Microsoft Win10 Devices Event streaming

Microsoft Win10 Devices Event streaming

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KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Thats a good point about apple having two different OS which will make it hard to react to this in a hurry - even then it will be obvious they are reacting rather than leading.

Win 10 running on everything is a master stroke, you can see why they have made it compatible with all their various lines now.

Summary of the even here if anyone wants the highlights: http://blogs.windows.com/devices/2015/10/06/a-new-...

EricE

1,945 posts

128 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Here's the key part of the reveal video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407Fykg8oz4&t=...

Splitting CPU and GPU into screen/base is such a genius move... more room for battery, more heat dissipation surface, more TDP = faster CPUs and GPUs with no drawback but weight.

edit: looking at the renders they also have plenty of room for more battery in the screen/tablet part, it looks positively airy in there. I guess weight is the key factor because the hinge can only support so much weight in the screen.

Base/keyboard+GPU:


Screen+CPU:



Edited by EricE on Tuesday 6th October 17:44

TotalControl

8,016 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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In short, I'm pretty impressed with the direction Microsoft is taking with it's products.

Roll on Win10 on my 735. Also hugely considering the Surface devices.

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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TotalControl said:
In short, I'm pretty impressed with the direction Microsoft is taking with it's products.

Roll on Win10 on my 735. Also hugely considering the Surface devices.
If you want to try it (and dont mind a full device wipe and/or a few bugs), install the windows insider app, sign up to the fast build and check for updates.

Russ35

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2,491 posts

238 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Like all those products, although I don't think I could justify $3000 for the hololens.

The look of the 2 950 phones is a bit bland, although the spec is great. Will probably go with a 950XL to replace the 1020.

The Band2 looks much better than the first version. Just hope that they fit bigger wrists. Using the sizing chart for the first band I was on the max limit for the large band.




ajprice

27,317 posts

195 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Surface 4 US prices http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/tablets/mic...

"The Pro 3 cost from £639/$799 so the new model is a little more expensive
128GB 6th Generation Intel Core M3 with 4 GB of RAM - $899
128GB 6th Generation Intel Core i5 with 4 GB of RAM - $999
256GB 6th Generation Intel Core i5 with 8 GB of RAM - $1,299
256GB 6th Generation Intel Core i7 with 8 GB of RAM - $1,599
256GB 6th Generation Intel Core i7 with 16 GB of RAM - $1,799
512GB 6th Generation Intel Core i7 with 16 GB of RAM - $2,199"

So maybe £699 to £2000 ish?

Edited by ajprice on Tuesday 6th October 18:24

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Microsoft are getting somewhat better at this presentation lark. I thought the HoloLens and Continuum demonstrations were really well done and even my fat, cynical self was hugely impressed by the SurfaceBook. Really just a great array of products.

Otispunkmeyer

12,557 posts

154 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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ajprice said:
Surface 4 US prices http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/tablets/mic...

"The Pro 3 cost from £639/$799 so the new model is a little more expensive
128GB 6th Generation Intel Core M3 with 4 GB of RAM - $899
128GB 6th Generation Intel Core i5 with 4 GB of RAM - $999
256GB 6th Generation Intel Core i5 with 8 GB of RAM - $1,299
256GB 6th Generation Intel Core i7 with 8 GB of RAM - $1,599
256GB 6th Generation Intel Core i7 with 16 GB of RAM - $1,799
512GB 6th Generation Intel Core i7 with 16 GB of RAM - $2,199"

So maybe £699 to £2000 ish?

Edited by ajprice on Tuesday 6th October 18:24
Just seen on their site. They don't have the SP4 in the store but if you go on the devices site and go through the "help me choose" bit (choose between SP4 or S3) and depending on what you tick, you get a SP4 spec at the bottom and more importantly, the price.

http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-gb/devices/hel...

The Core i5 with 256GB SSD and 8GB of RAM came out at £1079 and the i7 with 512GB and 16GB comes out at £1249.

So not too bad really considering the SP3 with i5, 256, 8 is currently £929 and was originally over £1000 before they brought in price cuts not so long ago.

Strangely there doesn't seem a mention of the 1TB model and I presume "starting from" means Type Cover is optional.

Very interesting to see that the lower model is an M3 rather than an i3. The M3 is the proper ULV mobile part, the M's sit between the Atom x3/5/7 line and the Core i3/5/7 line. Perhaps the performance will only be adequate for web, consumption and doing word documents but maybe the battery life will be usefully longer?

Never the less I would have thought M3 to i5 is quite a jump in performance.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Tuesday 6th October 18:49

l354uge

2,892 posts

120 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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A link for anyone that missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fel-ZrlhvgE

Surface book looks amazing.

Continuum is the logical conclusion to all these insanely powerful phones, just need to wait for it to be fully wireless and alot of work PCs could be defunct.

Edited by l354uge on Tuesday 6th October 19:24

EricE

1,945 posts

128 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Intel just recently announced a new 25W quadcore Skylake processor, seems perfect for the Surfacebook.

http://ark.intel.com/products/90615/Intel-Core-i7-...


