Apple bricking iPhones that have been 3rd party repaired

[plasticpig]

George111 said:

That's not correct. Everybody has agreed that Apple's communication was poor, or, perhaps terrible, or even dismal. No argument there.

Bricking the iPhone is THE ONLY way to deal with it, what else could they do, pop up a little message saying don't worry, you may or may not be a thief trying to access the bank account of Mr iPhone owner but if you tell us you're not by placing a tick in this box, we'll let you carry on but if we find out later that you are a thief we will have to report you to the plod ?

I think you probably don't understand the issue hence you're not letting go . . .

They could disable the fingerprint API and treat the device like one which didn't have a fingerprint scanner.

[Tycho]

plasticpig said:

George111 said:

That's not correct. Everybody has agreed that Apple's communication was poor, or, perhaps terrible, or even dismal. No argument there.

Bricking the iPhone is THE ONLY way to deal with it, what else could they do, pop up a little message saying don't worry, you may or may not be a thief trying to access the bank account of Mr iPhone owner but if you tell us you're not by placing a tick in this box, we'll let you carry on but if we find out later that you are a thief we will have to report you to the plod ?

I think you probably don't understand the issue hence you're not letting go . . .

They could disable the fingerprint API and treat the device like one which didn't have a fingerprint scanner.

If there is one person on this thread who you aren't going to convince that the almighty Apple did something wrong/stupid then it is him.

[bad company]

plasticpig said:

They could disable the fingerprint API and treat the device like one which didn't have a fingerprint scanner.

Spot on.

[Some Gump]

otolith said:

I would say an ordinary user makes calls, sends texts, takes photographs, browses the web, uses email. Stuff that every smartphone on the market does, irrespective of OS or manufacturer. They also install applications, most of which don't do anything particularly OS specific. What have you got in mind that Android does and iOS doesn't, that ordinary users need?

Flash
Webm
Sd card or similar
Ad blocker on web
Not bend because in pocket
Not have a well known fault on the lock button that is somehow not a repairatbe fault in warranty period because "that serial number is not affected
Not require specific software installed to talk of my work laptop

These are my specific wants the iPhone 6 misses. Several of them affect my wife's iPhone.
Her iPhone has many, many plus points compared to my blackberry. However, to imply that the iPhone is somehow perfect, beyond any criticism is really quite daft.

No wonder you lot don't care about audio quality, you seem incapable of listening to someone else's take on life.

[Craikeybaby]

It isn't the update that causes the iPhone to be bricked, it is the act of updating. When the iPhone updates it checks in with Apple's servers to ensure the security features (amongst others) are all present and correct. See https://theoverspill.wordpress.com/2016/02/08/expl... and the Apple security document linked from that article.

I agree that it hasn't been handled effectively, but I'm not too sure how it could be done differently as this check happens at such a low level of the software stack.

At the risk of reigniting the headphone socket debate I am looking forward to the 3.5mm socket being replaced, so that noise cancelling earbuds that can be powered from the phone, rather than a bulky battery pack can be brought out.

[funkyrobot]

George111 said:

No, when you have Apple TV, iPad, iPhone and Mac then you have a complete life, your life is whole, like having children and grand children, all well educated and happy, life is complete. What more is there other than perhaps 6 pocket trousers to carry more of the little critters ?

Seriously, this thread lost all credibility when: (a) the Fandroid people refused to accept and/or understand the critical nature of the security risk and (b) they started using the word "fanboi" and criticising anybody who likes Apple products.

The same security feature will be present in any phone or device which permits the swapping of a biometric interface outside of an authorised environment and this is going to get worse over time, not better.

I love the way people are automatically labelled Android fans if they don't praise Apple.

There are more than two types of phone available.

[ZesPak]

Craikeybaby said:

I agree that it hasn't been handled effectively, but I'm not too sure how it could be done differently as this check happens at such a low level of the software stack.

As said, disable fingerprint API.

Craikeybaby said:

At the risk of reigniting the headphone socket debate I am looking forward to the 3.5mm socket being replaced, so that noise cancelling earbuds that can be powered from the phone, rather than a bulky battery pack can be brought out.

