Huge mistake Nokia
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CommanderJameson said:
Mr Will said:
Stop sitting on your bloody phone then! Keep in in your front or jacket pocket like a normal person 
Failing that, Smartphones are available in a wide range of sizes. The SE X10 Mini is actually smaller than what you have now.
And the new HP Veer is absolutely iddy-widdy.Failing that, Smartphones are available in a wide range of sizes. The SE X10 Mini is actually smaller than what you have now.
CJ - Just off for a google , thanks
jammy_basturd said:
BliarOut said:
'Doze on a Nokia? 
I've got a lovely Nokia, goes a week on a charge, never needs rebooting or spits it's dummy, I love it. Having endured a WP device in the past I would rather gargle razor blades than use 'Doze as a phone OS.
Nokia.
Have you used a Windows 7 mobile? I've got a lovely Nokia, goes a week on a charge, never needs rebooting or spits it's dummy, I love it. Having endured a WP device in the past I would rather gargle razor blades than use 'Doze as a phone OS. Nokia.
k would I want to do that Used 6.5 the other day on a brand new HTC and quite frankly it was a complete turd. A stylus FFS
Mr Will said:
Windows Mobile 6 was launched in 2007. Basing your opinions on it alone is a little short-sighted.
I have a using Windows Mobile since WM2003. It has hardly changed at all over the years and I finally got fed up with it after being given a work Crackberry.Was given a Windows Mobile 7 device to play with and WOW. Huge improvement! Not just in speed but in usability. None of those stupid tiny "x" in the top right hand corner you had to hit to close a window/app.
Have good look before you write off. Put it this way, MS are staking a LOT on WM7 so expect a lot of good stuff to come on this platform.
Rude-boy said:
It’s not even a tec backwater though, that’s what pee’s me off. For 95% of the people buying an iPhone the only thing they have which they use is a bigger screen and if you took that away they wouldn’t notice after a week or two. All it is is that the Phone co.s have convinced people they need a mega big touchscreen phone. Now unless you are as myopic as a mole that falls down. I'd rather have a smaller screen and a phone which is easy to carry around than a massive screen and live in fear of smapping the thing in two.
Trouble is that the iPhone moved the game on. The large screen made web browsing a much easier thing for instance. Yeah, I've got Opera Mini on my SE, but i wouldn't sit in bed and browse on it as the screen is tiny. Apple then got the apps right, and the whole ecosystem that developed around it.Whilst we can upload crappy jar files and look at high priced crappy games on our tiny screens convincing ourselves that it makes sense when all our friends have decent phones.
Mr Will said:
Windows Mobile 6 was launched in 2007. Basing your opinions on it alone is a little short-sighted.
Ahem, 6.5 
(allegedly), not 6...I have two phones, a simple Nokia for personal/texting and originally a HTC Touch, they both ring simultaneously (supposedly) on a soft number. The HTC took around two second longer than the Nokia just to start ringing.
The stylus, you're having a laugh, right?
I'm a bit meh about W7 and I'm so not interested in tying my own money up in anything MS do to a phone. When MS get it right I'll have a look but for me at the moment they aren't even in the ballpark on previous offerings.
As a simple calling and texting machine my little baby Nokia is bang on the money. Simple to use, easy to see in daylight and goes a week on a charge. What more could I need?
Interesting thread. I thought Windows Phone 7 was being marketed as the consumer version of Windows Phone with Microsoft's own recommendation being that 6.5 is their enterprise version - got an Exchange Server that enforces encryption if you want to use ActiveSync, no Windows Phone 7 for you...
So does this mean that Nokia have given up on the enterprise space?
So does this mean that Nokia have given up on the enterprise space?
All the power in the mobile phone industry lies with the operators. Nokia is no-where in the US because the US operators don’t take their phones. They have cosy deals with the Koreans.
Operators buy 80% of the mid to high end phones sold.
But today the operators are scared of Apple and google. While the operators used to think they could make money from content and apps they’ve seen iTunes waltz away with the money.
Apple wants a soft SIM, so you will be able to change network with an iTunes download.
They are even more scared of Google. While Android is open source the apps on an android phone – things like the ability to make a call, phone book and text messaging are apps in this context, are not. They are a fee licence from Google and you can’t mess with them the operators are scared that Google will mandate Google voice, sucking the operators main source of revenue into google.
