Apple bricking iPhones that have been 3rd party repaired

[rscott]

As the one who dared to mention the non standard port on Apple devices, I never said it was the main reason for avoiding them, it's just one of many little reasons I took into account when deciding.
The ability to easily share files with Windows & Linux devices is another (just dragging and dropping mp3 & videos on, for example).
I tried using an iPhone 6S for a week, but just couldn't get on with it - found I liked the flexibility of Android.
I've also used a Lumia running Windows 10 - thought it was a decent phone, just lacking apps

[funkyrobot]

twister said:

If your new coat kept on falling off your normal hanging rail because the hanger it came on is only compatible with some stupidly expensive hanging rail system produced by one specific wardrobe manufacturer, then you might start to get a bit peed off with it, especially if the coat was designed in such a way as to prevent using any normal hanger with it...

Also, imagine if the people who designed your coat realised the pockets weren't so secure. So, to fix it, the garments were fitted with an incendiary device that torched the coat. The result would be a useless pile of ashes, but at least nothing could be taken out of the pockets.

[Some Gump]

funkyrobot said:

Also, imagine if the people who designed your coat realised the pockets weren't so secure. So, to fix it, the garments were fitted with an incendiary device that torched the coat. The result would be a useless pile of ashes, but at least nothing could be taken out of the pockets.

In addition, the designers were fashion conscious. Although you personally were happy with the coat, the blue pocket lining was no longer on trend, making the whole coat unwearable. Since the new pocket lining is green, the existing exterior of you coat needs to be upgraded to red in order to make the green pockets work.
Unfortunately, your coat is 2 years old, so the red has faded. It no longer operates as it did before the arbitrary pocket update, because it's the sort of sad pink colour Vauxhall Corsas go when left in the sun. In fact, the new "upgraded" coat no longer performs the function it did 3 days ago (look smart) and has become useless. Your only option is to buy a new coat.
You are now frustrated, because you have limited choices. You could have tried to keep the blue pockets, but the blue pockets no longer opened, making them totally fking useless. Inside the now forever closed pockets you have a wallet containing valuable things - but you can't access anything in there, because an arbitary update said so.

Your choices are horrid:
Change to the faded red useless coat, but recover the contents of pockets.
Buy a new red coat and get the pocket contents back, but anticipate wait for the MacFashions to change again, with wallet raping predictability.
Give up on the whole shebang, accept the loss of both the wallet and it's contents, (despite the fact that you know the matching coat accessories of hood, gloves and natty belt will never be usable again). However, you hope that once you buy the next coat, the universal wallet lives in a pocket ecosystem less vulnerable to arbitary denial of access based on the whim of one of the worlds most profitable / valuable companies. Sure, the wallet is a tiny bit less intuitive to use (it has a zip which is fiddly in winter), but it does the job it's meant to just as well as the old one and more importantly if it tears, any old seamstress can repair it without having to promise the blood of your firstborn to the heathen gods.

[Don]

jmorgan said:

Wait till they ditch the stereo socket........

Or not

Yeah. It's a piece of st, pathetic. thirty year old technology that has no place in a modern device but there's loads of people who will bh and moan when it goes.

I haven't used the headphone socket...ummm....ever. There have been perfectly good alternatives for more than a decade and they STILL haven't got rid of it. What?

[otolith]

Don said:

jmorgan said:

Wait till they ditch the stereo socket........

Or not

Yeah. It's a piece of st, pathetic. thirty year old technology that has no place in a modern device but there's loads of people who will bh and moan when it goes.

I haven't used the headphone socket...ummm....ever. There have been perfectly good alternatives for more than a decade and they STILL haven't got rid of it. What?

It's an issue for the tiny minority of people who use (expensive or just ostentatious) third party headphones which will no longer be compatible. Normal people will just use the ones that came in the box with the phone.

[Tycho]

otolith said:

Don said:

jmorgan said:

Wait till they ditch the stereo socket........

Or not

Yeah. It's a piece of st, pathetic. thirty year old technology that has no place in a modern device but there's loads of people who will bh and moan when it goes.

I haven't used the headphone socket...ummm....ever. There have been perfectly good alternatives for more than a decade and they STILL haven't got rid of it. What?

It's an issue for the tiny minority of people who use (expensive or just ostentatious) third party headphones which will no longer be compatible. Normal people will just use the ones that came in the box with the phone.

