Apple bricking iPhones that have been 3rd party repaired
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Not as far as I can see.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
If the issues on that thread referred to an iPhone, I'm pretty sure what fix someone would have suggested by now...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
If the issues on that thread referred to an iPhone, I'm pretty sure what fix someone would have suggested by now...
otolith said:
When I need additional charging away from a plug socket, I use an external 12000mAh power bank.
I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
Yes, Apple certainly has its fans and to be fair I like the products. I have iPhone, iPad, Mac Book and ab IWatch, but I really they have got this matter very wrong.I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
otolith said:
When I need additional charging away from a plug socket, I use an external 12000mAh power bank.
I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
I have an external power bank too - it's just easier and quicker to swap out the battery.I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
I tend to use all the storage - I travel a lot, in poor signal areas and overseas, so it's useful having a lot of music/video available on the device.
Our posts just highlight that we have different requirements to each other, proving the point that the iPhone isn't the ultimate phone, suitable for everyone, as suggested by some posters.
PW said:
The T&C's for iTunes, on Windows, is 6 pages & 1 paragraph in English.
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iTunesForWi...
Most of it is common to all agreements, and it's easy to skim through and find the salient points if it is something really important where you DO need to know, which isn't often.
There's not really a good excuse for keeping yourself deliberately ignorant of important information that directly relates to what companies can/will do to you, your money, or your personal information.
Anyway, the point was more that you can't suddenly say "they can't do this" just because you couldn't be bothered to read the bit where they say they can.
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iTunesForWi...
Most of it is common to all agreements, and it's easy to skim through and find the salient points if it is something really important where you DO need to know, which isn't often.
There's not really a good excuse for keeping yourself deliberately ignorant of important information that directly relates to what companies can/will do to you, your money, or your personal information.
Anyway, the point was more that you can't suddenly say "they can't do this" just because you couldn't be bothered to read the bit where they say they can.
Apple said:
You also agree that you will not use the Apple Software for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture or production of missiles, or nuclear, chemical or biological weapons
otolith said:
When I need additional charging away from a plug socket, I use an external 12000mAh power bank.
I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
Yes, Apple certainly has its fans and to be fair I like the products. I have iPhone, iPad, Mac Book and ab IWatch, but I really they have got this matter very wrong.I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
PW said:
Koofler said:
currybum said:
Do you really read all the T&C's?
The last time I looked, the T&C's just for iTunes ran to a staggering 84 pages. 84 f
king pages. I've signed business contracts far shorter than that.http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iTunesForWi...
Most of it is common to all agreements, and it's easy to skim through and find the salient points if it is something really important where you DO need to know, which isn't often.
There's not really a good excuse for keeping yourself deliberately ignorant of important information that directly relates to what companies can/will do to you, your money, or your personal information.
Anyway, the point was more that you can't suddenly say "they can't do this" just because you couldn't be bothered to read the bit where they say they can.
Koofler said:
PW said:
Koofler said:
currybum said:
Do you really read all the T&C's?
The last time I looked, the T&C's just for iTunes ran to a staggering 84 pages. 84 fking pages. I've signed business contracts far shorter than that.http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iTunesForWi...
Most of it is common to all agreements, and it's easy to skim through and find the salient points if it is something really important where you DO need to know, which isn't often.
There's not really a good excuse for keeping yourself deliberately ignorant of important information that directly relates to what companies can/will do to you, your money, or your personal information.
Anyway, the point was more that you can't suddenly say "they can't do this" just because you couldn't be bothered to read the bit where they say they can.
alock said:
Koofler said:
PW said:
Koofler said:
currybum said:
Do you really read all the T&C's?
The last time I looked, the T&C's just for iTunes ran to a staggering 84 pages. 84 fking pages. I've signed business contracts far shorter than that.http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iTunesForWi...
Most of it is common to all agreements, and it's easy to skim through and find the salient points if it is something really important where you DO need to know, which isn't often.
