Found my son watching.....

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Ynox

1,704 posts

179 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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SystemParanoia said:
When my kids learn how to hack their way out of my network, they pretty much dersrve all the porn they can get at that point ha!
That's pretty much my plan for when I have kids. White list access and a router in a locked cupboard. My wife thinks I'm nuts.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Ynox said:
SystemParanoia said:
When my kids learn how to hack their way out of my network, they pretty much dersrve all the porn they can get at that point ha!
That's pretty much my plan for when I have kids. White list access and a router in a locked cupboard. My wife thinks I'm nuts.
that makes great sense, x2 wifi networks, restrited one for them that is double natted for exra "aragh" factor, and an unrestricted one for you.

makes it easy to de-prioritise their traffic too so you can netflix, and download without them sucking all of the bandwith!

JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

265 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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SystemParanoia said:
Ynox said:
SystemParanoia said:
When my kids learn how to hack their way out of my network, they pretty much dersrve all the porn they can get at that point ha!
That's pretty much my plan for when I have kids. White list access and a router in a locked cupboard. My wife thinks I'm nuts.
that makes great sense, x2 wifi networks, restrited one for them that is double natted for exra "aragh" factor, and an unrestricted one for you.

makes it easy to de-prioritise their traffic too so you can netflix, and download without them sucking all of the bandwith!
By the time you have kids and they grow to the age that you need to worry about it, the internet will not exist as it does now, and will simply be "there" everywhere.. like electricity (which will also be much different.. think wireless and everywhere!)

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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JamieBeeston said:
SystemParanoia said:
Ynox said:
SystemParanoia said:
When my kids learn how to hack their way out of my network, they pretty much dersrve all the porn they can get at that point ha!
That's pretty much my plan for when I have kids. White list access and a router in a locked cupboard. My wife thinks I'm nuts.
that makes great sense, x2 wifi networks, restrited one for them that is double natted for exra "aragh" factor, and an unrestricted one for you.

makes it easy to de-prioritise their traffic too so you can netflix, and download without them sucking all of the bandwith!
By the time you have kids and they grow to the age that you need to worry about it, the internet will not exist as it does now, and will simply be "there" everywhere.. like electricity (which will also be much different.. think wireless and everywhere!)
they start early... like this random one ive found online

https://youtu.be/W76o_iG7Y7g

My eldest are already 10yr olds... theyre already curious about and investigating the web... teachers even have them writing blog posts in I.T class.



JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

265 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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SystemParanoia said:
JamieBeeston said:
SystemParanoia said:
Ynox said:
SystemParanoia said:
When my kids learn how to hack their way out of my network, they pretty much dersrve all the porn they can get at that point ha!
That's pretty much my plan for when I have kids. White list access and a router in a locked cupboard. My wife thinks I'm nuts.
that makes great sense, x2 wifi networks, restrited one for them that is double natted for exra "aragh" factor, and an unrestricted one for you.

makes it easy to de-prioritise their traffic too so you can netflix, and download without them sucking all of the bandwith!
By the time you have kids and they grow to the age that you need to worry about it, the internet will not exist as it does now, and will simply be "there" everywhere.. like electricity (which will also be much different.. think wireless and everywhere!)
they start early... like this random one ive found online

https://youtu.be/W76o_iG7Y7g

My eldest are already 10yr olds... theyre already curious about and investigating the web... teachers even have them writing blog posts in I.T class.
10 years ago the iphone wasn't even conceived of!

Imagine where we will be 10 years from now..



The_Jackal

4,854 posts

197 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Just install some simple web monitoring software on the laptop.
Show him one or two reports of his use after a month or two, and hope a little bit of fear might stop him doing anything dodgy on "your" internet.
Your best bet is education and a conscience on his part. You wont stop him looking at porn through his teenage years.

justanother5tar

1,314 posts

125 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Educate him and then trust him.

Simple as that.

If he can already do more on a computer than you, then hell be around your prevention tactics soon enough anyway.

FurryExocet

3,011 posts

181 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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Kids have it easy, I used to have to hide my mags in all sorts of places!

