Huge mistake Nokia
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fido said:
On the subject of Nokia own goals .. i was almost tempted to go for their latest 808 cameraphone. Then i found out the screen is no better than the N97. Why put such a medicore screen with a high quality camera?! I forgot to add - the battery capacity is from a 2007-era phone.
Were you looking at the same screen?Edited by fido on Friday 20th July 10:06
Sure, its lower resolution, but it does *look* very very good. Colleagues have said it makes their iPhone 4S look like a washed out PoS (albeit a sharp washed out ....)
Battery capacity is the one area that hasn't moved forward at anything like the pace of the technology in the rest of the phone (mine was taken off charge last night, it polls for email every 15 minutes, has been used on 3G/Wifi for browsing, music, calls and a few texts, its now down to 75%)
And as has been said - images taken on the camera would require a gigantic screen to totally do them justice. And as I said - the actually quality of the screen makes the cameras shots look fantastic (probably better on the 808 than it does on my calibrated 24" at work).
clonmult said:
Were you looking at the same screen?
Sure, its lower resolution, but it does *look* very very good. Colleagues have said it makes their iPhone 4S look like a washed out PoS (albeit a sharp washed out ....)
That's actually quite true for all AMOLED screens, esp the higher-end ones.Sure, its lower resolution, but it does *look* very very good. Colleagues have said it makes their iPhone 4S look like a washed out PoS (albeit a sharp washed out ....)
Actually, I don't get that from Nokia. That's their only phone that has a true USP (the camera), yet they put Symbian on it. Why?
Combined with a popular mobile OS (WP 7, Android), that could be a hit. And if it was WP, it would get more people into Windows Phone, which can only be good for them I imagine...
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 20th July 14:48
ZesPak said:
clonmult said:
Were you looking at the same screen?
Sure, its lower resolution, but it does *look* very very good. Colleagues have said it makes their iPhone 4S look like a washed out PoS (albeit a sharp washed out ....)
That's actually quite true for all AMOLED screens, esp the higher-end ones.Sure, its lower resolution, but it does *look* very very good. Colleagues have said it makes their iPhone 4S look like a washed out PoS (albeit a sharp washed out ....)
Actually, I don't get that from Nokia. That's their only phone that has a true USP (the camera), yet they put Symbian on it. Why?
Combined with a popular mobile OS (WP 7, Android), that could be a hit. And if it was WP, it would get more people into Windows Phone, which can only be good for them I imagine...
Edited by ZesPak on Friday 20th July 14:48
Symbian is (currently) the only OS that they could get it running on, and out the door quick enough. And it is a very, very good phone.
And since when did WP7 become popular? I think Symbian is still outselling it ....
Where Nokia add value is supply chain - in and out. The company has the most streamlined use of hardware platforms. This brings its component cost right down and gives it a lot of power over suppliers.
It also has fantastic distribution. There are many places in the emerging part of the world where only Nokia can get rapid deliveries to dealers, and as dealers like to sell phones before they pay for them they want rapid deliveries. This is part of the reason Nokia has such a high cost base, but if they have the right (low end) product it pays dividends.
The high end has been a mess. Nokia mis-managed the Symbian relationship, creating S60 and alienating the other partners. I don't however think that Windows Phone is a mistake. It offers proper product differentiation and an alliance with Microsoft. That's much more valuable being subject to Google's whims as to who gets to make the leading Nexus products, fighting HTC and Samsung.
Simon
It also has fantastic distribution. There are many places in the emerging part of the world where only Nokia can get rapid deliveries to dealers, and as dealers like to sell phones before they pay for them they want rapid deliveries. This is part of the reason Nokia has such a high cost base, but if they have the right (low end) product it pays dividends.
The high end has been a mess. Nokia mis-managed the Symbian relationship, creating S60 and alienating the other partners. I don't however think that Windows Phone is a mistake. It offers proper product differentiation and an alliance with Microsoft. That's much more valuable being subject to Google's whims as to who gets to make the leading Nexus products, fighting HTC and Samsung.
Simon
clonmult said:
Sure, its lower resolution, but it does *look* very very good. Colleagues have said it makes their iPhone 4S look like a washed out PoS (albeit a sharp washed out ....)