The problem is that in this market, Apple are probably the only ones who can get away with it without a huge impact on sales.
And then you have the problem it's Apple. So the "standard" won't get very far and peripherals will be a lot more expensive than their regular counterparts (Firewire, Thunderbolt,...). Noise cancelling earbuds are a good example, but then you'll have headphones that work with nothing but your iPhone/iPad.

[Halmyre]

ZesPak said:

Craikeybaby said:

I agree that it hasn't been handled effectively, but I'm not too sure how it could be done differently as this check happens at such a low level of the software stack.

As said, disable fingerprint API.

Craikeybaby said:

At the risk of reigniting the headphone socket debate I am looking forward to the 3.5mm socket being replaced, so that noise cancelling earbuds that can be powered from the phone, rather than a bulky battery pack can be brought out.

The problem is that in this market, Apple are probably the only ones who can get away with it without a huge impact on sales.
And then you have the problem it's Apple. So the "standard" won't get very far and peripherals will be a lot more expensive than their regular counterparts (Firewire, Thunderbolt,...). Noise cancelling earbuds are a good example, but then you'll have headphones that work with nothing but your iPhone/iPad.

Surely battery life is bad enough without powering a set of earphones as well? Replacing the 3.5mm jack smacks of reinventing the wheel, besides, how much thinner could phones realistically get without it? And then there's the impact on the after-market ear/headphone industry, although no doubt Apple are salivating at the thought of charging royalties on a patented audio connector.

[ZesPak]

Halmyre said:

Surely battery life is bad enough without powering a set of earphones as well? Replacing the 3.5mm jack smacks of reinventing the wheel, besides, how much thinner could phones realistically get without it? And then there's the impact on the after-market ear/headphone industry, although no doubt Apple are salivating at the thought of charging royalties on a patented audio connector.

Oh god, I just had a mental

"this cable or accessory is not certified and may not work with this iPhone" pop up when connecting earbuds.

[Tycho]

Halmyre said:

ZesPak said:

Craikeybaby said:

I agree that it hasn't been handled effectively, but I'm not too sure how it could be done differently as this check happens at such a low level of the software stack.

As said, disable fingerprint API.

Craikeybaby said:

At the risk of reigniting the headphone socket debate I am looking forward to the 3.5mm socket being replaced, so that noise cancelling earbuds that can be powered from the phone, rather than a bulky battery pack can be brought out.

The problem is that in this market, Apple are probably the only ones who can get away with it without a huge impact on sales.
And then you have the problem it's Apple. So the "standard" won't get very far and peripherals will be a lot more expensive than their regular counterparts (Firewire, Thunderbolt,...). Noise cancelling earbuds are a good example, but then you'll have headphones that work with nothing but your iPhone/iPad.

Surely battery life is bad enough without powering a set of earphones as well? Replacing the 3.5mm jack smacks of reinventing the wheel, besides, how much thinner could phones realistically get without it? And then there's the impact on the after-market ear/headphone industry, although no doubt Apple are salivating at the thought of charging royalties on a patented audio connector.

TBH I have a pair of Sony earbuds which are noise cancelling and are powered by the phone and I haven't noticed any impact on battery life.

[p1stonhead]

This thread on an apple fan site is hilarious.

People actually trying to justify it. God people are such wierd creatures. Blind devotion to the end.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-facing-c...

[funkyrobot]

p1stonhead said:

This thread on an apple fan site is hilarious.

People actually trying to justify it. God people are such wierd creatures. Blind devotion to the end.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-facing-c...

Second comment :

'#3
So... They made third-party repairs, which annulled their warranty, and bricked their phone and now they're suing? Why does Apple owe them anything, exactly? Didn't they agree to Apple's terms when they purchased the device?'

[Crush]

p1stonhead said:

This thread on an apple fan site is hilarious.

People actually trying to justify it. God people are such wierd creatures. Blind devotion to the end.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-facing-c...

It's like reading an Open University text book. Their loving devotion to all things Apple (whilst struggling to support students using Apple ) was quite nauseating

[Tycho]

p1stonhead said:

This thread on an apple fan site is hilarious.

People actually trying to justify it. God people are such wierd creatures. Blind devotion to the end.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-facing-c...

It really is bizarre and mirrored in this thread to a certain extent. I don't know why there wasn't a warning on the screen before updating the phone that if you have had the touch id replaced at a non apple store then don't do the upgrade and go to the apple store to get it sorted.

