Setting up remote access cctv for a dummie.

Setting up remote access cctv for a dummie.

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RobDickinson

31,343 posts

254 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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I installed a www.cleverloop.com system really easy to do.

Squiggs

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1,520 posts

155 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
Squiggs said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
Yes you will need broadband and then a remotely accessable cctv system like - https://www.amazon.co.uk/H-View-Security-Recorder-...
If I was using this would I still need a computer/laptop at my parents?
Yes if you want to be able to access the feeds remotely; safely
hence the suggestion for a cheap disposable raspberry pi
Sorry for my ignorance - so is the raspberry pi considered to be a computer????

OldGermanHeaps

3,832 posts

178 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
cloud connected ip cameras are NOT secure
Neither is port forwarding on any of the equipment mentioned. If you want secure it costs more. Is it the end of the world if they get comprimised?

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Squiggs said:
Sorry for my ignorance - so is the raspberry pi considered to be a computer????
Absolutely.

You could use it as a desktop computer if you really wanted to.
Thats how my kids use it when making stuff on minecraft and coding teleporters and cool stuff like that.

Some websites will bring it to its knees reminding you that this is very limited piece of hardware. but @ £35 for the Pi3 and £10 for the Zero-W ... they're hardly expensive.


OldGermanHeaps said:
Neither is port forwarding on any of the equipment mentioned. If you want secure it costs more. Is it the end of the world if they get comprimised?
We're not talking enterprise level security here.. but cheap IP cameras have hardcoded credentials that botnet farmers know and scan for.

98 seconds to be subverted here.
( https://www.hackread.com/mirai-botnet-hacks-survei... )

Port forwarding, to SSH or reverse SSHing with a 4096bit keypair with password login disabled is absolutely more secure than exposing the IP camera to the internet without some sort of protection.

Hell... even without using ssh and just diverting the camera interface via NGIX with HTTP authentication will me more secure

( https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/h... )

Add to that you can run failtoban to protect the little pi from endless repeated login attempts trying to overwhelm its little processor. Not that they would gain access, but the processor has to deal with those login attempts instead of the job you want it to do.

( https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/h... )

So as I was saying; its not NSA / Mi5 levels of security.. but its something



Edited by SystemParanoia on Wednesday 1st March 08:58

PixelpeepS3

8,600 posts

142 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Squiggs said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
Yes you will need broadband and then a remotely accessable cctv system like - https://www.amazon.co.uk/H-View-Security-Recorder-...
If I was using this would I still need a computer/laptop at my parents?
no, this unit will do everything you need at their end. You would need a laptop/smartphone at your end though, to view it.

Squiggs

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1,520 posts

155 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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I think I'll get the broadband installed - buy the bits, then I'll have to employ a teenager to get it all up and running.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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plusnet give a static IP... this can be useful if you want to establish remote access with minimal dicking around.

plusnet give a static IP... this can be a complete ball ache if you start coming under attack from china and or bot's that try to recruit your hardware to their cause.

Sheepshanks

32,769 posts

119 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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SystemParanoia said:
Squiggs said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
Yes you will need broadband and then a remotely accessable cctv system like - https://www.amazon.co.uk/H-View-Security-Recorder-...
If I was using this would I still need a computer/laptop at my parents?
Yes if you want to be able to access the feeds remotely; safely
hence the suggestion for a cheap disposable raspberry pi
It it just the "safely" bit that would require a computer at the parents home?

We have a wireless IP camera for baby monitoring and, while I've never enabled remote access, I understand that once it's done there's no need for a local computer.

If it is a hacking issue, is that a big deal? Someone who hacks in is going to see a couple of old people wandering around. Maybe the hackers can do the monitoring!

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Sheepshanks said:
Maybe the hackers can do the monitoring!
Perfect hehe

But yes, the computer is only required to make the connection more secure.

When the cameras are exposed to the web directly, they can be viewd by internet strangers ( not really the end of the world )

But they can also be subverted into something called a 'botnet', the device then uses its spare CPU capacity and bandwidth to perform co-ordinated attacks to order for whatever reason.

i.e ( https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/26... )

This botnet attacked a major internet DNS server cluster at a sustained rate of over 1Tbps taking down a few social networking sites and many other popular web locations, the biggest DDOS ever! all achieved by utilising subverted IP cameras and other IOT devices with poor security.

If your devices were used in an attack like this, it would consume all of your upload bandwidth meaning you are unable to view footage from the cameras during the attack.

As Hacking is covered by the computer misuse act, there is a very ( VERY ) slim possibility of being subject to legal action from the victim and being accused of being complicit in whatever action took place.

You really don't want to be involved in any way at all if a US Government resource is hacked from your I.P address laugh as they like to extradite.

as i said, we're talking the slimmest of chances almost to the point of 'never gonna happen'

...but what if yikes

chasingracecars

1,696 posts

97 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Simple cheap easy solution...

Presence camera

http://www.presencepro.com

VEX

5,256 posts

246 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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DOnt need a fixed IP address for the broadband service.

I resently installed 5x Canary Security Cameras for a clients who is paranoid about child care.

Great little system for peace of mind.

V.

Brother D

3,720 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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VEX said:
DOnt need a fixed IP address for the broadband service.

I resently installed 5x Canary Security Cameras for a clients who is paranoid about child care.

Great little system for peace of mind.

V.
I have the canany at home - seems a fairly decent solution - It sends notification if it detects any abnormal activity, but also you view the feed live (and even on my first gen model) the picture is very good.

Also as a side note they are easy on the eye

Order66

6,728 posts

249 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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OP - have a look at this:
http://www.costco.co.uk/view/p/swann-dvr4-4550-4-c...

If you're not a costco member there's a 5% surcharge, but still gives the best priced system around for decent quality. Maplin have similar kit (more expensive).

Setup is extremely simple - plug the dvr into an ethernet port on the internet router, wire the cameras, fire up the app on your phone or laptop (no messing around with router/internet configuration required - it is zero setup so long as it has an internet connection), use the app to scan the QR code on the DVR box and you are connected. Obviously change the default password immediately. No other equipment needed in your parents home, no pissing about with home-brew linux.

Cameras are HD quality, have good night vision and can be set up for motion detection on a schedule. It is as simple a setup solution for your problem as you will get.

Olf

11,974 posts

218 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I have three Canary's that I use for monitoring an empty house. Great solution and obviously easily accessible from your iphone.

Mattt

16,661 posts

218 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Yep - when I read the OP I thought 'Canary' straight away.