Huge mistake Nokia
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Microsoft applies make up to Nokia's Corpse. Hahahaha.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/micros...
...Strangely, an accurate description, IMO.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/micros...
...Strangely, an accurate description, IMO.
MS have missed a trick with W7... the corporate market. To not fully support EAS is criminal. In that respect, W7 is a step backwards from W6
The chance was there to take a jump on Android (probably not fully EAS compatible until Honeycomb) and compete with the Blackberrys and iPhones. But do it cheaper....
And Nokia is a dinosaur, their time has gone ..... That phone they had a year or two back (I forget the model) running Maemo could have been so good
The chance was there to take a jump on Android (probably not fully EAS compatible until Honeycomb) and compete with the Blackberrys and iPhones. But do it cheaper....
And Nokia is a dinosaur, their time has gone ..... That phone they had a year or two back (I forget the model) running Maemo could have been so good
doolie said:
MS have missed a trick with W7... the corporate market. To not fully support EAS is criminal. In that respect, W7 is a step backwards from W6
The chance was there to take a jump on Android (probably not fully EAS compatible until Honeycomb) and compete with the Blackberrys and iPhones. But do it cheaper....
And Nokia is a dinosaur, their time has gone ..... That phone they had a year or two back (I forget the model) running Maemo could have been so good
An update will sort that. In releasing their new mobile platform, they have followed the same path as apple with the first iphone,a minimal phone with no real corporate abiltiy.The chance was there to take a jump on Android (probably not fully EAS compatible until Honeycomb) and compete with the Blackberrys and iPhones. But do it cheaper....
And Nokia is a dinosaur, their time has gone ..... That phone they had a year or two back (I forget the model) running Maemo could have been so good
lestag said:
An update will sort that. In releasing their new mobile platform, they have followed the same path as apple with the first iphone,a minimal phone with no real corporate abiltiy.
An update maybe too late for W7 for corps..... can't compare now with past, CIOs weren't previously as hot on mobile device security,they are now ...... Considering how much people have complained about copy and paste in WP7 is a disgrace that the earliest it might appear seems to be 8 March
Their update damn well better bring WP7 inline with Apple and Googles OSs otherwise it really will be dead in the water.
If they can manage that I would certainly consider a Nokia phone with WP7.
I wasn't too impressed with my last HTC/Android phone which I got rid of fairly quickly.
Their update damn well better bring WP7 inline with Apple and Googles OSs otherwise it really will be dead in the water.
If they can manage that I would certainly consider a Nokia phone with WP7.
I wasn't too impressed with my last HTC/Android phone which I got rid of fairly quickly.
Updates? f
king updates? It's a phone, it should work 99.999% of the time out of the box.
WP7 doesn't even have the root certificates update as of last month
For me phones need to operate to a far higher standard of reliability than has become acceptable in the generally shoddy PC Market.
king updates? It's a phone, it should work 99.999% of the time out of the box.WP7 doesn't even have the root certificates update as of last month
For me phones need to operate to a far higher standard of reliability than has become acceptable in the generally shoddy PC Market.
Not being a techiethe whole discussion passes over my head. However as the user of a phone I have no idea what an App is, or why I'd need one.
I have a work phone which I can send and receive emails from but then the buttons are small, the screen is small so its not ideal.
I have a Nokia N97 mini which I can access the internet on, I can get emails on it, apparently it will do music, videos etc. However again the screen is small, the keyboard is small.
However at the same time I want the phone to be small, and easily portable, I want the screen not to be easy to scratch (whats the point of a cover you have to take the phone out of to use it), I want good battery life, and I want good reception everywhere and especially on my daily commute.
I think that there is going to become a realisation that the smartphone just doesnt work, its no good as phone and its no good for amything else because the screens not big enough/too easy to damage.
I have a Netbook and thats ideal for doing email, its light quite portable etc, Would be better if it had a SIM card in it so it just connected to the internet seamlessly whilst out like it does at home, but is boot up time is irritating!
