Apple bricking iPhones that have been 3rd party repaired

[Tycho]

plasticpig said:

George111 said:

It's not subjective opinion, it is fact - just try them and compare to other phones. But I accept an iPhone won't be to everybody's taste, there will always be people who want something cheaper, smaller, bigger, with particular apps on it, want what they friend has got or like the look of a different phone etc.

The phone sitting on my desk will survive repeated drops onto concrete from a height of 8 feet and I could go swimming with it and it would survive . I wonder what would happen if I tried that with an iPhone?

You'd find out how world class their genius bars are...

[George111]

Tycho said:

George111 said:

It's not subjective opinion, it is fact - just try them and compare to other phones. But I accept an iPhone won't be to everybody's taste, there will always be people who want something cheaper, smaller, bigger, with particular apps on it, want what they friend has got or like the look of a different phone etc.

I have tried one and you are talking rubbish. Going from the best phone to "the best phone with this size screen and price and this look."

I didn't say that - how do you read that into what I said ? Rolls Royce make probably the best cars in the world by many, clearly objective, measures, but I'd prefer not to have one even if I could afford £250k for one. That doesn't mean those measures are any less valid or that in 10 years I might appreciate those measures and think I really would like a Rolls Royce. Same with the iPhone . . . give it a few years of Android and you might feel the same

[rscott]

Tycho said:

George111 said:

It's not subjective opinion, it is fact - just try them and compare to other phones. But I accept an iPhone won't be to everybody's taste, there will always be people who want something cheaper, smaller, bigger, with particular apps on it, want what they friend has got or like the look of a different phone etc.

I have tried one and you are talking rubbish. Going from the best phone to "the best phone with this size screen and price and this look."

And with a fruit logo on it!

I've tried quite a variety of phones (involved in app/mobile web development), anything from iPhone 4 & 6S, through various Lumia, Samsung, Lg, Sony,etc Android devices.
M y own mobile (LG G4) is away for repair - impact issue - so I've raided the test device collection.. The iPhones are untouched and I'm using a Nexus 5X - I just can't get on with IOS.
There's also that almost every other device I own uses micro USB chargers (everything from bike lights to remote controls), yet I need a different nonstandard cable just for the iPhone.

[Tycho]

George111 said:

Tycho said:

George111 said:

It's not subjective opinion, it is fact - just try them and compare to other phones. But I accept an iPhone won't be to everybody's taste, there will always be people who want something cheaper, smaller, bigger, with particular apps on it, want what they friend has got or like the look of a different phone etc.

I have tried one and you are talking rubbish. Going from the best phone to "the best phone with this size screen and price and this look."

I didn't say that - how do you read that into what I said ? Rolls Royce make probably the best cars in the world by many, clearly objective, measures, but I'd prefer not to have one even if I could afford £250k for one. That doesn't mean those measures are any less valid or that in 10 years I might appreciate those measures and think I really would like a Rolls Royce. Same with the iPhone . . . give it a few years of Android and you might feel the same

I read exactly what you said and I'm still of the opinion you are talking crap.

I've had android since the first handsets and used my fair share of Apple devices and still chose android.

Rolls Royce are not in my opinion the best cars in the world and I would think that Maybach, Bentley, Aston Martin and quite a few other manufacturers would disagree with you.

Name the objective measures that make the iPhone Bette than any other phone or there.

[Some Gump]

Got to love modern marketing men. I rap is like a religion these days. No matter how absurd the doctrine, how much evidence to the contrary, some people just choose to believe.

We possess 4 idevices in this household. There will never be a 5th. Apple has engineered systematic obsolescence into everything where as android has not. The proprietary ancillaries where something I could choose to join in with, but the rest of it is like dealing with Darth fking Vader. "I have changed the deal. Pray I do not change it again."

[plasticpig]

George111 said:

Are those normal things to do with a 'phone ? My pockets are only about 3 or 4 feet off the ground and it's usually dry where I walk, certainly in my car it's dry

Can I offer Sir another straw . . . his looks a bit frayed at the edge

Depends what your job is. Some people work in environments (wet, dusty etc) where an iPhone just won't hack it.

[Tycho]

plasticpig said:

George111 said:

Are those normal things to do with a 'phone ? My pockets are only about 3 or 4 feet off the ground and it's usually dry where I walk, certainly in my car it's dry

Can I offer Sir another straw . . . his looks a bit frayed at the edge

Depends what your job is. Some people work in environments (wet, dusty etc) where an iPhone just won't hack it.

