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The only people who believe it are the newspapers who think people commenting on YouTube videos are being serious. I honestly don't think anyone has actually done it other than the first video which was on a drop tested phone, and probably earnt more than the phone is worth in views.
Digitalize said:
The only people who believe it are the newspapers who think people commenting on YouTube videos are being serious. I honestly don't think anyone has actually done it other than the first video which was on a drop tested phone, and probably earnt more than the phone is worth in views.
I always thought that... till I met someone who actually made her 6+ waterproof by installing an app.And for anyone else unhappy with their Apple products: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headline...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tqH-Un9SFU
Oh my god... i actually have been laughing for about twenty minutes at the thought of some idiot drilling their iPhone, then playing the rest of the video...
Oh my god... i actually have been laughing for about twenty minutes at the thought of some idiot drilling their iPhone, then playing the rest of the video...
ZesPak said:
survivalist said:
All the studies/teardowns looking at hardware miss the point. Any of the big producers can use foxcon or similar to produce an item at a small premium over the cost of raw materials. The other costs are R&D, software development and ecosystem support; and marketing of course.Based on the last numbers I looked at apple accounts for something like 17% of the smartphone market in terms of revenue but 91% of profit, with Samsung and a few others filling the remaining 9%. - frightening number of manufacturers make a loss.
People inevitably put this down to evil marketing and brainwashed followers. But in reality apple are the only company delivering an integrated software and hardware product that delivers a consistent and well supported offering. Everyone
else is reliant on google android and,in most cases, a load of crappy bloatware - half of it added by Samsung in a failed attempt to add value and the other half added for kickbacks from software companies paying to be included in the vain hope that their services will be seen as invaluable and will see people subscribe in droves.
The first part is the numbers that quantify it, wich we were discussing the second part is the personal justification for paying a premium.People inevitably put this down to evil marketing and brainwashed followers. But in reality apple are the only company delivering an integrated software and hardware product that delivers a consistent and well supported offering. Everyone
else is reliant on google android and,in most cases, a load of crappy bloatware - half of it added by Samsung in a failed attempt to add value and the other half added for kickbacks from software companies paying to be included in the vain hope that their services will be seen as invaluable and will see people subscribe in droves.
I was not missing the point, I was responding to "others have very similar margins". Which they don't.
Your last sentence by the way applies to Apple at least as much as to others. Tie-in into an ecosystem, however flawed, is what most of them are trying to do. Google has another mindset to this as they just want as many people on their services as possible, so their services work well on iOS as well.
I also agree that most smartphone vendors want to lock you into an ecosystem - the big issue there for everyone apart from Apple is that they are replying on a freely available open source OS as their base. As such they find it much harder to deliver value (and in turn, lock in) as fundamentally there isn't a huge amount of lock in - most apps will work across a variety of android based OS. In many cases I'd argue the reverse is true. I get given a lot of android based phones and tablets at work and most of the manufacturer's additions to vanilla android seem either pointless or poorly executed. Familiarity is defintly part of it, no doubt, but the £500+ android phones from Samsung, HTC etc don't feel very polished to me. The hardware is no doubt high quality, but what's the point if the bit you actually interact with isn't?
survivalist said:
I wasn't disputing that other manufacturers struggle to leverage the same margins, I was agreeing with you. What is interesting though how much of that additional margin comes from lower component costs and how much of it comes from being able to maintain a premium price point. As far as I can see the latter is the main reason Apple are so profitable.
? Point is they have a high margin. Look at their older models, still sell for prices which are bonkers considering the hardware they sport.survivalist said:
I also agree that most smartphone vendors want to lock you into an ecosystem - the big issue there for everyone apart from Apple is that they are replying on a freely available open source OS as their base. As such they find it much harder to deliver value (and in turn, lock in) as fundamentally there isn't a huge amount of lock in - most apps will work across a variety of android based OS. In many cases I'd argue the reverse is true.
I get given a lot of android based phones and tablets at work and most of the manufacturer's additions to vanilla android seem either pointless or poorly executed.
I get given a lot of android based phones and tablets at work and most of the manufacturer's additions to vanilla android seem either pointless or poorly executed.
survivalist said:
Familiarity is defintly part of it, no doubt, but the £500+ android phones from Samsung, HTC etc don't feel very polished to me. The hardware is no doubt high quality, but what's the point if the bit you actually interact with isn't?
