Apple Watch relegated to the junk drawer

[weeboot]

Munter said:

The only thing there that might be useful is paying for things. But I find a contactless card works fine.

Messages etc are checked when I have time not when they arrive. If it's urgent people will phone me and if it's convenient I will answer, if it's not they leave a message and I get back to them.

If I'm in the car I use the controls on the wheel next to my thumb to answer the phone which connects via bluetooth.

You've got to stop letting the rest of the world run your life.

All notifications get dealt with at time of generation, therefore I don't need to spend any chunks of time managing my mailbox.
Get a notification from outlook, check it, archive/delete it from my wrist, don't worry about it.

[Don]

Munter said:

The only thing there that might be useful is paying for things. But I find a contactless card works fine.

I work in Financial Services software. Contactless cards are a massive security hole and hence they're limited to £30 to limit exposure in the event of one being stolen. Personally I think that's too much!

Contactless payments through Watch and iPhone have 2FA (two factor authentication) that means it is MUCH harder to commit fraud with. A stolen device is a LOT less likely to lose you money than a stolen card.
If I could I'd get the banks to withdraw contactless cards and only accept device based payments. There aren't enough suitable devices in consumers hands to do that......yet. But I sincerely hope it will come.

Munter said:

Messages etc are checked when I have time not when they arrive. If it's urgent people will phone me and if it's convenient I will answer, if it's not they leave a message and I get back to them.

If I'm in the car I use the controls on the wheel next to my thumb to answer the phone which connects via bluetooth.

You've got to stop letting the rest of the world run your life.

What? The rest of the world doesn't run my life! I DO! I just do it with tools that work for me. Other people find the tools that work for me don't work for them - which is fine.

Personally I loathe telephone calls, for example, as they are so intrusive. In my line of work a bloomin' phone call breaks the train of thinking and it's not a lost five minutes, it's a lost half hour. Messages can be assessed at a glance and safely ignored or action taken - and I'd much rather get one of those then a call for exactly the reason you describe: deal with it when I have time, not when they arrive.

A lot is in how you use these things. You see people glued to their phones half the day. That's not my world, if it was, maybe Watch wouldn't work for me the way it does...

[Hoofy]

Don said:

Contactless payments through Watch and iPhone have 2FA (two factor authentication) that means it is MUCH harder to commit fraud with.

Why's that then?

[Silent1]

Hoofy said:

Don said:

Contactless payments through Watch and iPhone have 2FA (two factor authentication) that means it is MUCH harder to commit fraud with.

Why's that then?

Very simply put, a contactless card just provides the same data to the reader every time, whereas a device each time you pay uses some data and an algorithm to produce a number that is unique to that transaction, they also usually require you to enter a pin/passcode somewhere in the process whereas a card once the data is captured doesn't even require the card.

[Hoofy]

Silent1 said:

Very simply put, a contactless card just provides the same data to the reader every time, whereas a device each time you pay uses some data and an algorithm to produce a number that is unique to that transaction, they also usually require you to enter a pin/passcode somewhere in the process whereas a card once the data is captured doesn't even require the card.

Ok, but then isn't the point of contactless so you don't have type a pin!?

Also, if I put a gun to your face and demand you hand over your watch, why can't I then buy a Twix?

[Silent1]

Hoofy said:

Silent1 said:

Very simply put, a contactless card just provides the same data to the reader every time, whereas a device each time you pay uses some data and an algorithm to produce a number that is unique to that transaction, they also usually require you to enter a pin/passcode somewhere in the process whereas a card once the data is captured doesn't even require the card.

Ok, but then isn't the point of contactless so you don't have type a pin!?

Also, if I put a gun to your face and demand you hand over your watch, why can't I then buy a Twix?

The pin is usually unlocking the phone or a fingerprint, although on the Apple Watch it has wrist presence which means basically you put your pin in when you put it on and it's not required again unless you take it off and to pay you just double press a button.

So when you hand over he watch it would lock it with a pin as you take it off.

[Hoofy]

Silent1 said:

The pin is usually unlocking the phone or a fingerprint, although on the Apple Watch it has wrist presence which means basically you put your pin in when you put it on and it's not required again unless you take it off and to pay you just double press a button.