I am pondering whether one should go down the tablet pc route (but it would have to be easy on, easy internet connection, long battery life maybe the solution is an advanced Kindle?) and then have a basic phone to do the phone calls, the textx, and to carry the music (not that I listen to any but I know others do).
So in a sense I am in the same group as those wanting a basic phone but I also want something else to go woth it that I am not sure is on the market.
However th reality is that there won't be a perfect solution until mobile connection really works properly, doesn't cut off in tunnels, cuttings etc. Its plainly absurd that on about an hours train ride each way in the south east I can't get or hold a mobile signal for at least 50% of it.
So if I was Mokia I would work on improving reception and work on intergrating a basic phone with a tablet!
I have a work phone which I can send and receive emails from but then the buttons are small, the screen is small so its not ideal.
I have a Nokia N97 mini which I can access the internet on, I can get emails on it, apparently it will do music, videos etc. However again the screen is small, the keyboard is small.
However at the same time I want the phone to be small, and easily portable, I want the screen not to be easy to scratch (whats the point of a cover you have to take the phone out of to use it), I want good battery life, and I want good reception everywhere and especially on my daily commute.
I think that there is going to become a realisation that the smartphone just doesnt work, its no good as phone and its no good for amything else because the screens not big enough/too easy to damage.
I have a Netbook and thats ideal for doing email, its light quite portable etc, Would be better if it had a SIM card in it so it just connected to the internet seamlessly whilst out like it does at home, but is boot up time is irritating!
I am pondering whether one should go down the tablet pc route (but it would have to be easy on, easy internet connection, long battery life maybe the solution is an advanced Kindle?) and then have a basic phone to do the phone calls, the textx, and to carry the music (not that I listen to any but I know others do).
So in a sense I am in the same group as those wanting a basic phone but I also want something else to go woth it that I am not sure is on the market.
However th reality is that there won't be a perfect solution until mobile connection really works properly, doesn't cut off in tunnels, cuttings etc. Its plainly absurd that on about an hours train ride each way in the south east I can't get or hold a mobile signal for at least 50% of it.
So if I was Mokia I would work on improving reception and work on intergrating a basic phone with a tablet!
I am very surprised that big compainies have not jumped onto digital ink (same as these e-readers) as it requires zero power then create a sandwich of digital ink as the bottom layer and have multi-lcd over the top.
This will then create enormous battery life and be readable during direct sun light while giving full colour when required.
You read it here first. Off to patent it...
As regards smartphones, I know the iPhone is very popular but I think companies have stagnated the market by all doing an iPhone copy (badly)! For example, my Nokia 5800 is slow, unresponsive and as a 'media' phone, it does NOT play divx directly! Bizzarre.
This will then create enormous battery life and be readable during direct sun light while giving full colour when required.
You read it here first. Off to patent it...
As regards smartphones, I know the iPhone is very popular but I think companies have stagnated the market by all doing an iPhone copy (badly)! For example, my Nokia 5800 is slow, unresponsive and as a 'media' phone, it does NOT play divx directly! Bizzarre.
Very senior heads have been falling at Nokia in the face of rapidly dwindling market share in the smartphone arena (which is undoubtedly the future). You know what it's like in this game - technology moves so fast, you really need to stay ahead to have a fighting chance of even being in the race. The rewards are sensational though for those who make the cut.
Symbian is finished. It was always an under-developed pice of turd anyway. I lived with my Symbian phones, but none of them were polished. iOS4, on the other hand, is magnificent. I'm Android is pretty good too - if a very different flavour.
I'm looking forward to Windows Mobile finding some strong market share. I am a Windows guy, and if a decent Windows-based phone means cleaner workflow integration for me (but still with the hardware, ergonomic and functional benefits I am enjoying in the iPhone), I will be sold.
Symbian is finished. It was always an under-developed pice of turd anyway. I lived with my Symbian phones, but none of them were polished. iOS4, on the other hand, is magnificent. I'm Android is pretty good too - if a very different flavour.
I'm looking forward to Windows Mobile finding some strong market share. I am a Windows guy, and if a decent Windows-based phone means cleaner workflow integration for me (but still with the hardware, ergonomic and functional benefits I am enjoying in the iPhone), I will be sold.