If they could survive even 3 or 4 feet drops then the issue of 3rd party repairs wouldn't be an issue....

Edited by Tycho on Tuesday 9th February 19:42

[98elise]

George111 said:

Tycho said:

George111 said:

It's not marketing - it's product development. Apple have 1000's of usability analysts who make sure the products feel and look and handle well - and they are very successful. Nothing on the phone market is as smooth as an iPhone 6 - they are not as slick, intuitive and usable as an Apple iPhone.

So the value of the product (hardware plus software plus associated services, like iCloud) is greater than anything on Android right now, because of the deep and long development which has made it what it is today.

I love the way you say subjective opinion like it is fact. If the iPhone was indeed better than any other phone out there then I'd get one. The fact that I haven't got one and I can afford one shows that to me it isn't and there are a lot of other people out there who agree with me.

It's not subjective opinion, it is fact - just try them and compare to other phones. But I accept an iPhone won't be to everybody's taste, there will always be people who want something cheaper, smaller, bigger, with particular apps on it, want what they friend has got or like the look of a different phone etc.

How is it fact. You' simply saying that as it meets whats important to you then its the best. The things that are important to me are what drives my phone choice, to me my phone is the best.

I have tried an iphone, and it had way too many shortfalls to be the "best". The only thing I would give it was that it was a little smoother, but thats way down on my list of priorities.

If it were actually the best, then I would have one.

[davek_964]

George111 said:

davek_964 said:

Personally, I think it's exactly that. They are absolutely the masters of marketing - in fact, I think you proved that yourself by the statement that Android devices are "cheap" compared to Apple devices being expensive.

What exactly makes your phone worth twice as much as my phone, other than brand value - aka marketing?

It's not marketing - it's product development. Apple have 1000's of usability analysts who make sure the products feel and look and handle well - and they are very successful. Nothing on the phone market is as smooth as an iPhone 6 - they are not as slick, intuitive and usable as an Apple iPhone.

So the value of the product (hardware plus software plus associated services, like iCloud) is greater than anything on Android right now, because of the deep and long development which has made it what it is today.

My word, you really are a believer aren't you?

Pretty much all mobile phone manufacturers invest a huge amount in R&D, including useability. Apple are not even close to being unique in this. The fact that they are so massively profitable - and much of that comes from the iphone - also kind of proves that the cost of them is NOT to cover high R&D costs.

As I previously said - I have tried an iphone and I found it incredibly frustrating. Some things that I do with my Android phone I couldn't do with an iphone. Unless something fundamental changes - which is unlikely, because Apple seem to have a market now where they could take the error 53 situation even further and self destruct the phone killing the potential thief and STILL the fanboys would say "well, at least my phone is secure!" - I will never have an iphone. In my opinion, it is worse than the phone I have in many ways. If it cost the same, or even half as much I wouldn't want one - I really do not understand the fuss.

[bad company]

PW said:

bad company said:

The are not Apple's property to destroy.

"Terms and Conditions" ...skip...skip...skip... "I Agree"

Wait! They can't do this?! I don't agree with this at all!

So you read all the t&c's? What about terms for PayPal, your bank, credit cards, Amazon & even PH. Presumably you read all of them.

I think and hope that the class action succeeds so Apple are not so nasty & arrogant in future.

[98elise]

rscott said:

Tycho said:

George111 said:

It's not subjective opinion, it is fact - just try them and compare to other phones. But I accept an iPhone won't be to everybody's taste, there will always be people who want something cheaper, smaller, bigger, with particular apps on it, want what they friend has got or like the look of a different phone etc.

I have tried one and you are talking rubbish. Going from the best phone to "the best phone with this size screen and price and this look."

And with a fruit logo on it!

I've tried quite a variety of phones (involved in app/mobile web development), anything from iPhone 4 & 6S, through various Lumia, Samsung, Lg, Sony,etc Android devices.
M y own mobile (LG G4) is away for repair - impact issue - so I've raided the test device collection.. The iPhones are untouched and I'm using a Nexus 5X - I just can't get on with IOS.
There's also that almost every other device I own uses micro USB chargers (everything from bike lights to remote controls), yet I need a different nonstandard cable just for the iPhone.

I'm the same. I only buy stuff that charges from micro USB. I want it to change from what it probably the most common charging cable in the world. Same goes for extra memory. I want an SD slot so that I can drop a huge card in when I need it.

[With these feet]

rscott said:

And with a fruit logo on it!