I know apple fans will say that you'd warn anyone trying to compromise the device that it will be bricked but lets be honest, if you are trying to hack the device then the last thing you would do it apply any updates.

[cirian75]

my 2 penneth

It is important for apple to take steps to protect the touch ID as it is key to the apple pay system.

But, to totally brick the phones is not the way to do it, they should have just reduced the functionality and disabled the use of apple pay and bought apps in the app store, and flashed repeated warning on screen RE the touch ID being disabled as its had been compromised.

Yours, an android fan boy.

[p1stonhead]

A good analogy I saw was that say you bought an after market key for your car and had it coded. Then, and this is the important bit bit, after the replacement key working for months(!), you take the car to a main dealer for say a service (software update) and they put your car in a crusher because you had said aftermarket key. They did this without telling you and then shrugged their shoulders at you and tried to make you buy a new car.

Its spot on and really shows how fking mental Apple's position on this is.

[Craikeybaby]

Craikeybaby said:

I agree that it hasn't been handled effectively, but I'm not too sure how it could be done differently as this check happens at such a low level of the software stack.

As said, disable fingerprint API.

The problem is that the check is performed so low down the software stack. Also it isn't the fingerprint data that is at risk, it is the crypto algorithms for the payments, even if using them was disabled, the modified hardware could be leaking the data out. Without a big change to the security architecture the best Apple can do is give a more meaningful error message and re-replace the dodgy parts (much like how Vauxhall are replacing the dodgy replacement resistors which caused Zafiras to catch fire). I understand some Apple shops are doing this.

ZesPak said:

Craikeybaby said:

At the risk of reigniting the headphone socket debate I am looking forward to the 3.5mm socket being replaced, so that noise cancelling earbuds that can be powered from the phone, rather than a bulky battery pack can be brought out.

The problem is that in this market, Apple are probably the only ones who can get away with it without a huge impact on sales.
And then you have the problem it's Apple. So the "standard" won't get very far and peripherals will be a lot more expensive than their regular counterparts (Firewire, Thunderbolt,...). Noise cancelling earbuds are a good example, but then you'll have headphones that work with nothing but your iPhone/iPad.

I only use earphones with my iPhone and have been put off the current range of noise cancelling earbuds due to the bulky battery/processing module - if that could be replaced by the phone then great. Current noise cancelling earbuds currently sell with Apple/Android options, priced the same.

Bluetooth is another option, which would be cross compatible.

Edited by Craikeybaby on Friday 12th February 13:22

[audi321]

p1stonhead said:

A good analogy I saw was that say you bought an after market key for your car and had it coded. Then, and this is the important bit bit, after the replacement key working for months(!), you take the car to a main dealer for say a service (software update) and they put your car in a crusher because you had said aftermarket key. They did this without telling you and then shrugged their shoulders at you and tried to make you buy a new car.

Its spot on and really shows how fking mental Apple's position on this is.

Noooooooooo....come on.....they've not crushed it, that's simply not fair.....

They've just left you with it rendered useless on their forecourt, awaiting a solution to the problem

[p1stonhead]

audi321 said:

p1stonhead said:

A good analogy I saw was that say you bought an after market key for your car and had it coded. Then, and this is the important bit bit, after the replacement key working for months(!), you take the car to a main dealer for say a service (software update) and they put your car in a crusher because you had said aftermarket key. They did this without telling you and then shrugged their shoulders at you and tried to make you buy a new car.

Its spot on and really shows how fking mental Apple's position on this is.

Noooooooooo....come on.....they've not crushed it, that's simply not fair.....

They've just left you with it rendered useless on their forecourt, awaiting a solution to the problem

Oh thats much better

[cirian75]

p1stonhead said:

audi321 said:

p1stonhead said:

A good analogy I saw was that say you bought an after market key for your car and had it coded. Then, and this is the important bit bit, after the replacement key working for months(!), you take the car to a main dealer for say a service (software update) and they put your car in a crusher because you had said aftermarket key. They did this without telling you and then shrugged their shoulders at you and tried to make you buy a new car.

Its spot on and really shows how fking mental Apple's position on this is.

Noooooooooo....come on.....they've not crushed it, that's simply not fair.....

They've just left you with it rendered useless on their forecourt, awaiting a solution to the problem

Oh thats much better

yeah, they took the wiring loom and ECU of the car and left you with it.