They are scared as in they’ve been having meetings about it. The nudge, nudge, wink, wink agreement is to support Nokia and Microsoft
So when Elop polled the operators about what to do next, the answer wasn’t Android. The operators said that they could see Symbian (or actually S60 on top of Symbian) wasn’t getting the developer support and Nokia needed a new direction. They would support Nokia with Windows.
This isn’t just about Nokia and Microsoft teaming up to take on Google and Apple, it’s about Nokia, Google and the major operators teaming up to take on Google and Apple. It remains to be seen how brave those operators are when it comes to not stocking the latest Apple phone if that means losing customers.
Operators buy 80% of the mid to high end phones sold.
But today the operators are scared of Apple and google. While the operators used to think they could make money from content and apps they’ve seen iTunes waltz away with the money.
Apple wants a soft SIM, so you will be able to change network with an iTunes download.
They are even more scared of Google. While Android is open source the apps on an android phone – things like the ability to make a call, phone book and text messaging are apps in this context, are not. They are a fee licence from Google and you can’t mess with them the operators are scared that Google will mandate Google voice, sucking the operators main source of revenue into google.
They are scared as in they’ve been having meetings about it. The nudge, nudge, wink, wink agreement is to support Nokia and Microsoft
So when Elop polled the operators about what to do next, the answer wasn’t Android. The operators said that they could see Symbian (or actually S60 on top of Symbian) wasn’t getting the developer support and Nokia needed a new direction. They would support Nokia with Windows.
This isn’t just about Nokia and Microsoft teaming up to take on Google and Apple, it’s about Nokia, Google and the major operators teaming up to take on Google and Apple. It remains to be seen how brave those operators are when it comes to not stocking the latest Apple phone if that means losing customers.
simonrockman said:
They are even more scared of Google.
I'm not so sure about this bit. It won't take much for operators to start controlling Android - it's literally a matter of time and it'll be divide and conquer.Just offer a discount for a locked down phone with the network's marketplace, the networks music service, the networks book service, etc, and in comes the branding and the lock down. Punters won't differentiate from the locked down phone to the normal phone. The techies will, and will scream loudly, but when a customer is in the shop thinking they can save £5/$10 per month on the locked down handset, they'll vote with their wallets.
Once they have one locked down handset from an unknown Chinese source, they will simply renegotiate their contracts with HTC - play ball or we don't buy your handsets. Someone will back down, and then it really is the end of the dream.
Whilst Apple will continue to play hard ball.
(Look carefully as Apple just got software sim through despite a fight with the networks with the Verizon iPhone4 and the Qualcomm CDMA+GSM chip on board).
tinman0 said:
simonrockman said:
They are even more scared of Google.
I'm not so sure about this bit. It won't take much for operators to start controlling Android - it's literally a matter of time and it'll be divide and conquer.simonrockman said:
tinman0 said:
simonrockman said:
They are even more scared of Google.
I'm not so sure about this bit. It won't take much for operators to start controlling Android - it's literally a matter of time and it'll be divide and conquer.I am confused by this.
Nokia purchased the rights to Symbian, made it open source and are now dumping it
Why go windows route? I would have thought the a Linux/Unix base is the future and would have made it more popular in the geek world as well.
To me Windows seems a backwards step.
Nokia purchased the rights to Symbian, made it open source and are now dumping it
Why go windows route? I would have thought the a Linux/Unix base is the future and would have made it more popular in the geek world as well.
To me Windows seems a backwards step.
Morningside said:
I am confused by this.
Nokia purchased the rights to Symbian, made it open source and are now dumping it
Why go windows route? I would have thought the a Linux/Unix base is the future and would have made it more popular in the geek world as well.
To me Windows seems a backwards step.
1. Geeks have been seduced by Google. No geeks left for a pure breed Linux on a phone. (Slightly ironic).Nokia purchased the rights to Symbian, made it open source and are now dumping it
Why go windows route? I would have thought the a Linux/Unix base is the future and would have made it more popular in the geek world as well.
To me Windows seems a backwards step.
2. No one is in love with Nokia any more. They weren't in love with Symbian, and Nokia have failed to concentrate and innovate. And when they copied, they didn't even do that very well.
3. Windows is the only game left in town after Android (which does look much nicer under 7).
Rude-boy said:
Interesting all the usual stuff on this but there is a type of consumer who everyone seems to have forgotten about, a group which I fall into.
