Best way to install Infinity?

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red_slr

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17,123 posts

188 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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We are now starting final prep to move to our new house.
I am going to go with BT for the broadband. There is FTTC.

The master socket is in the hall way next to the front door.
Ideally I want the home hub in the office...
However the office is on the third floor...

I have no knowledge of infinity of FTTC as I have never had it before.

I am just finishing with cables now so I can in theory run any kind of cable from the master to the office - but what will BT want / allow?

TIA!

DocJock

8,341 posts

239 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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The line to my house is twin core.

I simply moved the master socket to where I wanted it and reconnected the two cables.

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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infinity consumer equipment "has to" connect directly into the master socket and not an extension. You won't just have a homehub (or any of the many far better third party routers which you'll buy if you're not a complete masochist) but also another box which sits upstream of the homehub. So, it will be a mess in your hallway. Move the master.

dickymint

24,101 posts

257 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Blown2CV said:
infinity consumer equipment "has to" connect directly into the master socket and not an extension. You won't just have a homehub (or any of the many far better third party routers which you'll buy if you're not a complete masochist) but also another box which sits upstream of the homehub. So, it will be a mess in your hallway. Move the master.
No it doesn't. You can connect your hub to any extension anywhere in your house. Thing is that BT will only guarantee you XMbs at the point of entry of your line.


bimsb6

8,034 posts

220 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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dickymint said:
No it doesn't. You can connect your hub to any extension anywhere in your house. Thing is that BT will only guarantee you XMbs at the point of entry of your line.
Correct .

bimsb6

8,034 posts

220 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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red_slr said:
We are now starting final prep to move to our new house.
I am going to go with BT for the broadband. There is FTTC.

The master socket is in the hall way next to the front door.
Ideally I want the home hub in the office...
However the office is on the third floor...

I have no knowledge of infinity of FTTC as I have never had it before.

I am just finishing with cables now so I can in theory run any kind of cable from the master to the office - but what will BT want / allow?

TIA!
Run a cat 5 cable office to the nte in the hall then the cat 5 can be used as a data extn leaving the the rest of the wiring intact and useable for voice .

rossmc88

474 posts

159 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Buy an openreach modem that plugs in the hall. It's white so doesn't look unsightly and you can wall mount it

Run cat5 to your office where you should put in an Asus N66U router

This will get you the best performance as the homehub is rubbish compared to an Asus N66U

Having the separate openreach modem provides faster speeds and greater stability. I've run this setup and it's much better than a homehub

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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dickymint said:
Blown2CV said:
infinity consumer equipment "has to" connect directly into the master socket and not an extension. You won't just have a homehub (or any of the many far better third party routers which you'll buy if you're not a complete masochist) but also another box which sits upstream of the homehub. So, it will be a mess in your hallway. Move the master.
No it doesn't. You can connect your hub to any extension anywhere in your house. Thing is that BT will only guarantee you XMbs at the point of entry of your line.
well it was what i was told. Depends how well the extension has been wired but to be honest people don't have tons of extension phones dotted around their house anymore, particularly in new builds there probably is only the master socket. Might cost just as much / be as complex to move the master as to wire an extension. Stick it all in a cupboard.

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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i don't think you have any option but to install the additional modem, i don't think it's a choice you can make.

Dodsy

7,172 posts

226 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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My master socket was in the living room with an extension socket in my upstairs office. When BT installed infinity2 their engineer just swapped it around and made my office the master.

In my case an engineer had to come out to put a new style master socket in so it was an easy ask

rossmc88

474 posts

159 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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A homehub 5 has a built in vdsl modem so you don't need the separate modem but the separate modem provides a more stable connection than the rubbish home hub 5

FlossyThePig

4,083 posts

242 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Dodsy said:
My master socket was in the living room with an extension socket in my upstairs office. When BT installed infinity2 their engineer just swapped it around and made my office the master.

In my case an engineer had to come out to put a new style master socket in so it was an easy ask
This is what happened at my daughter's house.

rossmc88 said:
A homehub 5 has a built in vdsl modem so you don't need the separate modem but the separate modem provides a more stable connection than the rubbish home hub 5
What is wrong with the HH5 modem? Are you speaking from experience?

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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all homehubs are utter ste. I've got an apple airport extreme and it's been so much more stable and faster.

rossmc88

474 posts

159 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Yes I'm speaking from experience that home hubs are rubbish

I'm also a network engineer to trade and I have BT infinity in my own house

I've tried lots of different setups with routers and what I posted above is the optimum setup for BT infinity

Edited by rossmc88 on Sunday 31st January 14:35

bimsb6

8,034 posts

220 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Blown2CV said:
all homehubs are utter ste. I've got an apple airport extreme and it's been so much more stable and faster.
Shock horror , the FREE. Router provided isn't the best on the market .there are however several million of them working around the uk .

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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bimsb6 said:
Blown2CV said:
all homehubs are utter ste. I've got an apple airport extreme and it's been so much more stable and faster.
Shock horror , the FREE. Router provided isn't the best on the market .there are however several million of them working around the uk .
i'm not saying it's a surprise, i'm saying if you're going to spend £35 a month on Internet access why pipe it through a crap wireless router when a far better one is available for £100.

Are you that massive a homehub fan that you felt aggrieved by my comments?

bimsb6

8,034 posts

220 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Blown2CV said:
i'm not saying it's a surprise, i'm saying if you're going to spend £35 a month on Internet access why pipe it through a crap wireless router when a far better one is available for £100.

Are you that massive a homehub fan that you felt aggrieved by my comments?
No

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Dodsy said:
My master socket was in the living room with an extension socket in my upstairs office. When BT installed infinity2 their engineer just swapped it around and made my office the master.

In my case an engineer had to come out to put a new style master socket in so it was an easy ask
if openreach have to update the master socket , asking the openreach person who comes to do the install will do no harm at all

people suggesting moving the master socket , especially in newer properties or where Openreach have done work in the recent past run the risk of being charged for 'correcting an illegal installation' ... ( all depends what is on the record for the property - if the only thing that has been done in living memory is changing to plug in then illegally mod away before they come and hope you get away with it )

VEX

5,256 posts

245 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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Run a data cable (or two) from your office to the BT point in the hall.
Ask the OpenReach engineer to extend the connection up to the office and he should just jelly crimp (google it) two cores together and that will extend the link up to your office, he'll then put the new NTE plate on in the office.

This is what I did, except I did it for him to get the phone link down from the loft, where it comes in, to the current position under the stairs. Will do it again in a couple of months when the whole lot is moving into the converted front 1/3 of the garage.

V.

dickymint

24,101 posts

257 months

Sunday 31st January 2016
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rossmc88 said:
Yes I'm speaking from experience that home hubs are rubbish

I'm also a network engineer to trade and I have BT infinity in my own house

I've tried lots of different setups with routers and what I posted above is the optimum setup for BT infinity

Edited by rossmc88 on Sunday 31st January 14:35
I'll say it again, and as a 'network engineer' you will know, BT only guarantee their max Mbs to the incoming point so whatever you do from there CAN NOT be better. do you agree?