So when you hand over he watch it would lock it with a pin as you take it off.

Ah, I see!

GIVE ME THE PIN OR I'LL CUT YA!

[Silent1]

Hoofy said:

Ah, I see!

GIVE ME THE PIN OR I'LL CUT YA!

Exactly! But thieves are idiots!

[Munter]

Don said:

Personally I loathe telephone calls, for example, as they are so intrusive. In my line of work a bloomin' phone call breaks the train of thinking and it's not a lost five minutes, it's a lost half hour. Messages can be assessed at a glance and safely ignored or action taken - and I'd much rather get one of those then a call for exactly the reason you describe: deal with it when I have time, not when they arrive.

A lot is in how you use these things. You see people glued to their phones half the day. That's not my world, if it was, maybe Watch wouldn't work for me the way it does...

So why do you need the watch? It still seems totally pointless given what you are saying. If messages calls etc can wait until it's convenient for you. Why wear the watch to tell you you have received a message. Unless you are going to ignore the notification, at which point it becomes useless, and you could just silence the phone and check the phone, rather than the watch, at a convenient point.

The only point to the watch appears to be to let other people interrupt you easier. I just don't see how what you are saying supports the watch as a useful thing. It's just the same information on another device. A device it's harder to get away from.

You seem to be saying you'd sooner be glued to your watch half the day, than your phone. Like that's a better option.

Apart from payments, what is the watch doing that the phone doesn't?

[Hoofy]

Munter said:

So why do you need the watch? It still seems totally pointless given what you are saying. If messages calls etc can wait until it's convenient for you. Why wear the watch to tell you you have received a message. Unless you are going to ignore the notification, at which point it becomes useless, and you could just silence the phone and check the phone, rather than the watch, at a convenient point.

Apart from payments, what is the watch doing that the phone doesn't?

For my personal experience
a) some calls and messages are more important
b) you can't subtly check your phone like you can a watch.

[Bungleaio]

To me it's like the ipad. I was perfectly happy before I had an ipad but now I have one I wouldn't want to be without one.

There's no need for the watch but I like it so I'll keep wearing it and using it.

[Munter]

Hoofy said:

Munter said:

So why do you need the watch? It still seems totally pointless given what you are saying. If messages calls etc can wait until it's convenient for you. Why wear the watch to tell you you have received a message. Unless you are going to ignore the notification, at which point it becomes useless, and you could just silence the phone and check the phone, rather than the watch, at a convenient point.

Apart from payments, what is the watch doing that the phone doesn't?

For my personal experience
a) some calls and messages are more important
b) you can't subtly check your phone like you can a watch.

But again both of those are putting other people in other places in control of what you are doing. Personally I couldn't live my life constantly at the beck and call of other people that way.
a)I've never known anybody send a text based message for something important. I.e. Your wife's had a massive car crash get here asap. Anything else isn't as important as people think. It's only important because you can make it important to you. The world doesn't stop if you are sick for a day, all messages can wait at least 1/2 a day if you're doing other things and don't have time to check them. Anything that's time important will be a phone call, and lots of them in a short time, across multiple devices, and probably from several people.
b)If you need to be subtle, you shouldn't be doing it at all.

As far as I'm concerned, what's important is "what you are doing now". At some point "what you are doing now" should be checking messages and deciding what needs a response, but not all the time while doing everything else. That way madness is.

[Durzel]

If it's obvious you're checking your watch for more than just the time, which takes a mere glance, then practically it's no different to taking out your phone to respond to the same event mid conversation. It's just as rude, the device is just different.

I agree with the above, there really isn't anything that important happening on Facebook, Twitter or even text that wouldn't be handled more appropriately by a phone call.

[Hoofy]

Munter said:

Hoofy said:

Munter said:

So why do you need the watch? It still seems totally pointless given what you are saying. If messages calls etc can wait until it's convenient for you. Why wear the watch to tell you you have received a message. Unless you are going to ignore the notification, at which point it becomes useless, and you could just silence the phone and check the phone, rather than the watch, at a convenient point.

Apart from payments, what is the watch doing that the phone doesn't?

