Does facebook listen to conversations??

Does facebook listen to conversations??

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ZesPak

24,439 posts

197 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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Johnnytheboy said:
My (differently surnamed) OH's name.
Alright then. He looked up your wife's name on Facebook, saw married to, and clicked on your name.

phil y

548 posts

123 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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In the same vein, my wife had a slightly freaky but likely coincidental email sent to her today.

For the last 5 years or so I've been trying to persuade her that we should move to France. Usually with renewed vigour around this time of year, as a result of the annual holiday there.

This is accompanied by longingly searching for properties at length.

Cue an email she forwarded to me, from John Lewis entitled 'Dreaming of buying abroad?' and offering great rates on overseas payments.

She's convinced it's no coincidence

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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ZesPak said:
Johnnytheboy said:
My (differently surnamed) OH's name.
Alright then. He looked up your wife's name on Facebook, saw married to, and clicked on your name.
Not married, OH not on FB.

Trust me, I've thought this through.

wiggy001

6,545 posts

272 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Johnnytheboy said:
Not married, OH not on FB.

Trust me, I've thought this through.
Post a scan of the invoice (and you address and phone number if not on the invoice) and I'm sure someone here can post a link to your facebook profile.

PS I'm not entirely serious about this.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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IIRC no paperwork was involved, as I say I've thought about this and I can see no plausible way that FB connected us.

I guess it's possible that he emailed my OH and obviously we email each other. But I'm pretty freaked that FB can connect two users through the email account of someone that isn't on there so easily.

S10GTA

12,709 posts

168 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Johnnytheboy said:
IIRC no paperwork was involved, as I say I've thought about this and I can see no plausible way that FB connected us.

I guess it's possible that he emailed my OH and obviously we email each other. But I'm pretty freaked that FB can connect two users through the email account of someone that isn't on there so easily.
Pretty sure this is to do with location. Two phones in the same place for any length of time and an algorithm works out that you might know them.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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S10GTA said:
Johnnytheboy said:
IIRC no paperwork was involved, as I say I've thought about this and I can see no plausible way that FB connected us.

I guess it's possible that he emailed my OH and obviously we email each other. But I'm pretty freaked that FB can connect two users through the email account of someone that isn't on there so easily.
Pretty sure this is to do with location. Two phones in the same place for any length of time and an algorithm works out that you might know them.
Ha, virtually no phone signal here. I for sure have nothing, and at the time had a dumb phone.

PositronicRay

27,084 posts

184 months

Saturday 8th October 2016
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Johnnytheboy said:
S10GTA said:
Johnnytheboy said:
IIRC no paperwork was involved, as I say I've thought about this and I can see no plausible way that FB connected us.

I guess it's possible that he emailed my OH and obviously we email each other. But I'm pretty freaked that FB can connect two users through the email account of someone that isn't on there so easily.
Pretty sure this is to do with location. Two phones in the same place for any length of time and an algorithm works out that you might know them.
Ha, virtually no phone signal here. I for sure have nothing, and at the time had a dumb phone.
Maybe he looked up your profile on FB, sometimes I do this before/after an appointment.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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Interesting...

Me and the missus were sat in bed Facebooking the other night and she was moaning about not sleeping very well. Next morning my "suggested posts" were littered with suggestions for a new bed.

MitchT

15,928 posts

210 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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Happened to me too. Chatting with the OH about something and a related ad popped up on Facebook. It wasn't something I'd ever Googled or something I'd seen in my feed before.

S10GTA

12,709 posts

168 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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Trying to teach my child to ride his bike yesterday and gave him a kinder egg as a reward. Had an advert from kinder about kids riding bikes. Seriously.



Edited by S10GTA on Wednesday 12th October 21:24

Ari

19,353 posts

216 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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S10GTA said:
Pretty sure this is to do with location. Two phones in the same place for any length of time and an algorithm works out that you might know them.
So spend an hour on a train and you'll get all the other passengers as friend suggestions? Seems very unlikely...

S10GTA

12,709 posts

168 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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Ari said:
S10GTA said:
Pretty sure this is to do with location. Two phones in the same place for any length of time and an algorithm works out that you might know them.
So spend an hour on a train and you'll get all the other passengers as friend suggestions? Seems very unlikely...
Fair point. Maybe there is some algorithm that states they must be static for a length of time rather than moving? Just a guess.

