BBC iPlayer cripples ISPs
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7336940.stm
Would be excellent to hear Jamie's thoughts on this as someone closely connected to the industry. My personal view is - why on earth should BBC pay towards network connectivity? Are Google expected to contribute because of the amount of traffic they generate? If the BBC server farms are connected to the backbone with sufficient capacity, surely the inability of any given ISP to deal with the load its users put on its networks is entirely their issue.
Would be excellent to hear Jamie's thoughts on this as someone closely connected to the industry. My personal view is - why on earth should BBC pay towards network connectivity? Are Google expected to contribute because of the amount of traffic they generate? If the BBC server farms are connected to the backbone with sufficient capacity, surely the inability of any given ISP to deal with the load its users put on its networks is entirely their issue.
bbc said:
According to figures from regulator Ofcom it will cost ISPs in the region of £830m to pay for the extra capacity needed to allow for services like the iPlayer.
If it wasn't the iPlayer, it would be something else.. and something else.The main blame here is with the Government.. most other major countries in the world have a lovely Fibre backbone (BT tried / are trying with the 21CN, but the gov chopped off their legs and arms a few years back, along with the windfall taxes this has drastically reduced their power!)
Virgin is already rolling our Fibre to it's customers, and offering 50mbit connections at the same time..
I feel virgin will really start to corner the ISP market going forward (the only issue being they aren't everywhere with their copper.. but with this new fibre they could spend to gt everywhere!)
ISPs do pay a fortune to BT for central pipe bandwidth, and this is what they're complaining about, but, the last stat I saw said this recent phenomenon of high bandwidth apps (Torrents / iPlayer etc) was only adding < 50p a customer to the ISPs.. when you factor in what they actually charge.. it still doesn't see like the end of the world..
Ultimately though, they do need to upgrade, so they just need to do it, and pass on the costs / work out ways of making more money to offset the costs.
J
Surely it's just a case of evolution? Everyone has been expecting a massive increase in the demand for this sort of stuff now that broadband is widely accessible and with much higher speeds. Demand is only going to increase so you'd think it's more a case of the ISP's having to keep up with the times or find themselves out of competition?
speculate to accumulate and all that.
speculate to accumulate and all that.
Hmm, more like:
"ISPs who offer customers packages with wide bandwidth and unlimited data complain when someone actually uses it."
Nice!
On a similar thread I worked out that the bandwidth I have got over the last decade has increased from 5k per second to 2MB per second, a factor of 400. Over the same period cost per MB of storage on my PC has dropped by a factor of 300. I can get a 1TB drive for what a 3 or 4GB drive cost back then.
That is an average rate of 'growth' of about 70% per year, every year for the last ten years.
Any ISP with any amount of forward planning should know and plan for this growth continuing. If they have not done so, then they have only themselves to blame.
"ISPs who offer customers packages with wide bandwidth and unlimited data complain when someone actually uses it."
Nice!
On a similar thread I worked out that the bandwidth I have got over the last decade has increased from 5k per second to 2MB per second, a factor of 400. Over the same period cost per MB of storage on my PC has dropped by a factor of 300. I can get a 1TB drive for what a 3 or 4GB drive cost back then.
That is an average rate of 'growth' of about 70% per year, every year for the last ten years.
Any ISP with any amount of forward planning should know and plan for this growth continuing. If they have not done so, then they have only themselves to blame.
JamieBeeston said:
bbc said:
According to figures from regulator Ofcom it will cost ISPs in the region of £830m to pay for the extra capacity needed to allow for services like the iPlayer.
If it wasn't the iPlayer, it would be something else.. and something else.
k you did".miniman said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7336940.stm
Would be excellent to hear Jamie's thoughts on this as someone closely connected to the industry. My personal view is - why on earth should BBC pay towards network connectivity? Are Google expected to contribute because of the amount of traffic they generate? If the BBC server farms are connected to the backbone with sufficient capacity, surely the inability of any given ISP to deal with the load its users put on its networks is entirely their issue.
Absolute bullsWould be excellent to hear Jamie's thoughts on this as someone closely connected to the industry. My personal view is - why on earth should BBC pay towards network connectivity? Are Google expected to contribute because of the amount of traffic they generate? If the BBC server farms are connected to the backbone with sufficient capacity, surely the inability of any given ISP to deal with the load its users put on its networks is entirely their issue.
t of the worst order. It's BT and the ISPs who will have to charge more in order to provide the service people want and are paying for.Why on earth should the taxpayer bear the cost when actually it is the users who should do so.
Having said this most Internet users are taxpayers and vice versa.
It sounds like rubbish to me.. If it wasn't iPlayer, it would be YouTube or torrents or whatever..
Anyway, who's crippling who here? ISP's with their capped, but somehow "Unlimited" services have a lot to answer for, in my opinion.
I have to wonder how other countries (some less developed) than the UK manage to provide unlimited internet without struggling and kicking up a fuss, then looking for any excuse to charge more..
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Anyway, who's crippling who here? ISP's with their capped, but somehow "Unlimited" services have a lot to answer for, in my opinion.
I have to wonder how other countries (some less developed) than the UK manage to provide unlimited internet without struggling and kicking up a fuss, then looking for any excuse to charge more..
P,
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