Macbook Pro (2016)
Discussion
Matt.. said:
The surface book pro is on the verge of being replaced, and then will probably be more expensive.
Surface BookSurface Pro
Two different products and neither is on the verge of being replaced. Microsoft have said that the Surface Book will most likely only get iterative refreshes to keep up with CPU/GPU until there's a significant reason to change, so holding back major updates for two year cycles.
There may be a Surface Pro 5 announced in April 2017 but would again only be a minor update.
Also worth noting that if you buy a Surface Book today (any version apart from the entry level one), you get a free X-Box 1S, FIFA17 and an extra wireless controller
Murph7355 said:
I have never, ever, sold a used computer and never will. So resale values are an irrelevance to me and, I suspect, most people.
Note also that the current price start points are so high that the machines will need to retain around 50% of their value over 3-5yrs for this to be a "benefit" as you could simply chuck away the Windows based machines I'm looking at and still be no worse off!
I'm also fortunate enough to be relatively technically literate so don't really need support.
We'll see.
For me, I have an 2011 MBP which I should be able to easily get £500 for if I chose to sell it, this makes any new Mac purchase a lot easier to swallow and is the way I have done it for the past 10 years or so. Now that I'm VAT registered I'll get 25% off my new machine too, so despite a couple of the short-comings of the new MBP it looks like good value to me. Note also that the current price start points are so high that the machines will need to retain around 50% of their value over 3-5yrs for this to be a "benefit" as you could simply chuck away the Windows based machines I'm looking at and still be no worse off!
I'm also fortunate enough to be relatively technically literate so don't really need support.
We'll see.
One of the biggest problems with my current MBP is the weight, I have to lug this thing once a week to an office, I do around 12Km walking and in the summer it is annoyingly heavy, the new ones look nice and light. I'm just a bit disapointed about the lack of RAM and the loss of the SD card slot.
Matt.. said:
I keep hearing the mention of the surface book. However, if you want a work machine then you need 16gb ram, and that makes the surface book more expensive than the new MacBook Pro! It's as though Apple and Microsoft and forcing prices up.
If you want cheap then the Dell XPS seems like the only option? But I'd assume it'll be terrible build quality and only last a few years!
If you get the top spec Surface Book then it costs £2649. The only Macbooks you get with 16Gb ram are the 15in which are £2300 and £2600 but even the top spec one has 1/2 the storage of the Surface Book. The 512Gb Surface Book is £2200 which is still £300 less than the equivalent Macbook Pro.If you want cheap then the Dell XPS seems like the only option? But I'd assume it'll be terrible build quality and only last a few years!
You need to define "work machine" as no one I know needs more than 8Gb in a PC really. What work would you need 16Gb for?
I've woken up in a different frame of mind.
Originally I was planning on spending 2k, so another 500 quid or so gets me the new 15.
My current MBP is 2011, so I would expect to get 5+ years out of the new one, when the cost is spread over that time it isn't too bad.
I'll stick it on my credit card, pay off the 2k instantly that I had saved to buy one, then balance transfer it to remove interest and pay off the 500 over the next few months.
Sorted!
Originally I was planning on spending 2k, so another 500 quid or so gets me the new 15.
My current MBP is 2011, so I would expect to get 5+ years out of the new one, when the cost is spread over that time it isn't too bad.
I'll stick it on my credit card, pay off the 2k instantly that I had saved to buy one, then balance transfer it to remove interest and pay off the 500 over the next few months.
Sorted!
djdest said:
I've woken up in a different frame of mind.
Originally I was planning on spending 2k, so another 500 quid or so gets me the new 15.
My current MBP is 2011, so I would expect to get 5+ years out of the new one, when the cost is spread over that time it isn't too bad.
I'll stick it on my credit card, pay off the 2k instantly that I had saved to buy one, then balance transfer it to remove interest and pay off the 500 over the next few months.
Sorted!
Each to their own of course but IMO if you have had to 'save' for one and dont just have it lying around, this is an awful decision!Originally I was planning on spending 2k, so another 500 quid or so gets me the new 15.
My current MBP is 2011, so I would expect to get 5+ years out of the new one, when the cost is spread over that time it isn't too bad.
