Rural broadband speeds - 10mbps... how bad?

Rural broadband speeds - 10mbps... how bad?

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Ken_Code

364 posts

2 months

Thursday 28th March
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xeny said:
Depends how big the game is - if it translates into needing to leave a PC on overnight to download it, you're considering the cost of the electricity cost for that as well as your time wasted waiting.
If I ever start playing computer games I’ll bear that in mind.

I’m not sure though that I will if not wasting time is an important metric.

MarkL73

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29 posts

2 months

Thursday 28th March
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The satellite broadband is looking really interesting. There is no way I am going to cope with 10 MBPS. The only TV we ever watch is 4K streamed stuff onto an 85" that has to then upscale to 8K. Standard HD is going to be a bit rubbishy. And for business we need to be able to upload to YouTube quickly and easily as well as download content, fast and seamlessly. Not to mention rock solid connections for doing things like podcasts, etc.

The idea that we can get 50 MBPS and above via satellite, while being somewhere remote, sounds really appealing. Almost makes it sound like wireless broadband is going to be the best option for most people long before wires ever get to the countryside in some places!

MustangGT

11,638 posts

280 months

Thursday 28th March
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I am in rural Cumbria. I pay for, and get, 500Mbs (measured at 495) via EE on fibre line. Conversely we are lucky if we get 4G, the norm is 3G around here and only one provider provides any signal at all, again EE.

xeny

4,309 posts

78 months

Friday 29th March
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MarkL73 said:
The satellite broadband is looking really interesting.
r/starlink is probably a good resource if you've not already been there.

Griffith4ever

4,271 posts

35 months

Friday 29th March
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MarkL73 said:
Castrol for a knave said:
though 4k can be a bit of a gamble.
hmmm.. Rural living not seeming quite so cool!
Yeah, but the outdoors is all in "infinite K" and all you have to do is step outside with your eyes open. :-)

Op, your biggest issue will be uploads to YT. On 10mb you are likely to have 1Mb or LESS upload bandwidth. This will make YT uploads unbearable. I know... I uses to have this. Also, when you upload anything you'll kill download speed, Inc Netflix etc.

I have 22/2.5 and its fine for 4k etc but I have to be careful limiting upload bandwidth or things go south quickly. Mainly pausing torrents so other stuff works, but also sending a big email can cause TV streaming to buffer.



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Edited by Griffith4ever on Friday 29th March 09:01

colin79666

1,822 posts

113 months

Friday 29th March
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I get in ok with 35mbit through a small local ISPs fixed wireless service. Basically like a WiFi access point on the outside of the house points at their mast a few miles away. It is not perfect though, sometimes drops out in really bad weather and rather expensive for the speed.

Last year I managed to get the ball rolling on getting fibre installed to our village. There are schemes to help if you aren’t in a commercially viable area. It took a bit of campaigning work but I’ve now got Openreach onboard with the government gigabit voucher scheme providing the funding so we should have fibre available within a year.

Actual

752 posts

106 months

Friday 29th March
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colin79666 said:
Last year I managed to get the ball rolling on getting fibre installed to our village. There are schemes to help if you aren’t in a commercially viable area. It took a bit of campaigning work but I’ve now got Openreach onboard with the government gigabit voucher scheme providing the funding so we should have fibre available within a year.
Where my dad lived the ADSL was 0.75 Mbps and one of the residents managed to get fibre using the government voucher scheme but even once they started the work it took over a year as they argued about who was responsible for digging up different parts of the road. It got there in the end but too late for my dad.

.:ian:.

1,936 posts

203 months

Saturday 30th March
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I've got 20/2 it's borderline acceptable but really needs a decent router with qos so I can prioritise my stuff over my sons steam downloads.

Apparently gigaclear are rolling in here soon, drums fingers on table.

I nearly went for starlink but couldn't work out where to put it.

Actual

752 posts

106 months

Saturday 30th March
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.:ian:. said:
Apparently gigaclear are rolling in here soon, drums fingers on table.
We have been at this house for a year and have Gigaclear with no significant problems. A few outages with one on a Sunday morning where I got the impression that one of their central routers needed a reboot but there was no one in the office.

It might be worth joining the Gigaclear Faceache group in advance. There is not too much traffic but plenty of customers signing up and then dealing with installation engineers for a year before getting any service.




miniman

24,968 posts

262 months

Saturday 30th March
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Actual said:
We have been at this house for a year and have Gigaclear with no significant problems. A few outages with one on a Sunday morning where I got the impression that one of their central routers needed a reboot but there was no one in the office.

It might be worth joining the Gigaclear Faceache group in advance. There is not too much traffic but plenty of customers signing up and then dealing with installation engineers for a year before getting any service.
We’re with Gigaclear, it has been excellent. Because our neighbours refused to sign the wayleave for the 3 houses beyond ours, the whole street wasn’t hooked up and I had to fight them for quite a while to get them back to run the ductwork in and then a fair bit longer to get the fibre blown through. But once connected, it’s great.

Griffith4ever

4,271 posts

35 months

Saturday 30th March
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colin79666 said:
I get in ok with 35mbit through a small local ISPs fixed wireless service. Basically like a WiFi access point on the outside of the house points at their mast a few miles away. It is not perfect though, sometimes drops out in really bad weather and rather expensive for the speed.

