talktlak midlands data centre flooded

[saaby93]

Apparently theyre off line
Any idea where it is and why would it flood?

[Sebring440]

In the midlands I think, and it's really been raining hard there today.

[944fan]

Talk talk really are poor. Data centres should have raised false floors to prevent this kind of thing

[jonny996]

A DC would not be in a location at risk of rain flood, it has to be a major fracture in the chilled water supply.

[jonny996]

944fan said:

Talk talk really are poor. Data centres should have raised false floors to prevent this kind of thing

They have a raised floor for the cool air to be supplied, not to prevent flooding, the electrical connections will be sub floor so they would be affected by flood.
Talk Talk may be poor but is this DC theirs or do they just use a CoLo & if so who else is down?

[mph1977]

also regardless of elevation localised flooding can be achieved in many locations if the draisn and watercourses can't cope with the volume of water deposited

[Fastdruid]

saaby93 said:

Apparently theyre off line
Any idea where it is and why would it flood?

Great Barr Street according to https://www.talktalkbusiness.co.uk/network-status/ "The Great Barr Street Data Centre (GBS) is currently experiencing flooding issues. "

About here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Great+Barr+St,...

It does appear to be right next to a canal.

[mph999]

You've got to be a bit stupid to put your datacentre next to a canal/ river for fairly obvious reasons.

That said, a very major big british company who I shall not name, has a main datacentre in line with a runway at a fairly major airport. When we pointed out to management this probably wasn't a good idea we were told they had considered this, and planes don't crash near runways ...

[Tonsko]

mph999 said:

You've got to be a bit stupid to put your datacentre next to a canal/ river for fairly obvious reasons.

That said, a very major big british company who I shall not name, has a main datacentre in line with a runway at a fairly major airport. When we pointed out to management this probably wasn't a good idea we were told they had considered this, and planes don't crash near runways ...

Haha, if it's who I think it is, I used to work for them. Remember hearing about that. Was it the HP nonstop place for the excise?

Edited by Tonsko on Wednesday 15th June 06:50

[jonny996]

fair few in Hounslow, you can wave to pilots.

[944fan]

jonny996 said:

944fan said:

Talk talk really are poor. Data centres should have raised false floors to prevent this kind of thing

They have a raised floor for the cool air to be supplied, not to prevent flooding, the electrical connections will be sub floor so they would be affected by flood.
Talk Talk may be poor but is this DC theirs or do they just use a CoLo & if so who else is down?

Rackspace's Slough data centre has it raised specifically for flood protection as did the internal centre we had at an office block in London which was in the basement.

[jonny996]

944fan said:

Rackspace's Slough data centre has it raised specifically for flood protection as did the internal centre we had at an office block in London which was in the basement.

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

[GlenMH]

jonny996 said:

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

And the storage and service tanks for the genny? pumps for them wired in to the generator supplied power?

[jonny996]

GlenMH said:

jonny996 said:

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

And the storage and service tanks for the genny? pumps for them wired in to the generator supplied power?

I just cant see a DC with a flooded sub floor still running, it may give you grace time to cleanly shutdown but you would not run it, the humidity would destroy kit. Also the DC director & risk people would be out as who in there right mind develops a DC in any location with the slightest flood risk.

[944fan]

jonny996 said:

GlenMH said:

jonny996 said:

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

And the storage and service tanks for the genny? pumps for them wired in to the generator supplied power?

I just cant see a DC with a flooded sub floor still running, it may give you grace time to cleanly shutdown but you would not run it, the humidity would destroy kit. Also the DC director & risk people would be out as who in there right mind develops a DC in any location with the slightest flood risk.

Its more about it not completely bricking the kit and allowing switch over to DR sites than to continue running swimming in water. It snot my area of expertise as I am a dev but this is what we were told.

[Fastdruid]

jonny996 said:

GlenMH said:

jonny996 said:

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

And the storage and service tanks for the genny? pumps for them wired in to the generator supplied power?

I just cant see a DC with a flooded sub floor still running, it may give you grace time to cleanly shutdown but you would not run it, the humidity would destroy kit. Also the DC director & risk people would be out as who in there right mind develops a DC in any location with the slightest flood risk.

Last personal case I know of a DC flooding it was one on the 1st floor..... a toilet on the floor above broke and the water then ran down into the DC below.

[jonny996]

Fastdruid said:

jonny996 said:

GlenMH said:

jonny996 said:

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

And the storage and service tanks for the genny? pumps for them wired in to the generator supplied power?

I just cant see a DC with a flooded sub floor still running, it may give you grace time to cleanly shutdown but you would not run it, the humidity would destroy kit. Also the DC director & risk people would be out as who in there right mind develops a DC in any location with the slightest flood risk.

Last personal case I know of a DC flooding it was one on the 1st floor..... a toilet on the floor above broke and the water then ran down into the DC below.

again, a DC should have a sealed ceiling which directs any flood from above down the outside walls

[clonmult]

jonny996 said:

Fastdruid said:

jonny996 said:

GlenMH said:

jonny996 said:

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

And the storage and service tanks for the genny? pumps for them wired in to the generator supplied power?

I just cant see a DC with a flooded sub floor still running, it may give you grace time to cleanly shutdown but you would not run it, the humidity would destroy kit. Also the DC director & risk people would be out as who in there right mind develops a DC in any location with the slightest flood risk.

Last personal case I know of a DC flooding it was one on the 1st floor..... a toilet on the floor above broke and the water then ran down into the DC below.

again, a DC should have a sealed ceiling which directs any flood from above down the outside walls

Aye, but this is TalkTalk .... do they do anything the right way?

[Fastdruid]

jonny996 said:

Fastdruid said:

jonny996 said:

GlenMH said:

jonny996 said:

I assume all services where supplied overhead. Also is the UPS & generator all raised?

And the storage and service tanks for the genny? pumps for them wired in to the generator supplied power?

I just cant see a DC with a flooded sub floor still running, it may give you grace time to cleanly shutdown but you would not run it, the humidity would destroy kit. Also the DC director & risk people would be out as who in there right mind develops a DC in any location with the slightest flood risk.

Last personal case I know of a DC flooding it was one on the 1st floor..... a toilet on the floor above broke and the water then ran down into the DC below.

again, a DC should have a sealed ceiling which directs any flood from above down the outside walls

Indeed. Although it didn't actually come through the ceiling but out of the service void on one wall. It should be mentioned it wasn't a purpose built DC, for that stuff we had a colo in London.

Although saying that I've also seen an Air Con unit malfunction and pour enough water out to trigger the flood detectors under the floor.

[saaby93]

Fastdruid said:

Although saying that I've also seen an Air Con unit malfunction and pour enough water out to trigger the flood detectors under the floor.

What happens next - everything power down or huge fans start up to pressurise the room?