The majority of people I see with headphones use 3rd party ones due to the fact that the ones in the box are always crap. I'm in favour of getting rid of the jack and putting an adaptor in the box for current headphones but not just in order to make the phone thinner.

[otolith]

Tycho said:

The majority of people I see with headphones use 3rd party ones due to the fact that the ones in the box are always crap. I'm in favour of getting rid of the jack and putting an adaptor in the box for current headphones but not just in order to make the phone thinner.

Maybe you have more hipsters round your way? Or maybe it's just that you don't notice people with earbuds in so much as headphones?

[jmorgan]

Tycho said:

otolith said:

Don said:

jmorgan said:

Wait till they ditch the stereo socket........

Or not

Yeah. It's a piece of st, pathetic. thirty year old technology that has no place in a modern device but there's loads of people who will bh and moan when it goes.

I haven't used the headphone socket...ummm....ever. There have been perfectly good alternatives for more than a decade and they STILL haven't got rid of it. What?

It's an issue for the tiny minority of people who use (expensive or just ostentatious) third party headphones which will no longer be compatible. Normal people will just use the ones that came in the box with the phone.

The majority of people I see with headphones use 3rd party ones due to the fact that the ones in the box are always crap. I'm in favour of getting rid of the jack and putting an adaptor in the box for current headphones but not just in order to make the phone thinner.

I liked the apple ear phones that came with the iPod. Not the best sounding. On a different make now.

However, removing the socket, OK, it is a direction. Apple stopped the floppy and then stopped the built in CD/DVD and with good reason. However, I suspect the adapter will not be cheap and a white OEM version will be eye watering for what it is. Does an iPhone come with ear phones?

[hornetrider]

otolith said:

It's an issue for the tiny minority of people who use (expensive or just ostentatious) third party headphones which will no longer be compatible. Normal people will just use the ones that came in the box with the phone.

Normal people who don't give a st about the quality of their music and are satisfied with the standard Apple headphones - check.

I love how even people who stray from the use of Apple headphones attract your ire. Spectacular fanboyism

[otolith]

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

It's an issue for the tiny minority of people who use (expensive or just ostentatious) third party headphones which will no longer be compatible. Normal people will just use the ones that came in the box with the phone.

Normal people who don't give a st about the quality of their music and are satisfied with the standard Apple headphones - check.

I love how even people who stray from the use of Apple headphones attract your ire. Spectacular fanboyism

It's only relevant to Apple in that they are the ones who are speculated to be moving away from the socket. Exactly the same observation applies to other makes of phones. Most people are happy with the earbuds that come with them.

Is this you?

[Tycho]

otolith said:

Tycho said:

The majority of people I see with headphones use 3rd party ones due to the fact that the ones in the box are always crap. I'm in favour of getting rid of the jack and putting an adaptor in the box for current headphones but not just in order to make the phone thinner.

Maybe you have more hipsters round your way? Or maybe it's just that you don't notice people with earbuds in so much as headphones?

I notice people with earbuds in as well and the standard Apple earbuds are not what I see most people wearing. Lots of people wear Sennheisers, Beats etc. It's not mostly hipsters either, just normal people commuting.

[klootzak]

hornetrider said:

Normal people who don't give a st about the quality of their music and are satisfied with the standard Apple headphones - check.

I love how even people who stray from the use of Apple headphones attract your ire. Spectacular fanboyism

I'm not sure it's "ire" exactly. More just realism.

Most people don't give a st about quality. Really, they don't. They just care about convenience.

I've been a hifi reviewer for 20 years, and it staggers me just how much most people don't care about sound quality. But I'm used to it now. So I'm long past making assumptions about what matters to most people.

k

[cirian75]

otolith said:

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

It's an issue for the tiny minority of people who use (expensive or just ostentatious) third party headphones which will no longer be compatible. Normal people will just use the ones that came in the box with the phone.

Normal people who don't give a st about the quality of their music and are satisfied with the standard Apple headphones - check.

I love how even people who stray from the use of Apple headphones attract your ire. Spectacular fanboyism

It's only relevant to Apple in that they are the ones who are speculated to be moving away from the socket. Exactly the same observation applies to other makes of phones. Most people are happy with the earbuds that come with them.

Is this you?

GAH!!!

A Hipster, quick kill it before it breeds and lays eggs !

[hornetrider]

otolith said:

Is this you?