My phone has 4 main uses. I make and receive calls, I use the alarms, I send texts and I use it to hold nigh on 7Gb of music which I can FM transmit to any radio or Bluetooth where available if I don’t want to use the phone/earphones. Yes I have a SE W980.
There is nothing on the market for me. Nothing, unless I want a 52” fricking screen that makes the phone too big to put in just any pocket and assures that I will bust it in half the first time I sit down with it in my back pocket.
Sure I surf the net from time to time on it but don’t really find it a problem that I haven’t got a big screen to look at it on.
So Nokia, if you are listening, PLEASE think of people like me if you want to do something other than follow the flock. I know I am not alone.
So what exactly does the S-E Experia X10 Mini not give you that you list above?My phone has 4 main uses. I make and receive calls, I use the alarms, I send texts and I use it to hold nigh on 7Gb of music which I can FM transmit to any radio or Bluetooth where available if I don’t want to use the phone/earphones. Yes I have a SE W980.
There is nothing on the market for me. Nothing, unless I want a 52” fricking screen that makes the phone too big to put in just any pocket and assures that I will bust it in half the first time I sit down with it in my back pocket.
Sure I surf the net from time to time on it but don’t really find it a problem that I haven’t got a big screen to look at it on.
So Nokia, if you are listening, PLEASE think of people like me if you want to do something other than follow the flock. I know I am not alone.
Carfolio said:
So what exactly does the S-E Experia X10 Mini not give you that you list above?
His Mrs had an Xperia X1 previously. Having had one myself, I can see why that would scar you so severely that you would refuse to ever have another Xperia phone. (despite the fact that the X10 mini is actually pretty decent)I think its quite a good idea. Nokia probably make the best phones in the market as far as the hardware is concerned, but they have been uncompetitive over the last couple of years due to the Symbian OS. Windows Phone 7 is a nice operating system, maybe not up to iOS standards but certainly preferable to Android, so as far as I see it combining Nokia hardware with WP7 is a smart move. This could be the change needed to make them once again become a major player against the current crop of smart phones.
audidoody said:
The Nur said:
Can - Worms - Opened
(It's because they're st - 
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Shouldn't you be dispensing wisdom over on the "Beatles are s(It's because they're s
t - )t" thread?For what it is worth I love the Beatles.
Rude-boy said:
Interesting all the usual stuff on this but there is a type of consumer who everyone seems to have forgotten about, a group which I fall into.
My phone has 4 main uses. I make and receive calls, I use the alarms, I send texts and I use it to hold nigh on 7Gb of music which I can FM transmit to any radio or Bluetooth where available if I don’t want to use the phone/earphones. Yes I have a SE W980.
There is nothing on the market for me. Nothing, unless I want a 52” fricking screen that makes the phone too big to put in just any pocket and assures that I will bust it in half the first time I sit down with it in my back pocket.
Sure I surf the net from time to time on it but don’t really find it a problem that I haven’t got a big screen to look at it on.
So Nokia, if you are listening, PLEASE think of people like me if you want to do something other than follow the flock. I know I am not alone.
Nokia N8?My phone has 4 main uses. I make and receive calls, I use the alarms, I send texts and I use it to hold nigh on 7Gb of music which I can FM transmit to any radio or Bluetooth where available if I don’t want to use the phone/earphones. Yes I have a SE W980.
There is nothing on the market for me. Nothing, unless I want a 52” fricking screen that makes the phone too big to put in just any pocket and assures that I will bust it in half the first time I sit down with it in my back pocket.
Sure I surf the net from time to time on it but don’t really find it a problem that I haven’t got a big screen to look at it on.
So Nokia, if you are listening, PLEASE think of people like me if you want to do something other than follow the flock. I know I am not alone.
Anyway I got an N8 from nokia for free to test out (they are chucking them at bloggers on the net to promote it) and found it to be a very nice phone. No complaints other than there is no massive app store to compete with android market and app market.
I was hoping Nokia would team up with Google for their OS (I believe they talked with them as well as microsoft) as they have the massive app store and are instantly competing with other high end hand sets (HTC, Samsung, Motorola) again, and can concentrate on their hardware (which is excellent - the N8 has a 12Mp camera, Xenon flash, and HDMI output).
Microsoft got a big win out of this in my opinion as people aren't buying WM7 phones, they got the decent hardware manufacturer on side now (with a fanbase twindling as it is - is still there).
I can't see them pulling back the smartphone market share with this move, although it is a better move than sticking with Symbian.
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