Battery capacity is the one area that hasn't moved forward at anything like the pace of the technology in the rest of the phone (mine was taken off charge last night, it polls for email every 15 minutes, has been used on 3G/Wifi for browsing, music, calls and a few texts, its now down to 75%)
I couldn't live with the 640x360 screen - it may be sharp but lots of scrolling to make up for those lost pixels. If they had stuck a Lumia 900 size screen, larger battery, and possibly a dual-core processor (though i guess that option has been binned until WP8) - then i would have bought one no question - as i do enjoy browsing alot as well as taking snaps.Battery capacity is the one area that hasn't moved forward at anything like the pace of the technology in the rest of the phone (mine was taken off charge last night, it polls for email every 15 minutes, has been used on 3G/Wifi for browsing, music, calls and a few texts, its now down to 75%)
fido said:
clonmult said:
Sure, its lower resolution, but it does *look* very very good. Colleagues have said it makes their iPhone 4S look like a washed out PoS (albeit a sharp washed out ....)
Battery capacity is the one area that hasn't moved forward at anything like the pace of the technology in the rest of the phone (mine was taken off charge last night, it polls for email every 15 minutes, has been used on 3G/Wifi for browsing, music, calls and a few texts, its now down to 75%)
I couldn't live with the 640x360 screen - it may be sharp but lots of scrolling to make up for those lost pixels. If they had stuck a Lumia 900 size screen, larger battery, and possibly a dual-core processor (though i guess that option has been binned until WP8) - then i would have bought one no question - as i do enjoy browsing alot as well as taking snaps.Battery capacity is the one area that hasn't moved forward at anything like the pace of the technology in the rest of the phone (mine was taken off charge last night, it polls for email every 15 minutes, has been used on 3G/Wifi for browsing, music, calls and a few texts, its now down to 75%)
For me, I'm more than happy with the device - its the first phone (or gadget) I've owned that has exceed my expectations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1...
(obviously this is no good for the average user who won't do much more than install a few apps, myself on the other hand...)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1...
(obviously this is no good for the average user who won't do much more than install a few apps, myself on the other hand...)
Someone in here ( or the other thread, which I can't find ), wanted to be able to track their phones usage of data etc, Nokia released a beta today for the app which you can download from here http://betalabs.nokia.com/trials/counters
Lumia 920 to be first UK 4G phone later this year, maybe...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/10/everything-ever...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/10/everything-ever...
TallbutBuxomly said:
Well I popped into my local carphone w
ehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.
Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
They're interesting devices, but not sufficiently interesting to convince me to downgrade from the current 808.ehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
TallbutBuxomly said:
Well I popped into my local carphone wehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.
Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
How do they know how long the waiting list is going to be until Nokia announce a release date?ehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
More to the point, who amongst even the Nokia die-hards is going to order one of the older phones now?
So, they've killed off any residual demand for their existing high-end phones, but haven't told anyone when they can actually get hold of the new product.
Out-chuffing-standing.
eharding said:
So, they've killed off any residual demand for their existing high-end phones, but haven't told anyone when they can actually get hold of the new product.
TBH, after announcing that the WP7 models were not upgradable to WP8 would have killed off most of the demand anyway. It's a shoddy way to treat existing customers.clonmult said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Well I popped into my local carphone wehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.
Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
They're interesting devices, but not sufficiently interesting to convince me to downgrade from the current 808.ehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
Annoyingly no one is offering the 808 on contract as its symbian and extremely expensive so well done for being narrow minded. I cannot see how it would cost them money to offer it on certain contracts with none of the networks crap on them.
This then leaves me I think with the option of the 920 as it has a fairly impressive looking camera in theory.
eharding said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Well I popped into my local carphone wehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.
Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
How do they know how long the waiting list is going to be until Nokia announce a release date?ehouse and was told there was a 6-8 week order list on the 920.Hearing a lot of people very excited about the 920 if honest.
More to the point, who amongst even the Nokia die-hards is going to order one of the older phones now?
So, they've killed off any residual demand for their existing high-end phones, but haven't told anyone when they can actually get hold of the new product.
Out-chuffing-standing.
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