The biggest part is familiarity. Most people who are used to interact with tech can go either way ime. People who don't want to stick with what they know. I know several in the family that started out with an iPhone and would have a hard time going to Android or WP, but I know at least as much started with a simple Android handset who can't get to grips with an iPhone.That said, in terms of fluency and functionality they come from different sides. Android inheretly has had a major edge in terms of functionality, and nearly everything new in the past 5 years on the iPhones was already on android. Android was behind on making it not stutter and the like. In the past years iOS has caught up with most of the functionality, while Android has caught up with the fluency of the OS. There's just as much junk apps I don't use on iOS as there are on most Android devices. It has taken apple until now to even properly hide them though.
Samsung has toned down their reskinning of android big time and dropped most of it's "replacement services" as well.
In short, it's what you are familiar with. And most of the reason why the switch iOS -> Android would be harder than the other way around is because investment in iCloud services ties you to Apple, while investment in Google services (or MS services even) don't tie you to Android or Windows.
ZesPak said:
The biggest part is familiarity. Most people who are used to interact with tech can go either way ime. People who don't want to stick with what they know. I know several in the family that started out with an iPhone and would have a hard time going to Android or WP, but I know at least as much started with a simple Android handset who can't get to grips with an iPhone.
That said, in terms of fluency and functionality they come from different sides. Android inheretly has had a major edge in terms of functionality, and nearly everything new in the past 5 years on the iPhones was already on android. Android was behind on making it not stutter and the like. In the past years iOS has caught up with most of the functionality, while Android has caught up with the fluency of the OS. There's just as much junk apps I don't use on iOS as there are on most Android devices. It has taken apple until now to even properly hide them though.
Samsung has toned down their reskinning of android big time and dropped most of it's "replacement services" as well.
In short, it's what you are familiar with. And most of the reason why the switch iOS -> Android would be harder than the other way around is because investment in iCloud services ties you to Apple, while investment in Google services (or MS services even) don't tie you to Android or Windows.
it's a fair point. I don't gel with Android, but do with WP and iOS. I'm sure if I gave it more of a go though I would.That said, in terms of fluency and functionality they come from different sides. Android inheretly has had a major edge in terms of functionality, and nearly everything new in the past 5 years on the iPhones was already on android. Android was behind on making it not stutter and the like. In the past years iOS has caught up with most of the functionality, while Android has caught up with the fluency of the OS. There's just as much junk apps I don't use on iOS as there are on most Android devices. It has taken apple until now to even properly hide them though.
Samsung has toned down their reskinning of android big time and dropped most of it's "replacement services" as well.
In short, it's what you are familiar with. And most of the reason why the switch iOS -> Android would be harder than the other way around is because investment in iCloud services ties you to Apple, while investment in Google services (or MS services even) don't tie you to Android or Windows.
I think the issue with android is in the size of the platform. There are so many different phones, no matter how good the latest Samsung is, it will get tarnished by the same brush as the Chinese knockoff phones.
I would suggest if Samsung wants to make itself stand out more and become as iconic as the iphone, then it needs to start developing (if it hasn't already) apps specific only to the Samsung.
Much like Nokia did with windows phone a few years back.
Apps like Nokia Drive/Here+, Nokia Maps, Mokia Music/MixRadio etc were awesome. A big awesome music app that's free/cheap like Mixradio would dominate the market.
Being so iconic, and the only version, the iphone is so much easier to talk about, to integrate into vehicles, accessories etc. You can't say the same with android as an ulephone won't fit in the same dock as an s6.
Efbe said:
I think the issue with android is in the size of the platform. There are so many different phones, no matter how good the latest Samsung is, it will get tarnished by the same brush as the Chinese knockoff phones.
I would suggest if Samsung wants to make itself stand out more and become as iconic as the iphone, then it needs to start developing (if it hasn't already) apps specific only to the Samsung.
Much like Nokia did with windows phone a few years back.
Apps like Nokia Drive/Here+, Nokia Maps, Mokia Music/MixRadio etc were awesome. A big awesome music app that's free/cheap like Mixradio would dominate the market.
Nooo! I would suggest if Samsung wants to make itself stand out more and become as iconic as the iphone, then it needs to start developing (if it hasn't already) apps specific only to the Samsung.
Much like Nokia did with windows phone a few years back.
Apps like Nokia Drive/Here+, Nokia Maps, Mokia Music/MixRadio etc were awesome. A big awesome music app that's free/cheap like Mixradio would dominate the market.
I think they should go the other way. Vanilla Android would be heaven on the Galaxy and Note phones with those screens and those cameras.
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