Microsoft Surface Studio
Discussion
Original Poster said:
If this could run MacOS I'd order immediately.
I'm hoping Apple blows it out the water with their announcement tonight, I need a new iMac and MacBook Pro for work.
I'm trying to remember the last time Apple did anything genuinely interesting on a product ... and basically naff all has been done since the demise of Jobs. Apple are no longer able to blow anyone out of the water with a new product.I'm hoping Apple blows it out the water with their announcement tonight, I need a new iMac and MacBook Pro for work.
The Surface Studio is a WAY better design than anything Apple have offered.
Isn't there an Apple event today?
I'm seriously tempted by the Surface Pro. I've been wanting one for about a year (I have an original Surface Pro and its battery is just about dead after being used daily...).
Right now, MS are clearing out the old stock of the Surface Pro and the Surface Book by offering a free xbox - and I'm sorely tempted. But I don;t really need an xbox and there's the prospect of a Surface Pro 5 in the Spring with thunderbolt over usb c (= external graphics).
But I can't work out what the difference between the current Surface Pro and the refreshed one is. Does anyone know? They've explained it for the Surface Book, but not the Pro as far as I can see.
(It's also been announced that a firmware update in the Spring will let the Surface Pro work with the Dial).
(And if I had a spare £3k just sitting around, I'd be all over the Studio.)
I'm seriously tempted by the Surface Pro. I've been wanting one for about a year (I have an original Surface Pro and its battery is just about dead after being used daily...).
Right now, MS are clearing out the old stock of the Surface Pro and the Surface Book by offering a free xbox - and I'm sorely tempted. But I don;t really need an xbox and there's the prospect of a Surface Pro 5 in the Spring with thunderbolt over usb c (= external graphics).
But I can't work out what the difference between the current Surface Pro and the refreshed one is. Does anyone know? They've explained it for the Surface Book, but not the Pro as far as I can see.
(It's also been announced that a firmware update in the Spring will let the Surface Pro work with the Dial).
(And if I had a spare £3k just sitting around, I'd be all over the Studio.)
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/10/hands-on-wi...
Dial is clickable .. :O
Dial is clickable .. :O
Edited by RobDickinson on Thursday 27th October 08:45
You can really see the potential of the Dial here (behind all the glare):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4RBl6re_Y4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4RBl6re_Y4
dxg said:
You can really see the potential of the Dial here (behind all the glare):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4RBl6re_Y4
And they say there's nothing new in technology...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4RBl6re_Y4
https://griffintechnology.com/us/powermate
I think I have one of these upstairs in a box somewhere. Think mine must 13yrs old.
Looks impressive but my concerns would be ...
- Everyone I know who has a Windows device has hassle with it and spends a fortune getting problems fixed that they can't fix themself. Not an issue if you work in a decent sized company with dedicated IT support, but too risky for a home user who relies on their computer for an income.
- Windows's relative susceptibility to viruses.
MitchT said:
Looks impressive but my concerns would be ...
Out of interest, wha sort of 'hassle' are you talking about exactly? I use OSX on my laptop and one of my desktops, but over the last few years I've been using Windows more and more for my course (engineering isn't very OSX friendly!) and I have to say I haven't had any bother with it that couldn't be sorted out with a bit of googling. It's actually not all that bad I don't think, particularly Win 7. I'm not having a go at all, I'm genuinely curious as to what problems people have when they mention they don't like Windows.- Everyone I know who has a Windows device has hassle with it and spends a fortune getting problems fixed that they can't fix themself. Not an issue if you work in a decent sized company with dedicated IT support, but too risky for a home user who relies on their computer for an income.
- Windows's relative susceptibility to viruses.
Slightly more on topic, Microsoft have done what Apple haven't been able to (for me at least) for a few years now, they have made me really want something I have zero need or even use for. It's a fantastic looking machine.
Ruler tool looks quite useful with their "new category of input device" 
looks quite useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOn0G7UuTs&fe...
looks quite useful.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOn0G7UuTs&fe...