Skyedriver

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17,849 posts

282 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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A good but simple talk with him this morning, little bit about blocked sites but more concentrated about the people who use the internet to make friends with young children, by pretending to be some other young child then get then to photo themselves or meet them somewhere. Then do really nasty things to them then kill them. Then quickly pointed out the things on the news about young girls disappearing and being found dead.
Bit of shock and awe but it seems to have penetrated his rather naïve young skull.
Like another poster his school have started a blog thing. Not in agreement with that I'm afraid.
Think I'll have a word with his class teacher to see what they teach them with regards grooming etc

Skyedriver

Original Poster:

17,849 posts

282 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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FurryExocet said:
Kids have it easy, I used to have to hide my mags in all sorts of places!
1963, I was 10, my mate up the street was 9, he found a mag belonging to his older brother.
"Parade", still remember my first sight of a rather pert pair poking through an open blouse....

devnull

3,753 posts

157 months

Sunday 29th November 2015
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Working in telecomms and networks, I've often thought about making a sophisticated home network with wifi access points and a proper SMB / enteprise cisco router to serve stuff up.

However, as mentioned above, i think the best thing for teaching kids is education first.

Vaud

50,467 posts

155 months

Sunday 29th November 2015
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Easy one for you:

https://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/

Change the DNS on your router (quite easy) and use open dns as well. Won't stop everything but will reduce what he is exposed to.

andy-xr

13,204 posts

204 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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Skyedriver said:
A good but simple talk with him this morning, little bit about blocked sites but more concentrated about the people who use the internet to make friends with young children, by pretending to be some other young child then get then to photo themselves or meet them somewhere. Then do really nasty things to them then kill them. Then quickly pointed out the things on the news about young girls disappearing and being found dead.
Bit of shock and awe but it seems to have penetrated his rather naïve young skull.
Like another poster his school have started a blog thing. Not in agreement with that I'm afraid.
Think I'll have a word with his class teacher to see what they teach them with regards grooming etc
He was watching a pirated film and you've got it to grooming? What happened?!

I hope this is taken the right way, but he and his school seem way ahead of where you're at with internet use, and if you want to have some kind of a handle on it, you're going to do that better by taking more in than trying to stop things. He'll find a way around whatever it is you dont like the sounds of, and mostly, it wont be from a pirated film on youtube. It's better to educate than block. The blocking comes when inspite of all the education and learning he's got, he still does stuff that's questionable.

I think jumping from 'and this is Google....' to 'and here's what happens when you search wrong, PEOPLE DIE' is a bit of a stretch. FUD is never a good thing.


Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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10 is the age of criminal responsibility I seem to remember. When he commits a crime, it's him that will have to explain his actions to a judge in court. He might want to remember that.

El Guapo

2,787 posts

190 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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Take your belt to him.

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

161 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
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At 18 our college thought they were smart by putting a web filter in the system. That thing used to block everything you could think of. I guess they didn't think that the "software engineering" students would decide to no longer put up with that and 2 weeks later we got round it using an 0day.

They bought the appliance, paid someone to set it up and then never updated it biggrin

That taught me a lot about how silly sysadmins are in big facilities!

Zoon

6,701 posts

121 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
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twoblacklines said:
At 18 our college thought they were smart by putting a web filter in the system. That thing used to block everything you could think of. I guess they didn't think that the "software engineering" students would decide to no longer put up with that and 2 weeks later we got round it using an 0day.

They bought the appliance, paid someone to set it up and then never updated it biggrin

That taught me a lot about how silly sysadmins are in big facilities!
2 weeks? A bit slow wink

All the ISP blocks are pointless, a few seconds and a free VPN later and he can watch what he wants.

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

161 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
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Well with an appliance he wouldn't be able to connect to a VPN (if there is no wifi)

The easiest way for kids these days is to crack the WPA key of neighbours wifi with a non-install linux distro and then just use those credentials on their normal PC or laptop or tablet.

There are distros out there made just for this purpose that will scan and crack automatically.

This could be worse potentially than letting him have unrestricted access over your network.