There's not really a good excuse for keeping yourself deliberately ignorant of important information that directly relates to what companies can/will do to you, your money, or your personal information.
Anyway, the point was more that you can't suddenly say "they can't do this" just because you couldn't be bothered to read the bit where they say they can.
I can't believe that there still hasn't been some form of more in depth statement by Apple yet.
Edited by Koofler on Wednesday 10th February 16:56
I can see the security reasons behind what they are doing - but how they have implemented it and handled the issue coming up is pretty atrocious. Not necessarily nefariously (as previous posters have mentioned it's a situation that pretty much screams classic Hanlon's razor) but the end result is a bucket load of crap for the customers - and I think it's a safe bet that this will screw over many, many more innocent customers then nasty thieves. Add in that TouchID is already broken in ways that don't require the replacement of the sensor and I think the reduction in risk is pretty small compared to the impact on legitimate customers just trying to use their legitimate phones..
From what I've read on the issue the check for an unauthorised sensor only happens at the software upgrade point so if we are thinking about our criminal gang that is mucking about with the TouchID sensor to hack people's ApplePay accounts all they have to do if they get a phone in pre-iOS9 is..erm...not upgrade it? Now I'm not really up on the latest trends in the world of the criminals but I doubt upgrading to the latest iOS is the first thing they do while trying to compromise someone's ApplePay account?
I know that Apple will have had pressure from the card schemes around doing everything they can to try and keep the payment details secure, and quite rightly so, I can also understand (just) how the implications of something like this on legitimate customers could have been missed at an organisation of the size of Apple preventing them from having a plan in place to communicate to customers and give them a decent way out until it could be properly remedied (even if that was just some advice prior to installing the update saying "Don't install this update if you have had your phone repaired other than by an Authorised repairer". But understandable or not it's still a fk up from Apple - and the right thing to do now would be for them to hold their hands up, admit they fked up and take some action to help customers out. We'll see what happens but I have to say that the form book is not on their side here - Apple very rarely admits mistakes and even more rarely does the decent thing to rectify them, they aren't alone in this and to be fair most companies generally only "do the right thing" when the effect on the bottom line is less than just ignoring it and waiting it out. Apple is something of an extreme case though - after some of the clusterfks that have just slid off their teflon shoulders I really do wonder what they would have to get wrong to really tarnish their halo.
From what I've read on the issue the check for an unauthorised sensor only happens at the software upgrade point so if we are thinking about our criminal gang that is mucking about with the TouchID sensor to hack people's ApplePay accounts all they have to do if they get a phone in pre-iOS9 is..erm...not upgrade it? Now I'm not really up on the latest trends in the world of the criminals but I doubt upgrading to the latest iOS is the first thing they do while trying to compromise someone's ApplePay account?
I know that Apple will have had pressure from the card schemes around doing everything they can to try and keep the payment details secure, and quite rightly so, I can also understand (just) how the implications of something like this on legitimate customers could have been missed at an organisation of the size of Apple preventing them from having a plan in place to communicate to customers and give them a decent way out until it could be properly remedied (even if that was just some advice prior to installing the update saying "Don't install this update if you have had your phone repaired other than by an Authorised repairer". But understandable or not it's still a f
k up from Apple - and the right thing to do now would be for them to hold their hands up, admit they fked up and take some action to help customers out. We'll see what happens but I have to say that the form book is not on their side here - Apple very rarely admits mistakes and even more rarely does the decent thing to rectify them, they aren't alone in this and to be fair most companies generally only "do the right thing" when the effect on the bottom line is less than just ignoring it and waiting it out. Apple is something of an extreme case though - after some of the clusterfks that have just slid off their teflon shoulders I really do wonder what they would have to get wrong to really tarnish their halo.otolith said:
When I need additional charging away from a plug socket, I use an external 12000mAh power bank.
I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
Yes, Apple certainly has its fans and to be fair I like the products. I have iPhone, iPad, Mac Book and ab IWatch, but I really they have got this matter very wrong.I don't use all of the memory on the device.
