Huge mistake Nokia

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Zumbruk

7,848 posts

260 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Nokia are doomed. Going into partnership with the Evil Empire is a sure and certain way of going out of business. Once SmallNFloppy have stolen all your ideas, that is.

ZesPak

24,430 posts

196 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Zumbruk said:
Nokia are doomed. Going into partnership with the Evil Empire is a sure and certain way of going out of business. Once SmallNFloppy have stolen all your ideas, that is.
rofl ok you're kidding right, so using an OS of the "Evil Empire" gets you out of business? Must call Dell, HP, Intel, AMD and the like, they'll be in for a shock!

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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ZesPak said:
rofl ok you're kidding right, so using an OS of the "Evil Empire" gets you out of business? Must call Dell, HP, Intel, AMD and the like, they'll be in for a shock!
Pretty much my thoughts on that as well. MS has done well by making a piece of software that can run on hardware produced by lots of vendors. And the vendors have done well because they all run the same OS and the user knows how to use it.

MS tried to make a phone. It flopped. Nokias OS looks like it's flopping. Seems like an ideal partnership to me. Nokia gets an OS which can be rapidly improved to suit their hardware. And MS gets a vendor who brings years of hardware experience, and who's hungry to create improvements.

It's a far better proposition than any other options both companies have right now.

steve_amv8

1,886 posts

210 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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I wonder where this leaves MeeGo ....

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

226 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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steve_amv8 said:
I wonder where this leaves MeeGo ....
Clearing its desk, along with all the people who worked on it, I expect.

This is a brilliant move by MS (actually, I'd expected them to buy HTC) but it's both halves of a st sandwich for Nokia.

Ray Singh

3,048 posts

230 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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MeeGo or Maemo is now languishing as a development project. Ultimately it will be doomed.

The partnership looks good on paper, but for the real world employees at Nokia, its a chocolate starfish clenching time.



SplatSpeed

7,490 posts

251 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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i am so glad i am out of mobile development.

nokia has gone to a production line development model, which is a nightmare for an engineer.

it's like turning free range cows into veal crate cows. Stiffles the engineer.

clonmult

10,529 posts

209 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Will said:
clonmult said:
Thats totally untrue, and you know it.

There are plenty of apps, and plenty of developers working on Symbian. Probably more than have been working on WP7.
According to CNN, WP7 launched less than 6 months ago and already has more apps than Symbian.
Thats just plain wrong. CNN are making up stories, without any figures to back it up.

There are way more than 5000 apps available for Symbian. iirc its something well over 20,000. And there are considerably more daily downloads of apps on Symbian than there is on WP7.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

233 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Interesting all the usual stuff on this but there is a type of consumer who everyone seems to have forgotten about, a group which I fall into.

My phone has 4 main uses. I make and receive calls, I use the alarms, I send texts and I use it to hold nigh on 7Gb of music which I can FM transmit to any radio or Bluetooth where available if I don’t want to use the phone/earphones. Yes I have a SE W980.

There is nothing on the market for me. Nothing, unless I want a 52” fricking screen that makes the phone too big to put in just any pocket and assures that I will bust it in half the first time I sit down with it in my back pocket.

Sure I surf the net from time to time on it but don’t really find it a problem that I haven’t got a big screen to look at it on.

So Nokia, if you are listening, PLEASE think of people like me if you want to do something other than follow the flock. I know I am not alone.

LordGrover

33,545 posts

212 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Davi said:
Fixed that for you.

I have an iPhone. the second I'm out of contract I will dance a jig on it with a maniacal expression on my face, absolute piece of crap.
hehe I'm sure you're right, but wait until you see the alternatives - they're even worse.
You'll be right there, between the rock and the hard place.

tinman0

18,231 posts

240 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Rude-boy said:
My phone has 4 main uses. I make and receive calls, I use the alarms, I send texts and I use it to hold nigh on 7Gb of music which I can FM transmit to any radio or Bluetooth where available if I don’t want to use the phone/earphones. Yes I have a SE W980.
I have a W595. Trouble is that we barely make money for anyone, so the market isn't focussing on us.