Chrisgr31 said:
I think that there is going to become a realisation that the smartphone just doesnt work, its no good as phone and its no good for amything else because the screens not big enough/too easy to damage.
Best you get out there and tell the 100m people who bought an iPhone/Android device that a smart phone just doesn't work.Sorry, but the market has long since accepted the smart phone as a device and the things it can offer. Convergence Part One is well under way.
Morningside said:
I am very surprised that big compainies have not jumped onto digital ink (same as these e-readers) as it requires zero power then create a sandwich of digital ink as the bottom layer and have multi-lcd over the top.
This will then create enormous battery life and be readable during direct sun light while giving full colour when required.
You read it here first. Off to patent it...
As regards smartphones, I know the iPhone is very popular but I think companies have stagnated the market by all doing an iPhone copy (badly)! For example, my Nokia 5800 is slow, unresponsive and as a 'media' phone, it does NOT play divx directly! Bizzarre.
E-ink is still too slow to be used as a primary display for something that requires rapid updates; putting the two screens on would have virtuall zero benefits.This will then create enormous battery life and be readable during direct sun light while giving full colour when required.
You read it here first. Off to patent it...
As regards smartphones, I know the iPhone is very popular but I think companies have stagnated the market by all doing an iPhone copy (badly)! For example, my Nokia 5800 is slow, unresponsive and as a 'media' phone, it does NOT play divx directly! Bizzarre.
The 5800 .... I had a 5230, pretty much the same phone, and it was never slow - everything responded instantly to requests.
The N8 is totally different in real usage, but I don't understand how Nokia didn't get their priorities properly sorted. They shipped it with the same icon set that the 5800 had when it was released. So it looked virtually identical. But it does correct some basic problems on previous Symbian devices. Codec support is fantastic - it'll happily play 720p Divx/mkv/MP4 files without any problems. It'll pipe them through at 720p to a HD TV. The Nokia Big Screen application will let you connect up a Wiimote to the phone and use it as a full blown media center device.
If they'd just spent a bit of time on the UI rather than what was probably lots of stupid internal politics, it could have truly been a killer device.
The N900 was a missed opportunity, but then Maemo was always a skunkworks project. Just a bunch of Linux geeks trying their hand at developing a tablet device. They did a pretty good job, but then when the Moblin/Maemo project merged into Meego, everything seemed to grind to a halt.
Apparently Intel are ready to demonstrate a couple of Meego devices at MWC - a phone and a tablet, with the UI thats occasionally been shown. It does look *very* good, probably better than any of the competing devices.
amare32 said:
iPhone sh!t in what way? Out of iOS, Android and Windows 7, iOS seems to have the most responsive UI with Windows in 2nd and Android last - seems really jerky in comparison. Yes even on the HTC HD. Don't own any of the phones so unbiased.
Went from iOS to Android and Apple has the sleek design and looks but I prefer my Android for content and capabilities.I dont like iOS, the look and feel, lack of customisation, the ecosystem and most of all apple.
I quite like WP7 but choice is very limited and its expensive (here) and functionaly limited.
Despite my initial feelings on andriod I think I will likely be getting a HTC desire or whatever new comes out soon.
I quite like WP7 but choice is very limited and its expensive (here) and functionaly limited.
Despite my initial feelings on andriod I think I will likely be getting a HTC desire or whatever new comes out soon.
Haytch said:
amare32 said:
iPhone sh!t in what way? Out of iOS, Android and Windows 7, iOS seems to have the most responsive UI with Windows in 2nd and Android last - seems really jerky in comparison. Yes even on the HTC HD. Don't own any of the phones so unbiased.
Went from iOS to Android and Apple has the sleek design and looks but I prefer my Android for content and capabilities.Personally tended to prefer Symbian for capabilities, Android seems to sit in a middle ground between iOS and Symbian.
I was surprised that the interaction on the HTC HD was quite jerky, it didn't feel any better than the Orange SanFran I previously owned. Considering that S^3 is the one thats supposedly rubbish, it handles menus quicker than Android with no jerkiness, and also handles HD video considerably better.
clonmult said:
What you call sleek design I call over simplified and ridiculously basic.