For my personal experience
a) some calls and messages are more important
b) you can't subtly check your phone like you can a watch.

But again both of those are putting other people in other places in control of what you are doing. Personally I couldn't live my life constantly at the beck and call of other people that way.
a)I've never known anybody send a text based message for something important. I.e. Your wife's had a massive car crash get here asap. Anything else isn't as important as people think. It's only important because you can make it important to you. The world doesn't stop if you are sick for a day, all messages can wait at least 1/2 a day if you're doing other things and don't have time to check them. Anything that's time important will be a phone call, and lots of them in a short time, across multiple devices, and probably from several people.
b)If you need to be subtle, you shouldn't be doing it at all.

As far as I'm concerned, what's important is "what you are doing now". At some point "what you are doing now" should be checking messages and deciding what needs a response, but not all the time while doing everything else. That way madness is.

Obviously. I'll be looking out for messages or calls that are really important (without going into detail) and I need to know now. I don't mean, "See you at the piss up tonight!" or the sorts of texts you think people send when they are mistaking you for Facebook.

If it helps you to understand, I run my own business.

[bad company]

I'm in London today and have my IWatch to pay the tube fare and to navigate my around the streets.

Love it. 👍

[Hoofy]

bad company said:

I'm in London today and have my IWatch to pay the tube fare and to navigate my around the streets.

Love it. ??

st for texting, though, eh?

[Munter]

Hoofy said:

bad company said:

I'm in London today and have my IWatch to pay the tube fare and to navigate my around the streets.

Love it. ??

st for texting, though, eh?

Nobody mentioned navigation before.

Even so. Your phone does that and you don't have to look at it. Enter destination, put headphone in, walk, follow directions, check screen occasionally if you need too.

The only actual feature* anybody has mentioned that's any identifiable use so far, is paying for things.

• Wanting it because it's a gadget and you like gadgets is a good reason. But it's not a feature.

Otherwise it's either encouraging you into bad and anti-productive behaviour, or duplicating features on a device you already have on your person.

The iWatch. A more secure and slightly easier way to pay for things especially tube travel. (Not including the faf of then splitting business expenses from personal expenses and deciding to get an oyster card/use contactless for one other other to avoid that)

Or.

The iWatch. I like it because I do. There's no real practical justification. I just like it because it exists.

What's so wrong with just accepting the 2nd one?

[Leithen]

I like mine, and continue to wear it.

I find it very useful in several ways. (Not going into detail because that opinion isn't going to change.... )

Besides that, I've always had a 70's fascination toward digital watches. It scratches that itch very nicely.

[weeboot]

Munter said:

Nobody mentioned navigation before.

Even so. Your phone does that and you don't have to look at it. Enter destination, put headphone in, walk, follow directions, check screen occasionally if you need too.

The only actual feature* anybody has mentioned that's any identifiable use so far, is paying for things.

• Wanting it because it's a gadget and you like gadgets is a good reason. But it's not a feature.

Otherwise it's either encouraging you into bad and anti-productive behaviour, or duplicating features on a device you already have on your person.

The iWatch. A more secure and slightly easier way to pay for things especially tube travel. (Not including the faf of then splitting business expenses from personal expenses and deciding to get an oyster card/use contactless for one other other to avoid that)

Or.

The iWatch. I like it because I do. There's no real practical justification. I just like it because it exists.

What's so wrong with just accepting the 2nd one?

Why get so passionate about it? You don't get it, that's fine...

btw, there's no such thing as an Apple iWatch... It's just an Apple Watch.

[Munter]

weeboot said:

Why get so passionate about it? You don't get it, that's fine...

btw, there's no such thing as an Apple iWatch... It's just an Apple Watch.

I find people who try and pass off nothing, as useful information for other people, amusing. It's also not fair for other people reading this stuff to be taken in by it.

If I said sitting around all day in your underpants and not washing, makes you productive as you don't waste time dressing or cleaning, I suspect you'd find that amusing, but post something putting the other point of view.

However if I said sitting around all day in your underpants and not washing, is something I find enjoyable, just because I do and it's my house so I'll do what I want. You'd probably consider that to be a fair (if disgusting) point.