Last year I managed to get the ball rolling on getting fibre installed to our village. There are schemes to help if you aren’t in a commercially viable area. It took a bit of campaigning work but I’ve now got Openreach onboard with the government gigabit voucher scheme providing the funding so we should have fibre available within a year.
I contacted 24 flat owners and about 12 houses about getting Openreach on the ball (we have 22Mb/3Mb ish, at best). I was going to make the application etc. Not one bloody reply.

theboss

6,917 posts

219 months

Saturday 30th March
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Get a leased line installed, it’ll cost but it would be worth it (1) for the service and (2) knowing the neighbours will see Openreach guys hauling fibre in and expect to piggy back off your payment of construction excesses smile

Bonefish Blues

26,757 posts

223 months

Saturday 30th March
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miniman said:
Actual said:
We have been at this house for a year and have Gigaclear with no significant problems. A few outages with one on a Sunday morning where I got the impression that one of their central routers needed a reboot but there was no one in the office.

It might be worth joining the Gigaclear Faceache group in advance. There is not too much traffic but plenty of customers signing up and then dealing with installation engineers for a year before getting any service.
We’re with Gigaclear, it has been excellent. Because our neighbours refused to sign the wayleave for the 3 houses beyond ours, the whole street wasn’t hooked up and I had to fight them for quite a while to get them back to run the ductwork in and then a fair bit longer to get the fibre blown through. But once connected, it’s great.
Can other providers piggyback off Giga's fibre to door installation or do they own it?

Lefty

16,156 posts

202 months

Saturday 30th March
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Running a business in a (very) rural area would be very difficult without starlink. Keeping a family happy might be tricky too hehe

miniman

24,968 posts

262 months

Saturday 30th March
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Bonefish Blues said:
Can other providers piggyback off Giga's fibre to door installation or do they own it?
I believe they own it.

Bonefish Blues

26,757 posts

223 months

Saturday 30th March
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miniman said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Can other providers piggyback off Giga's fibre to door installation or do they own it?
I believe they own it.
Thanks, suspected as much

eharding

13,719 posts

284 months

Saturday 30th March
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miniman said:
Actual said:
We have been at this house for a year and have Gigaclear with no significant problems. A few outages with one on a Sunday morning where I got the impression that one of their central routers needed a reboot but there was no one in the office.

It might be worth joining the Gigaclear Faceache group in advance. There is not too much traffic but plenty of customers signing up and then dealing with installation engineers for a year before getting any service.
We’re with Gigaclear, it has been excellent. Because our neighbours refused to sign the wayleave for the 3 houses beyond ours, the whole street wasn’t hooked up and I had to fight them for quite a while to get them back to run the ductwork in and then a fair bit longer to get the fibre blown through. But once connected, it’s great.
FWIW it's now been just over 2 years since Gigaclear accepted my connection order, having the year previously dug across the end of my drive to connect the rest of the village. I'm still waiting for the connection to be made. I can accept that it might be fine once connected, but my personal experience is that they're a bunch of massively inept bk-jugglers and time wasting wcensorednkspangles, in the finest traditions of the likes of NTL back in the day.

AC43

11,488 posts

208 months

Sunday 31st March
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Griffith4ever said:
colin79666 said:
I get in ok with 35mbit through a small local ISPs fixed wireless service. Basically like a WiFi access point on the outside of the house points at their mast a few miles away. It is not perfect though, sometimes drops out in really bad weather and rather expensive for the speed.

Last year I managed to get the ball rolling on getting fibre installed to our village. There are schemes to help if you aren’t in a commercially viable area. It took a bit of campaigning work but I’ve now got Openreach onboard with the government gigabit voucher scheme providing the funding so we should have fibre available within a year.
I contacted 24 flat owners and about 12 houses about getting Openreach on the ball (we have 22Mb/3Mb ish, at best). I was going to make the application etc. Not one bloody reply.
I had a great neighbour who ran the application for us. He came round knocking on doors and I was one of the very first to commit my cash. I agreed that, if it came to it, I'd split the cost 50:50 with him. Luckily we ended up with 10 or so commits and split it between all of us.

Which left 30 or so miserable fkers who refused to join in but were full beneficiaries of what he managed to pull off. Utter tossers.

miniman

24,968 posts

262 months

Sunday 31st March
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AC43 said:
I had a great neighbour who ran the application for us. He came round knocking on doors and I was one of the very first to commit my cash. I agreed that, if it came to it, I'd split the cost 50:50 with him. Luckily we ended up with 10 or so commits and split it between all of us.

Which left 30 or so miserable fkers who refused to join in but were full beneficiaries of what he managed to pull off. Utter tossers.
Similarly, the reason I had to fight Gigaclear to run in the ducting was that my neighbours at 10, 11 and 12 refused to sign the wayleave because they didn’t want the tarmac outside their houses damaged (I’m at 9 but Gigaclear wouldn’t do anything at all in the street without all the wayleaves).

It’s now ducted up to my boundary but no further and the neighbours are talking about how they can get Gigaclear to hook them up now they find that 40mb or so is quite limiting in the modern world. Given the trouble I had, I suspect their only hope is Bob and he’s dead.



Bonefish Blues

26,757 posts

223 months

Sunday 31st March
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miniman said:
AC43 said:
I had a great neighbour who ran the application for us. He came round knocking on doors and I was one of the very first to commit my cash. I agreed that, if it came to it, I'd split the cost 50:50 with him. Luckily we ended up with 10 or so commits and split it between all of us.

Which left 30 or so miserable fkers who refused to join in but were full beneficiaries of what he managed to pull off. Utter tossers.
Similarly, the reason I had to fight Gigaclear to run in the ducting was that my neighbours at 10, 11 and 12 refused to sign the wayleave because they didn’t want the tarmac outside their houses damaged (I’m at 9 but Gigaclear wouldn’t do anything at all in the street without all the wayleaves).

It’s now ducted up to my boundary but no further and the neighbours are talking about how they can get Gigaclear to hook them up now they find that 40mb or so is quite limiting in the modern world. Given the trouble I had, I suspect their only hope is Bob and he’s dead.


I'm sure you will be suitably supportive of their efforts hehe