Personally tended to prefer Symbian for capabilities, Android seems to sit in a middle ground between iOS and Symbian.
I was surprised that the interaction on the HTC HD was quite jerky, it didn't feel any better than the Orange SanFran I previously owned. Considering that S^3 is the one thats supposedly rubbish, it handles menus quicker than Android with no jerkiness, and also handles HD video considerably better.
My Nexus One (running CyanogenMod 7) is smooth enough. I suspect HTC's Sense UI is partially responsible for any UI goofiness on the HD.Personally tended to prefer Symbian for capabilities, Android seems to sit in a middle ground between iOS and Symbian.
I was surprised that the interaction on the HTC HD was quite jerky, it didn't feel any better than the Orange SanFran I previously owned. Considering that S^3 is the one thats supposedly rubbish, it handles menus quicker than Android with no jerkiness, and also handles HD video considerably better.
skoff said:
but don't ignore the emerging 3rd world markets where the mobile phone bit of a phone is still the most important bit. This is how all the mobile recycling companies are making their money. I think we have a good few years to go yet before the mobile PC in your phone is king, so I think there is still a big market for producing simple, reliable mobile comms with few bells and whistles.
The problem for Nokia is while it looked like they had that "emerging" market sewn up, their share is being eroded by the far eastern companies that can make even cheaper basic phones, and can squeeze more functionality in to the low end. Even in the UK, look at the sub-£50 PAYG phones - Nokia are there, but alongside dozens of alternatives.IME in India, there's a huge demand for more functionality and the low-end Android handsets (the sort that sells for £100ish in the UK) are getting rather common. Nokia are being attacked on all fronts - they're losing high-end smartphone customers (with all the delays on their new meego platform), they're losing the low end, and they don't have anything too compelling in the midrange either.
The future is all smartphones - if rumours are to be believed, Apple's next move is finding a way to sell cheaper (possibly smaller, cut-down) iPhones to emerging markets. Nokia need to be in there ASAP with something good - and one of the fastest ways of doing that is to jump on the WP7 platform.
Why dont phone manufactures make a blank one, a bit like a PC compatible?
Then you could install the OS of your choice? Regardless of Android, Symbion or W7 or some third party design.
By third party I mean leave the core low level stuff (bios/firmware) alone and just allow the OS to sit on top.
Then you could install the OS of your choice? Regardless of Android, Symbion or W7 or some third party design.
By third party I mean leave the core low level stuff (bios/firmware) alone and just allow the OS to sit on top.
Morningside said:
Why dont phone manufactures make a blank one, a bit like a PC compatible?
Then you could install the OS of your choice? Regardless of Android, Symbion or W7 or some third party design.
By third party I mean leave the core low level stuff (bios/firmware) alone and just allow the OS to sit on top.
If there was any money in this they would be doing it already.Then you could install the OS of your choice? Regardless of Android, Symbion or W7 or some third party design.
By third party I mean leave the core low level stuff (bios/firmware) alone and just allow the OS to sit on top.
Morningside said:
Why dont phone manufactures make a blank one, a bit like a PC compatible?
Then you could install the OS of your choice? Regardless of Android, Symbion or W7 or some third party design.
By third party I mean leave the core low level stuff (bios/firmware) alone and just allow the OS to sit on top.
Because it becomes (even more of) a race to the bottom. Margins get decimated as everyone tries to outdo each other. Which isn't good for the market or consumer at the end of the day, because only the companies with the margins are the ones are the ones who can afford R&D new products.Then you could install the OS of your choice? Regardless of Android, Symbion or W7 or some third party design.
By third party I mean leave the core low level stuff (bios/firmware) alone and just allow the OS to sit on top.
PSBuckshot said:
I don't understand why people just don't buy iPhones....
Because the screens are really small, you cant upgrade the memory with sim cards, cant replace the battery without voiding the warranty.And they really stopped being the best about the same time the Galaxy S came out.
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