Of course it isn't Steve. I do like your sneering at people who would dare to desire a pair of decent noise cancelling earbuds though, simply because they don't have an Apple logo on them. Awesome.

[Koofler]

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

Is this you?

Of course it isn't Steve. I do like your sneering at people who would dare to desire a pair of decent noise cancelling earbuds though, simply because they don't have an Apple logo on them. Awesome.

Sorry Otolith. You came across as a gormless Apple fanboi earlier (which is fine; each to their own) but now you're just coming across as a cocksocket.

[jmorgan]

currybum said:

Koofler said:

as a cocksocket.

Interestingly that is the single interface that they will never remove as their phones would not longer be able to interface with the majority of their fans.

snigger

[hornetrider]

currybum said:

Koofler said:

as a cocksocket.

Interestingly that is the single interface that they will never remove as their phones would not longer be able to interface with the majority of their fans.

[clonmult]

George111 said:

Tycho said:

George111 said:

Believer ? Just a user who wants a good product. This thread is populated by Android fanboys who can't see past the end of their noses

And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that

Actually I have a Lumia 635 and am really impressed by Windows 10 Mobile so can't wait for any confirmation of a Surface phone. So much for your "can't see past the end of your noses" problem.

I guess by the last comment of yours that it is ok for you to have criteria for your choice of phone but not others?

I wasn't sure what to say about the choice of socket driving their choice of phone ! It's like choosing a coat based on the style of the coat hanger it's hung on in the shop . . . ! What does the hanger or socket have to do with the functionality, reliability or general swish-ness of a phone ?

I also had a Windows phone, but it was given to me by Microsoft so I didn't, fortunately, have to spend my own money on it. The camera was great (Lumia 1020) but the rest was woeful and its no surprise they're being dropped.

MS aren't dropping W10M.

I regularly use my 1020 (running W10M), iPhone (4S, for work) and Android (Sony Z5c). By far and away the best device to actually use is the 1020.

And the camera on the 1020 is great, but not particularly usable (LC4 app startup time is painful, the new camera app starts up instantly, but doesn't offer pureview processing).

[Tycho]

clonmult said:

George111 said:

Tycho said:

George111 said:

Believer ? Just a user who wants a good product. This thread is populated by Android fanboys who can't see past the end of their noses

And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that

Actually I have a Lumia 635 and am really impressed by Windows 10 Mobile so can't wait for any confirmation of a Surface phone. So much for your "can't see past the end of your noses" problem.

I guess by the last comment of yours that it is ok for you to have criteria for your choice of phone but not others?

I wasn't sure what to say about the choice of socket driving their choice of phone ! It's like choosing a coat based on the style of the coat hanger it's hung on in the shop . . . ! What does the hanger or socket have to do with the functionality, reliability or general swish-ness of a phone ?

I also had a Windows phone, but it was given to me by Microsoft so I didn't, fortunately, have to spend my own money on it. The camera was great (Lumia 1020) but the rest was woeful and its no surprise they're being dropped.

MS aren't dropping W10M.

I regularly use my 1020 (running W10M), iPhone (4S, for work) and Android (Sony Z5c). By far and away the best device to actually use is the 1020.

And the camera on the 1020 is great, but not particularly usable (LC4 app startup time is painful, the new camera app starts up instantly, but doesn't offer pureview processing).

B-b-b-but it doesn't have the "functionality, reliability or general swish-ness" of an iPhone.... TBH I found WM10 great and MS should do a Surface phone with the Pureview camera.

[otolith]

Koofler said:

hornetrider said:

otolith said:

Is this you?

Of course it isn't Steve. I do like your sneering at people who would dare to desire a pair of decent noise cancelling earbuds though, simply because they don't have an Apple logo on them. Awesome.

Sorry Otolith. You came across as a gormless Apple fanboi earlier (which is fine; each to their own) but now you're just coming across as a cocksocket.

You're both projecting your own prejudices. I would have exactly the same opinion of any other manufacturer moving to a different connector. I literally could not care less, so long as it comes with some earphones that work, and I don't think that is an atypical position. It's not an Apple thing, it's simply that compatibility with third party earphones is a niche interest. If Apple do move to that, and there are people who care, I'm sure they can choose a different phone.

And "fanboi" - the irony is that the only people who throw that accusation around are themselves wrapped up in defining themselves by their position on some unimportant gadget - and who are emotionally invested in being angry about the sockets on a device they have no intention of owning.