconds
So how quick is it in comparison once working? Pretty much a wash. Some things slightly quicker, some things slightly slower.
"Conclusion
Windows 10 seems to offer basically no relevant performance advantage over Windows 8 in mainstream tests"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949894/windows/win...
Its likely it will take up less disk space (at the moment) and use slightly less ram on most systems/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/faster-boot...
So really, performance is not a reason to upgrade. I'm still waiting for a good reason to.
RobDickinson said:
grumbledoak said:
Roughly speaking:
Under the covers it is much improved, but only geeks need to care. For users it boots much quicker, especially on SSDs, uses less memory, and there is an improved Task Manager. All of which actually came with Windows 8, but that had a (really good) tablet UI that should never have gone onto desktops.
So Windows 10 was rushed out with a "proper" (only a bit half baked) overlapping windows desktop UI on it instead.
And adds a really st tablet mode.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/nd windows 7Under the covers it is much improved, but only geeks need to care. For users it boots much quicker, especially on SSDs, uses less memory, and there is an improved Task Manager. All of which actually came with Windows 8, but that had a (really good) tablet UI that should never have gone onto desktops.
So Windows 10 was rushed out with a "proper" (only a bit half baked) overlapping windows desktop UI on it instead.
And adds a really s
t tablet mode.Well according to tests, not guesswork.. Windows 10 boots slower than windows 8.1 a
It does wake up from sleep faster, by a whole 2 seconds
So how quick is it in comparison once working? Pretty much a wash. Some things slightly quicker, some things slightly slower.
"Conclusion
Windows 10 seems to offer basically no relevant performance advantage over Windows 8 in mainstream tests"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949894/windows/win...
Its likely it will take up less disk space (at the moment) and use slightly less ram on most systems/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/faster-boot...
So really, performance is not a reason to upgrade. I'm still waiting for a good reason to.
WinstonWolf said:
It's not 8.
True - but that seems to be an overall advantage for windows 8.performance wise most of what I do is quicker under windows 8, it boots faster, by programs work quicker ( some programs are quicker in windows 10 sure , but not the ones I use).
I control what updates are applied, and when, I decide what data is sent outside of my PC.
My settings have not been swapped , changed or overridden by 'accident' by windows updates either.
You go to windows 10 and your basically hoping microsoft dont change things you like because you dont get to opt out.
For anyone who didn't upgrade but now wants to, you can actually still do it for free: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YogveA29Hqc
ash73 said:
DX12?
Improved Start menu and windowed apps was enough reason for me, transforms the desktop experience imo.
I run nVidia graphics cards and they really arnt on board with DX12 yetImproved Start menu and windowed apps was enough reason for me, transforms the desktop experience imo.
'The GeForce GTX 980 Ti is consistently slower in DX12.'
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/04/01/ashes_si...
http://www.techspot.com/review/1081-dx11-vs-dx12-a...
Plus there are .. hmm a whole 5 released dx12 games , 2 of those dont yet support it..?? And a massive 7 listed as coming.. sometime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_D...
As for the menu system etc I barely ever see the windows 8 menu, and then only for a split second as I type 2-3 characters and hit enter. Perhaps windows 10 is better in this respect ( I use it on my surface pro 4...) but its hardly a selling point IMO
RobDickinson said:
WinstonWolf said:
It's not 8.
True - but that seems to be an overall advantage for windows 8.performance wise most of what I do is quicker under windows 8, it boots faster, by programs work quicker ( some programs are quicker in windows 10 sure , but not the ones I use).
I control what updates are applied, and when, I decide what data is sent outside of my PC.
My settings have not been swapped , changed or overridden by 'accident' by windows updates either.
You go to windows 10 and your basically hoping microsoft dont change things you like because you dont get to opt out.
You're stuck with the god awful UI in 8, unless you change it and it still does it's utmost to revert to Metro as was :shudder:
WinstonWolf said:
You can change all of those settings if they matter to you.
You're stuck with the god awful UI in 8,
Not all of them, and windows 10 changes them back..You're stuck with the god awful UI in 8,
And the 'god aweful UI' of windows 8.1 is fine, I hardly ever see it.
Boot to desktop, all my programs have taskbar icons or desktop shortcuts. I mean really how many different apps do people actually use?
Occasionally I have to hit the windows key and type in the first few characters of something, and hit return. Just like I did in windows 7 or would on windows 10.
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