Ari

19,353 posts

216 months

Wednesday 12th October 2016
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S10GTA said:
Ari said:
S10GTA said:
Pretty sure this is to do with location. Two phones in the same place for any length of time and an algorithm works out that you might know them.
So spend an hour on a train and you'll get all the other passengers as friend suggestions? Seems very unlikely...
Fair point. Maybe there is some algorithm that states they must be static for a length of time rather than moving? Just a guess.
So spend a night in a hotel and you'll get all the other guests as friend suggestions? Seems very unlikely...

Dr Mike Oxgreen

4,133 posts

166 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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Ari said:
So spend a night in a hotel and you'll get all the other guests as friend suggestions? Seems very unlikely...
It knows that location is a hotel/railway station/shopping centre/etc/etc and can disregard those matches.

It's entirely plausible that two phones spending time together reasonably stationary in a non-public place could trigger a FB friend suggestion. The phones don't have to be in phone coverage or wifi coverage at the time - they can still log their positions offline and then upload the data later when an internet connection is available. Whether FB are actually doing this is debatable, but it's technically possible to use position reports from people's phones and then process that data centrally.

I have always assumed this is roughly how Apple Map's traffic delay data works on roads that don't have traffic cameras. Your phone notices that you're travelling along that road, but making worse progress than would normally be expected, and reports a potential delay. When several people's phones report a delay along that road, it starts showing as amber/red dots on the map.

Are they listening to your conversations continually? Of course not. Don't be so bloody daft. Have any of the conspiracy theorists stopped to consider the extent to which that would totally murder your battery? That's why the "Hey Siri" feature only works when plugged in and can ONLY hear that one phrase - it greatly reduces the processing power (and hence power drain) while it's listening for that phrase, and can then kick in with the full speech recognition processing when necessary. If it did continual full speech processing then the power drain would greatly increase the charging time for your battery.

Edited by Dr Mike Oxgreen on Thursday 13th October 07:54

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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phil y said:
In the same vein, my wife had a slightly freaky but likely coincidental email sent to her today.

For the last 5 years or so I've been trying to persuade her that we should move to France. Usually with renewed vigour around this time of year, as a result of the annual holiday there.

This is accompanied by longingly searching for properties at length.

Cue an email she forwarded to me, from John Lewis entitled 'Dreaming of buying abroad?' and offering great rates on overseas payments.

She's convinced it's no coincidence
If you log in whilst abroad and talk about a specific country in FB from time to time and connect with people in that country (not necessarily just through FB), it's going to know you have an interest in and maybe connections to that country.

Advertisers can choose in the advertising platform to target people with certain interests and demographics. Therefore you become a target if you match those specs.

It's not coincidence that you're targeted, but it's not because they're listening in, either.

Brigand

2,544 posts

170 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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Ari said:
S10GTA said:
Ari said:
S10GTA said:
Pretty sure this is to do with location. Two phones in the same place for any length of time and an algorithm works out that you might know them.
So spend an hour on a train and you'll get all the other passengers as friend suggestions? Seems very unlikely...
Fair point. Maybe there is some algorithm that states they must be static for a length of time rather than moving? Just a guess.
So spend a night in a hotel and you'll get all the other guests as friend suggestions? Seems very unlikely...
There is some truth to this - I read an article recently about a psychologist who found that all of her patients (who had FB) were appearing as "People You May Know" to each other, and her, and it was down to the fact that they all met at her office regularly. Their phones being on and in proximity to each other led the FB algorithms to think they may be friends doing activities together.

okgo

38,193 posts

199 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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It is quite amusing how naive people are to the tech that is out there.

While we don't know for sure about the mic thing, they will have all sorts of clever things going on to suggest friends.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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The PR and legal implications of a third party listening in covertly to private conversations in the way described would be brand-ending.

wiggy001

6,545 posts

272 months

Thursday 13th October 2016
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janesmith1950 said:
The PR and legal implications of a third party listening in covertly to private conversations in the way described would be brand-ending.
If you believe nothing else on this thread, believe this.