I don't feel any need to customise or personalise it in any way. It's a phone and a handheld utility computer, not an expression of my personality.
I get why other phones meet some people's needs and wants better, but it's interesting that every thread about iPhones turns into an advocacy war.
davek_964 said:
George111 said:
davek_964 said:
Personally, I think it's exactly that. They are absolutely the masters of marketing - in fact, I think you proved that yourself by the statement that Android devices are "cheap" compared to Apple devices being expensive.
What exactly makes your phone worth twice as much as my phone, other than brand value - aka marketing?
It's not marketing - it's product development. Apple have 1000's of usability analysts who make sure the products feel and look and handle well - and they are very successful. Nothing on the phone market is as smooth as an iPhone 6 - they are not as slick, intuitive and usable as an Apple iPhone. What exactly makes your phone worth twice as much as my phone, other than brand value - aka marketing?
So the value of the product (hardware plus software plus associated services, like iCloud) is greater than anything on Android right now, because of the deep and long development which has made it what it is today.
Pretty much all mobile phone manufacturers invest a huge amount in R&D, including useability. Apple are not even close to being unique in this. The fact that they are so massively profitable - and much of that comes from the iphone - also kind of proves that the cost of them is NOT to cover high R&D costs.
As I previously said - I have tried an iphone and I found it incredibly frustrating. Some things that I do with my Android phone I couldn't do with an iphone. Unless something fundamental changes - which is unlikely, because Apple seem to have a market now where they could take the error 53 situation even further and self destruct the phone killing the potential thief and STILL the fanboys would say "well, at least my phone is secure!" - I will never have an iphone. In my opinion, it is worse than the phone I have in many ways. If it cost the same, or even half as much I wouldn't want one - I really do not understand the fuss.
And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that
George111 said:
Believer ? Just a user who wants a good product. This thread is populated by Android fanboys who can't see past the end of their noses
And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that
Actually I have a Lumia 635 and am really impressed by Windows 10 Mobile so can't wait for any confirmation of a Surface phone. So much for your "can't see past the end of your noses" problem.And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that
I guess by the last comment of yours that it is ok for you to have criteria for your choice of phone but not others?
Tycho said:
George111 said:
Believer ? Just a user who wants a good product. This thread is populated by Android fanboys who can't see past the end of their noses
And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that
Actually I have a Lumia 635 and am really impressed by Windows 10 Mobile so can't wait for any confirmation of a Surface phone. So much for your "can't see past the end of your noses" problem.And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that
I guess by the last comment of yours that it is ok for you to have criteria for your choice of phone but not others?
I also had a Windows phone, but it was given to me by Microsoft so I didn't, fortunately, have to spend my own money on it. The camera was great (Lumia 1020) but the rest was woeful and its no surprise they're being dropped.
George111 said:
Tycho said:
George111 said:
Believer ? Just a user who wants a good product. This thread is populated by Android fanboys who can't see past the end of their noses
And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that
Actually I have a Lumia 635 and am really impressed by Windows 10 Mobile so can't wait for any confirmation of a Surface phone. So much for your "can't see past the end of your noses" problem.And as for the people who said they only buy products which charge from usb, for Pete's sake - does that really drive your choices in life ? I'm not really quite sure what to say about that
I guess by the last comment of yours that it is ok for you to have criteria for your choice of phone but not others?
I also had a Windows phone, but it was given to me by Microsoft so I didn't, fortunately, have to spend my own money on it. The camera was great (Lumia 1020) but the rest was woeful and its no surprise they're being dropped.
k me, we have the ghost of Jobs here.George111 said:
What does the hanger or socket have to do with the functionality, reliability or general swish-ness of a phone ?
If your new coat kept on falling off your normal hanging rail because the hanger it came on is only compatible with some stupidly expensive hanging rail system produced by one specific wardrobe manufacturer, then you might start to get a bit peed off with it, especially if the coat was designed in such a way as to prevent using any normal hanger with it...
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