I'll stick it on my credit card, pay off the 2k instantly that I had saved to buy one, then balance transfer it to remove interest and pay off the 500 over the next few months.
Sorted!
This minor upgrade is clearly targetted at people with money to burn on the latest gadget. Dont spend your savings on one!
p1stonhead said:
Each to their own of course but IMO if you have had to 'save' for one and dont just have it lying around, this is an awful decision!
This minor upgrade is clearly targetted at people with money to burn on the latest gadget. Dont spend your savings on one!
Sorry, maybe I worded it wrongly, its not that I've saved hard to buy it, its more a case of money that I had in my bank and in my mind I had put aside 2k of it as a budget.This minor upgrade is clearly targetted at people with money to burn on the latest gadget. Dont spend your savings on one!
I'm a very heavy laptop user, literally hours every single day, so I always get my moneys worth out of them.
I will also be selling my 2011 MBP and old iPhone 6Plus, so realistically I'll only be down a couple of hundred pounds in the end.
djdest said:
My 2011 has 8GB and I do some intensive audio work processing, I've NEVER had a problem with a lack of RAM
It depends on the kind of work you do, I use it for large data manipulation and quite often 16GB won't cut the mustard, I have some applications that simply give up on me! Tycho said:
You need to define "work machine" as no one I know needs more than 8Gb in a PC really. What work would you need 16Gb for?
I did wonder this. I'm regularly processing thousands of D750 RAW files (up to 30MB each) in LR very briskly with 8GB of RAM in my MBP, outputting to a 4K screen as well. Never felt the need for more.TonyToniTone said:
ashleyman said:
I was really hoping for a new 5K display to go alongside my Retina iMac. I think that's more needed than a 'toy' MBP. .
They did mention this http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/HKN62B/A/lg-u...I've a 2012 MBP 15" Retina, 2.6 i7, with 16GB RAM and a 750GB SSD that I bought from new - I paid £2867 for it at the time, less the VAT which I claimed back, so effectively £2389.
A new 15" MBP with a 2.7 i7, 16GB RAM and a 1TB HDD is £3059, or again about £2500 with the VAT knocked off.
I expect the current one would fetch about £650 used.
So, cost to change - probably £1900. Which isn't too bad. But as I sit here typing this, I'm wondering exactly what reason I would have to change, and the answer is 'none at all'. This works perfectly well. It's got a few scratches from when I dropped it out of the boot of the car onto a concrete floor, but other than that there is no reason to 'upgrade' it. I was hoping for something revolutionary, which is what Apple used to be known for, but this is more evolutionary than anything and hence the reason Apple won't be getting any more of my hard earned this time around. Plus, I really dont want to shell out for adapters for everything just to make it work with USB-C.
Anyone want to make me a tempting offer for my existing workhorse, all the same?
A new 15" MBP with a 2.7 i7, 16GB RAM and a 1TB HDD is £3059, or again about £2500 with the VAT knocked off.
I expect the current one would fetch about £650 used.
So, cost to change - probably £1900. Which isn't too bad. But as I sit here typing this, I'm wondering exactly what reason I would have to change, and the answer is 'none at all'. This works perfectly well. It's got a few scratches from when I dropped it out of the boot of the car onto a concrete floor, but other than that there is no reason to 'upgrade' it. I was hoping for something revolutionary, which is what Apple used to be known for, but this is more evolutionary than anything and hence the reason Apple won't be getting any more of my hard earned this time around. Plus, I really dont want to shell out for adapters for everything just to make it work with USB-C.
Anyone want to make me a tempting offer for my existing workhorse, all the same?
Edited by offshoreeddy on Friday 28th October 09:10
ThunderGuts said:
I don't need it, but shiny shiny.
Yep. Don't forget that 'new apple smell', but there is a cheaper option:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/10/04/c...
ukaskew said:
Tycho said:
You need to define "work machine" as no one I know needs more than 8Gb in a PC really. What work would you need 16Gb for?
I did wonder this. I'm regularly processing thousands of D750 RAW files (up to 30MB each) in LR very briskly with 8GB of RAM in my MBP, outputting to a 4K screen as well. Never felt the need for more.The other thing is the 15" is a minimum of £2,300 and for that much I'd want the very best whether I really needed it or not.
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