House rewire, modem router and cat 6 question????
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Please excuse my lack of IT prowess :S
Had my house rewired and the electrician is a bit of a plug and a few questions have arisen which he now tells me he knows little about!!!!!
I've had cat 6 installed in most rooms in the house, I need a modem and I think I need a router to distribute wired internet to all the outlets?
Am I correct in presuming the router needs to be linked to the modem?
He has wired all the Cat 6 to the cellar, instead of to the wireless modem situated in the kitchen, so I presume a cable will have to go to the router from the modem unless anyone can think of another way around this?
Had my house rewired and the electrician is a bit of a plug and a few questions have arisen which he now tells me he knows little about!!!!!
I've had cat 6 installed in most rooms in the house, I need a modem and I think I need a router to distribute wired internet to all the outlets?
Am I correct in presuming the router needs to be linked to the modem?
He has wired all the Cat 6 to the cellar, instead of to the wireless modem situated in the kitchen, so I presume a cable will have to go to the router from the modem unless anyone can think of another way around this?
How many cables have you had installed?
7
2. Have they been terminated into a patch panel in the cellar?
Nothing in there as of yet
3. Do you need all the room points live? If not, how many do you actually need enabled?
Probably 5
4. What kind of broadband do you have? ADSL (phoneline based) or cable (Virgin)?
Could be either or depending on what deal I can get, not living there at the moment.
7
2. Have they been terminated into a patch panel in the cellar?
Nothing in there as of yet
3. Do you need all the room points live? If not, how many do you actually need enabled?
Probably 5
4. What kind of broadband do you have? ADSL (phoneline based) or cable (Virgin)?
Could be either or depending on what deal I can get, not living there at the moment.
Having done something similar recently...
Yes you need a modem and a router. The router plugs into the modem. I use a Netgear WNDR3800 for a BT Infinity 2 feed. Easy to set up.
The modem will likely be placed just inside the building near where the phone line enters the house. The router can either be next to the modem or in the cellar where your cables terminate, but you need a wired ethernet connection between them.
Ideally you then want a switch connected to the router and each of your 7 cables plugged into the switch. So the switch will certainly be in the cellar. Let the switch manage the traffic. And if you decide later to double up your cables to 14 (it's better to have everything on a wired connection back to the switch, rather than a bunch of things on a switch which itself connects back to the switch in the cellar), a 16 port switch is a lot easier to find that a 16 port router.
Yes you need a modem and a router. The router plugs into the modem. I use a Netgear WNDR3800 for a BT Infinity 2 feed. Easy to set up.
The modem will likely be placed just inside the building near where the phone line enters the house. The router can either be next to the modem or in the cellar where your cables terminate, but you need a wired ethernet connection between them.
Ideally you then want a switch connected to the router and each of your 7 cables plugged into the switch. So the switch will certainly be in the cellar. Let the switch manage the traffic. And if you decide later to double up your cables to 14 (it's better to have everything on a wired connection back to the switch, rather than a bunch of things on a switch which itself connects back to the switch in the cellar), a 16 port switch is a lot easier to find that a 16 port router.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 23 September 18:55
I think I am getting to the limits of my ITness if that is a word? 
Matt when you say Master socket what do you mean, is that point where the supplier places the main feed, if so don't have one as the house has undergone a total refurb for a quite a few months, so it is yet to be installed?
Matt when you say Master socket what do you mean, is that point where the supplier places the main feed, if so don't have one as the house has undergone a total refurb for a quite a few months, so it is yet to be installed?
Mark300zx said:
I think I am getting to the limits of my ITness if that is a word?
Matt when you say Master socket what do you mean, is that point where the supplier places the main feed, if so don't have one as the house has undergone a total refurb for a quite a few months, so it is yet to be installed?
So if there's no connection to the house from the telephone network, what's keeping the wireless device in the kitchen?Matt when you say Master socket what do you mean, is that point where the supplier places the main feed, if so don't have one as the house has undergone a total refurb for a quite a few months, so it is yet to be installed?
davepoth said:
So if there's no connection to the house from the telephone network, what's keeping the wireless device in the kitchen?
I just determined the kitchen as the best location for a wifi signal to be situated, there is nothing to stop the modem/router being in the cellar but the signal would be poor and it is slightly damp.ging84 said:
Mark300zx said:
Question time IT 101
The modem is required to connect to the net.
The router is required to disperse the feeds to each area?
What does the switch do?
The switch allows you to connect more devices together on the same network.The modem is required to connect to the net.
The router is required to disperse the feeds to each area?
What does the switch do?
Modem (joins the outside telephone line to the network inside your house)
Switch (connects all of the network cables in the house together)
Router (provides wifi)
If you have a choice, put the modem and the switch next to each other in the cellar. The router can then be at the end of one of your cat6 cables to provide wifi to the house.
davepoth said:
Three boxes. Simplified a bit:
Modem (joins the outside telephone line to the network inside your house)
Switch (connects all of the network cables in the house together)
Router (provides wifi)
If you have a choice, put the modem and the switch next to each other in the cellar. The router can then be at the end of one of your cat6 cables to provide wifi to the house.
The router provides the IP addresses to each device that connects to the network by way of DHCP, so the normal way of connection is Modem - Router - Switch - Devices.Modem (joins the outside telephone line to the network inside your house)
Switch (connects all of the network cables in the house together)
Router (provides wifi)
If you have a choice, put the modem and the switch next to each other in the cellar. The router can then be at the end of one of your cat6 cables to provide wifi to the house.
If the OP wants lots of wireless coverage, then you can buy wireless access points that just plug into the switch, some even do away with AC adapters by using PoE (Power over Ethernet) but they need compatible PoE switches.
Access Points like the Ubiquiti AP-AC-Lite: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/ would work with something like the Unifi Switch 16: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-switching/unifi-switch-...
If the OP found that there were wireless dead zones, then you can either plug more APs in, or go for one of the AP-AC-LR long range models.
Mr Happy said:
The router provides the IP addresses to each device that connects to the network by way of DHCP, so the normal way of connection is Modem - Router - Switch - Devices.
If the OP wants lots of wireless coverage, then you can buy wireless access points that just plug into the switch, some even do away with AC adapters by using PoE (Power over Ethernet) but they need compatible PoE switches.
Access Points like the Ubiquiti AP-AC-Lite: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/ would work with something like the Unifi Switch 16: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-switching/unifi-switch-...
If the OP found that there were wireless dead zones, then you can either plug more APs in, or go for one of the AP-AC-LR long range models.
I did say "simplified a lot". If the OP wants lots of wireless coverage, then you can buy wireless access points that just plug into the switch, some even do away with AC adapters by using PoE (Power over Ethernet) but they need compatible PoE switches.
Access Points like the Ubiquiti AP-AC-Lite: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/ would work with something like the Unifi Switch 16: https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-switching/unifi-switch-...
If the OP found that there were wireless dead zones, then you can either plug more APs in, or go for one of the AP-AC-LR long range models.
In the topology the OP will have, the "Modem" will be the device that will provide the DHCP and IP functions - a BT Homehub or Virgin Superhub, or something similar. The "Router" in this situation is acting as a Wireless Access Point, and won't be providing any network services.
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