R8VXF

6,788 posts

114 months

Tuesday 6th October 2015
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Going to be ordering the band in the morning methinks to replace my Fitbit. Starting to get really annoyed at the glacial speed of the Fitbit development teams. Also going to harass EE to see if they are getting the 950XL in. Just then need to decide on SP4 or SB for Christmas to replace my SP1.

Russ35

Original Poster:

2,491 posts

238 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Bugger, wrists still to big for the large size band according to the new sizing chart.




clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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KTF said:
TotalControl said:
In short, I'm pretty impressed with the direction Microsoft is taking with it's products.

Roll on Win10 on my 735. Also hugely considering the Surface devices.
If you want to try it (and dont mind a full device wipe and/or a few bugs), install the windows insider app, sign up to the fast build and check for updates.
And then 5 minutes after starting, you wonder what MS were on when they redesigned WP8.1 .... the interface is really not good on a mobile. WP8.1 was brilliant. W10M ... isn't.

Richyvrlimited

1,824 posts

162 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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clonmult said:
And then 5 minutes after starting, you wonder what MS were on when they redesigned WP8.1 .... the interface is really not good on a mobile. WP8.1 was brilliant. W10M ... isn't.
I love Win10 on my desktop, but on my Surface3, I rolled back to 8.1. The touch aspects of Win10 and the general usability are far inferior to 8.1. I'm sure in time it'll get better through

Win10M to me was basically the same as WP8.1 albeit horrendously slow and laggy. If the rumors that the latest insider preview of W10M is the release candidate I'd be rather worried. it's very buggy at the minute.

MysteryLemon

4,968 posts

190 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Richyvrlimited said:
I love Win10 on my desktop, but on my Surface3, I rolled back to 8.1. The touch aspects of Win10 and the general usability are far inferior to 8.1. I'm sure in time it'll get better through

Win10M to me was basically the same as WP8.1 albeit horrendously slow and laggy. If the rumors that the latest insider preview of W10M is the release candidate I'd be rather worried. it's very buggy at the minute.
It may be the release version for the 950 and 950xl that will ship with it, but it may run fantastically on those devices. Plenty of time for them to get it just right for all of us with our older 8.1 devices before they actually roll it out. Maybe some phones will get it before others etc.

Frimley111R

15,537 posts

233 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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I think MS are doing very well atm. They've learned that Apple did some things very well and are copying and improving on what they do/did but I think MS's key tech advantage is that they have one OS for everything now effectively and the tiles system was inspired.

R8VXF

6,788 posts

114 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Frimley111R said:
I think MS are doing very well atm. They've learned that Apple did some things very well and are copying and improving on what they do/did but I think MS's key tech advantage is that they have one OS for everything now effectively and the tiles system was inspired.
Yup, they are doing amazingly well under Nutella's leadership. hehe

I love the digs that they had at Apple during the keynote. The toaster-fridge was from Apple's CEO on the first launch of the Surface Pro, and the comments about the "other" companies copying them.

MS has always been very good at hardware (usually on the second time of asking though), and it is good to see them innovating in the Win10 devices segment.

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Richyvrlimited said:
I love Win10 on my desktop, but on my Surface3, I rolled back to 8.1. The touch aspects of Win10 and the general usability are far inferior to 8.1. I'm sure in time it'll get better through

Win10M to me was basically the same as WP8.1 albeit horrendously slow and laggy. If the rumors that the latest insider preview of W10M is the release candidate I'd be rather worried. it's very buggy at the minute.
I wasn't sure about W10 on my tablet, but aside from the left swipe task view having close buttons that are too small, it actually works rather well.

If the current insider preview is the RC, then I agree - it is considerably slower than WP8.1, it definitely is buggy. W10 on the desktop was generally quite good from an early stage, maybe not quite ready for prodution, but it was usable. The initial insider build for the L1020 was absolutely dire, and whilst it has got better, its still far from ready.

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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MysteryLemon said:
Richyvrlimited said:
I love Win10 on my desktop, but on my Surface3, I rolled back to 8.1. The touch aspects of Win10 and the general usability are far inferior to 8.1. I'm sure in time it'll get better through

Win10M to me was basically the same as WP8.1 albeit horrendously slow and laggy. If the rumors that the latest insider preview of W10M is the release candidate I'd be rather worried. it's very buggy at the minute.
It may be the release version for the 950 and 950xl that will ship with it, but it may run fantastically on those devices. Plenty of time for them to get it just right for all of us with our older 8.1 devices before they actually roll it out. Maybe some phones will get it before others etc.
I just wish they hadn't dropped the "metro swipe" in favour of the awful hamburger menu - it just doesn't work as well as the prior design.

And I wonder if the production version of W10M will allow sideloading of android apps as is currently available - even if you have to connect to the insider programme, its a handy feature.

Frimley111R

15,537 posts

233 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Love this 'Continuum' device that means your phone is essentially your computer too! So as I am in the market for a new computer soon I could just buy a new Lumia instead.

Good overview here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA9YsltyjX4