I've tried quite a variety of phones (involved in app/mobile web development), anything from iPhone 4 & 6S, through various Lumia, Samsung, Lg, Sony,etc Android devices.
M y own mobile (LG G4) is away for repair - impact issue - so I've raided the test device collection.. The iPhones are untouched and I'm using a Nexus 5X - I just can't get on with IOS.
There's also that almost every other device I own uses micro USB chargers (everything from bike lights to remote controls), yet I need a different nonstandard cable just for the iPhone.

Nexus 5x here as well, nearly didnt after a poor choice with the replacement for the Nexus 4 (another LG but too slow).
Wife works with Mac's, has an iPad at home, Ive a iMac at work and tbh I loathe it. As pretty, stylish funky - whatever you want to call it, they just don't do it for me. Thats why when I look at iPhones my eyes glaze over, even my wife, who equips all the case managers at her workplace with iPhones, has an android Sony. She won't have one as she also sees them as style over function. Plus the cost is ridiculous, I bought my Nexus 5x 32k for £275 last year. How much of an iPhone will that get you? Add that to my simplicity tariff of £23 pm (used 8gb of data last month! inclusive!) and it truly is a stonking bit of kit. I fail to see the extra the iPhone costs justifies and benefits over an android device.

This is obviously Apple safeguarding sales of their product and ensuring repairs are kept in house, it just highlights Apple's need to retain their customer base.

[GCH]

funkyrobot said:

However, if you buy a song over iTunes, it's stuck in your system only (unless there is a way of cracking the system). It's a ridiculous system and I'm surprised that so many people buy into it.

Music purchased from iTunes is DRM free, and has been since 2009

[rscott]

98elise said:

I'm the same. I only buy stuff that charges from micro USB. I want it to change from what it probably the most common charging cable in the world. Same goes for extra memory. I want an SD slot so that I can drop a huge card in when I need it.

And be able to swap the battery for a spare if it goes flat. Just got a genuine LG battery (and charger/case) for my LG G4 for all of £20.

[bad company]

PW said:

bad company said:

So you read all the t&c's? What about terms for PayPal, your bank, credit cards, Amazon & even PH. Presumably you read all of them.

If they're that important that I'd be really upset if something bad happened - yes, because ignoring them is not the same as them not existing.

I also take the stairs if there are a lot of them, rather than jumping out the window.

I'm not denying at Apple would have been allowed to brick people's phones under their tobs BUT that does not mean that a Court of law would consider that clause reasonable. I think and hope not.

I wonder if Ford are now considering making it a condition of purchasing a car that you only buy replacement tyres from them. If not they will have the right to destroy your car.

Edited by bad company on Wednesday 10th February 09:02

[funkyrobot]

GCH said:

funkyrobot said:

However, if you buy a song over iTunes, it's stuck in your system only (unless there is a way of cracking the system). It's a ridiculous system and I'm surprised that so many people buy into it.

Music purchased from iTunes is DRM free, and has been since 2009

I stand corrected.

So, if I get a track through iTunes, I can take the file and put it on another device?

[Nardies]

funkyrobot said:

I stand corrected.

So, if I get a track through iTunes, I can take the file and put it on another device?

In a word, yes.

[Koofler]

currybum said:

PW said:

bad company said:

So you read all the t&c's? What about terms for PayPal, your bank, credit cards, Amazon & even PH. Presumably you read all of them.

If they're that important that I'd be really upset if something bad happened - yes, because ignoring them is not the same as them not existing.

I also take the stairs if there are a lot of them, rather than jumping out the window.

Do you really read all the T&C's?

I know someone who tired that for a week..

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/15/...

Didn't have much time for anything else.

The last time I looked, the T&C's just for iTunes ran to a staggering 84 pages. 84 fking pages. I've signed business contracts far shorter than that.

[98elise]

rscott said:

98elise said:

I'm the same. I only buy stuff that charges from micro USB. I want it to change from what it probably the most common charging cable in the world. Same goes for extra memory. I want an SD slot so that I can drop a huge card in when I need it.

And be able to swap the battery for a spare if it goes flat. Just got a genuine LG battery (and charger/case) for my LG G4 for all of £20.

Yep good point. I have a few spare normal batteries, + a massive spare that needs a different back plate on my Samsung. It has about 4x the capacity of a normal phone battery and has served me well on long plane/train journeys.

Pretty much all of the things that are important to me in a phone are just not an option with Apple.

[otolith]

When I need additional charging away from a plug socket, I use an external 12000mAh power bank.

I don't use all of the memory on the device.

I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.

I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.