As much as I like my phone, you have to admit we are both in a technological backwater.

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

233 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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tinman0 said:
I have a W595. Trouble is that we barely make money for anyone, so the market isn't focussing on us.

As much as I like my phone, you have to admit we are both in a technological backwater.
Other than on purchase I sadly suspect you are right moneywise.

Almost all of my friends have iPhones or similar and none of them use those to anything like their capabilities. In fact other than for 3 or 4 of us to watch back vids they have taken at the same time (so perhaps once or twice a year) there is no point to them having anything more than something like my phone.

It’s not even a tec backwater though, that’s what pee’s me off. For 95% of the people buying an iPhone the only thing they have which they use is a bigger screen and if you took that away they wouldn’t notice after a week or two. All it is is that the Phone co.s have convinced people they need a mega big touchscreen phone. Now unless you are as myopic as a mole that falls down. I'd rather have a smaller screen and a phone which is easy to carry around than a massive screen and live in fear of smapping the thing in two.

I on the other hand would notice an iPhone’s drawbacks the first time I was lying on my front in A&E having bits of broken screen removed from my left butt cheek biglaugh

CzechItOut

2,154 posts

191 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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SplatSpeed said:
i am so glad i am out of mobile development.

nokia has gone to a production line development model, which is a nightmare for an engineer.

it's like turning free range cows into veal crate cows. Stiffles the engineer.
One might say that Nokia has neither the best hardware on the market nor the best software, so maybe their "engineers" are to blame for the company's downfall?

Android has come from nowhere to be the market leading mobile OS and Apple has come from nowhere to be the most desirable handset manufacturer in just a few years. What were Nokia doing in that time?

Mr Will

13,719 posts

206 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Rude-boy said:
...I'd rather have a smaller screen and a phone which is easy to carry around than a massive screen and live in fear of smapping the thing in two.

I on the other hand would notice an iPhone’s drawbacks the first time I was lying on my front in A&E having bits of broken screen removed from my left butt cheek biglaugh
Stop sitting on your bloody phone then! Keep in in your front or jacket pocket like a normal person hehe

Failing that, Smartphones are available in a wide range of sizes. The SE X10 Mini is actually smaller than what you have now.

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

226 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Mr Will said:
Stop sitting on your bloody phone then! Keep in in your front or jacket pocket like a normal person hehe

Failing that, Smartphones are available in a wide range of sizes. The SE X10 Mini is actually smaller than what you have now.
And the new HP Veer is absolutely iddy-widdy.

SplatSpeed

7,490 posts

251 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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CzechItOut said:
One might say that Nokia has neither the best hardware on the market nor the best software, so maybe their "engineers" are to blame for the company's downfall?

Android has come from nowhere to be the market leading mobile OS and Apple has come from nowhere to be the most desirable handset manufacturer in just a few years. What were Nokia doing in that time?
Cost fking Cutting!

Balmoral Green

40,911 posts

248 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Balmoral Green said:
So where does this leave the just launched Nokia E7? I quite fancied getting one of them. A brand new phone with a newly ditched OS?
Anyone?

Is it going to stay with Symbian and be a complete non-starter, or is it going to be re-hashed with a new OS?

SplatSpeed

7,490 posts

251 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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Balmoral Green said:
Anyone?

Is it going to stay with Symbian and be a complete non-starter, or is it going to be re-hashed with a new OS?
it won't be rehashed!

BliarOut

72,857 posts

239 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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'Doze on a Nokia? nono I've got a lovely Nokia, goes a week on a charge, never needs rebooting or spits it's dummy, I love it. Having endured a WP device in the past I would rather gargle razor blades than use 'Doze as a phone OS.

wavey Nokia.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

212 months

Friday 11th February 2011
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BliarOut said:
'Doze on a Nokia? nono I've got a lovely Nokia, goes a week on a charge, never needs rebooting or spits it's dummy, I love it. Having endured a WP device in the past I would rather gargle razor blades than use 'Doze as a phone OS.

wavey Nokia.
Have you used a Windows 7 mobile?