I use an iMac at work, and with the exception of one of the guys in the design department everyone else is on Windows 10. I upgraded all of these computers, of varying configurations, with no issues at all. They all just work, and are noticeably snappier than they were with Windows 7, etc on.
Obviously apocryphal but I do tend to think that confirmation bias plays a pretty big role in people's minds. One guy earlier in this thread is a classic example in that he seems to have written off anything that Microsoft will ever do. Let's be realistic - software evolves, and plenty of companies make missteps. Apple didn't have copy and paste on their phones for a long time, for example.
Apple - for all their geek cred - have been resting on their laurels for far too long in terms of hardware. I'm not sure whether that's a lack of direction post-Jobs, or hubris, or something else - but their competitors have long since caught up and in some cases exceeded their "uniquely aesthetic hardware" ethos. This Studio machine is beautiful and looks to be a very solid competitor to the iMac, and I have a sneaking suspicion the new Surface Book will be more powerful in terms of hardware than the to-be-released MacBook Pro.
Obviously apocryphal but I do tend to think that confirmation bias plays a pretty big role in people's minds. One guy earlier in this thread is a classic example in that he seems to have written off anything that Microsoft will ever do. Let's be realistic - software evolves, and plenty of companies make missteps. Apple didn't have copy and paste on their phones for a long time, for example.
Apple - for all their geek cred - have been resting on their laurels for far too long in terms of hardware. I'm not sure whether that's a lack of direction post-Jobs, or hubris, or something else - but their competitors have long since caught up and in some cases exceeded their "uniquely aesthetic hardware" ethos. This Studio machine is beautiful and looks to be a very solid competitor to the iMac, and I have a sneaking suspicion the new Surface Book will be more powerful in terms of hardware than the to-be-released MacBook Pro.
Looks good to me. I'm an Apple user of 10+ years (newbie, I know), and it matters that Microsoft is doing Hardware and Software together. Apple needs a good kick up the backside occasionally.
More Mac Pro zaniness is needed by Apple. So what if it's small market specialist, low profit stuff. Give their engineers free rein to go crazy. Lord knows they've got enough dosh to spunk on anything they like. Not everything has to be a new iPod or iPhone.
More Mac Pro zaniness is needed by Apple. So what if it's small market specialist, low profit stuff. Give their engineers free rein to go crazy. Lord knows they've got enough dosh to spunk on anything they like. Not everything has to be a new iPod or iPhone.
Wow, this is the most engaging Microsoft product for ages.
I tried OSX and didn't have any real issues with it (apart from Finder which is a disaster), but I find Windows is more flexible and better suited to what I do so I switched back. BUT, even as good as Windows 10 is, it does still have annoying glitches here and there which are probably enough to deter a sceptical user from making the switch.
That said, MS do seem to be making bold moves these days which is nice to see from such a big and usually unwieldy company.
It's also nice to see an advert from Microsoft that doesn't make you want to punch everyone involved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMLA8YIgG0
But yes, they do seem to be lacking balls at the moment. Their next product evolution will need to be special. I suppose it's very dangerous to be bold when your share price has such a long way to fall.
I tried OSX and didn't have any real issues with it (apart from Finder which is a disaster), but I find Windows is more flexible and better suited to what I do so I switched back. BUT, even as good as Windows 10 is, it does still have annoying glitches here and there which are probably enough to deter a sceptical user from making the switch.
That said, MS do seem to be making bold moves these days which is nice to see from such a big and usually unwieldy company.
It's also nice to see an advert from Microsoft that doesn't make you want to punch everyone involved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMLA8YIgG0
Leithen said:
More Mac Pro zaniness is needed by Apple. So what if it's small market specialist, low profit stuff.
Apple... low profit!? But yes, they do seem to be lacking balls at the moment. Their next product evolution will need to be special. I suppose it's very dangerous to be bold when your share price has such a long way to fall.
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