Huge mistake Nokia

[fido]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Whats wrong with the camera?

+1. It's actually pretty good .. better than the 920 I borrowed and loads better than the N97 it replaced.

[SeanyD]

simonrockman said:

I'm turning into a Nokia fan boy. I like my 925

Me too. Apart from Vodafone having a dodgy batch, so my first 2 handsets had hardware problems, but now I've sourced one elsewhere, it's a cracking phone and works very well. Refreshing after half a decade of the same old same old ios (yes I do know 7 is around the corner).

Re camera, when I first got the 925 I did a batch of 925 versus iphone 4 identical photos, and the 925 was better by a noticeable mile.

[clonmult]

wolves_wanderer said:

clonmult said:

simonrockman said:

I'm turning into a Nokia fan boy. I like my 925

Could you imagine what people would think of the 925 if they put a decent camera in there as well? They could start to become popular again ....

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Wait until the 11th

I know of the "EOS". Sounds like its using the 808 sensor.

Which is excellent, I've now had one since it was released. Can't think of any reason to "upgrade", as overall it looks like being a downgrade (stereo audio recording?).

[MarkRSi]

Uh oh.

Been a while since I've used the 710 since getting my Nexus 4. Using the cheaper quad-band 710 while abroad (hence the odd time of posting...)

Sadly I'm not feeling the love.

Mainly cos the Facebook & Skype apps are shocking poor, as is the selection of map apps. Kinda wishing I'd brought my ZTE Blade along, although that's only a tri-band. Plus the keyboard is pants.

Also the camera doesn't seem to be quite as good as I remember (although it might be the N4 has a better camera, not sure yet) and the battery life is struggling to last the day despite not using it too heavily, not sure if the battery is just wearing out or what...

Edited by MarkRSi on Sunday 7th July 03:13

[Brother D]

The missus got a 920 for work. I make no bones - I dislike iphones - I hate the tied into apple for everything, I am an adroid-boy on principle alone.

However, first impressions (she's the only person I know with a nokia), it looks good and actually quite like it! Design and features are pretty good and I would say I prefer it to my galaxy s3. May change opinion over time, but initial impressions are very good.

[wolves_wanderer]

clonmult said:

I know of the "EOS". Sounds like its using the 808 sensor.

Which is excellent, I've now had one since it was released. Can't think of any reason to "upgrade", as overall it looks like being a downgrade (stereo audio recording?).

I don't know if the audio side has been confirmed yet, although it is supposed to have OIS which I don't think the 808 has?

[uncinqsix]

Was seriously considering a 520 for my wife, and the demo one in the shop looked great. However, there's no WP8 Strava app (which she uses for her running), and neither is the Swiftkey keyboard available (she has got very used to it with her old phone). Just little things, but enough to tip the balance back towards Android.

Shame really, as the hardware combined with the WP8 interface looked like a real winner.

[grumbledoak]

I had an HTC Wildfire S. With SwiftKey. And Juice Defender. Next on my list was an Alarm app that wasn't designed by the dribblingly stupid. Then I asked myself "Why the Hell doesn't it do this stuff out of the box?" and tried the Nokia 520.

Still, no point winning an argument with the wife over it.

[lestag]

uncinqsix said:

Was seriously considering a 520 for my wife, and the demo one in the shop looked great. However, there's no WP8 Strava app (which she uses for her running), and neither is the Swiftkey keyboard available (she has got very used to it with her old phone). Just little things, but enough to tip the balance back towards Android.

Shame really, as the hardware combined with the WP8 interface looked like a real winner.

http://wmpoweruser.com/a-new-wp8-app-for-cyclists-cyclometer/
http://winsource.com/2012/12/12/wp8-vs-swiftkey-ke...
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/chaser...


You know you want to

Edited by lestag on Sunday 7th July 11:09

[clonmult]

wolves_wanderer said:

clonmult said:

I know of the "EOS". Sounds like its using the 808 sensor.

Which is excellent, I've now had one since it was released. Can't think of any reason to "upgrade", as overall it looks like being a downgrade (stereo audio recording?).

I don't know if the audio side has been confirmed yet, although it is supposed to have OIS which I don't think the 808 has?

I haven't seen anything about it having OIS other than badly uncomfirmed rumours.

The OIS as seen on the 920, 925 an d928 is of absolutely no benefit at all for stills - image quality is pretty lame.

The pictures seen so far definitely don't show it having a similar microphone array to the 808, so on that count it'll still be a relatively poor choice for gigging. And if it uses a similar xenon flash as used on the 928, the 808 will still hold a useful lead on low light imaging.

It is definitely going to be welcome, as good as the 808 is, its a niche product. Nokia only really produced it as a technology demonstrator.

And ultimately I find WP a complete and utter abortion in interface design.

[wolves_wanderer]

I think that OIS combined with an 808esque sensor would open up some really interesting opportunities for stills, and the benefits for video are obvious even on the 920. As far as interface goes then it is all personal preference, personally I would have bought an 808 if it wasn't hobbled with Symbian.

[clonmult]

wolves_wanderer said:

I think that OIS combined with an 808esque sensor would open up some really interesting opportunities for stills, and the benefits for video are obvious even on the 920. As far as interface goes then it is all personal preference, personally I would have bought an 808 if it wasn't hobbled with Symbian.

Sounds like you haven't used one, Symbian on the 808 may have superficial similarities to previous Symbian devices, but the reality is very different. There are still interface irritations, but then I've found plenty of things on the iPhone that wind me up something rotten as well.

OIS as it is on the 920 is only of any use for video. The stills from it are no better than those from any other current mobile. The 928 (with the xenon) isn't even slightly close to even the N8, let alone the 808 in ability.

The only area where it lacked is that it doesn't have hundreds of thousands of applications. And I valued having an indecently good all round camera in my pocket rather than having a pocket warmer (the 4S does get indecently warm when used).

[uncinqsix]

grumbledoak said:

I had an HTC Wildfire S. With SwiftKey. And Juice Defender. Next on my list was an Alarm app that wasn't designed by the dribblingly stupid. Then I asked myself "Why the Hell doesn't it do this stuff out of the box?" and tried the Nokia 520.

Still, no point winning an argument with the wife over it.

True. Although I must say I find the stock alarm clock on my Galaxy works perfectly well.

lestag said:

http://wmpoweruser.com/a-new-wp8-app-for-cyclists-...
http://winsource.com/2012/12/12/wp8-vs-swiftkey-ke...
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/chaser...


You know you want to

Edited by lestag on Sunday 7th July 11:09

Strava have apparently changed their API so none of the WP8 apps can upload anymore. I would expect them to release the new API to developers, but they haven't yet, and I've learnt not to assume anything where these things are concerned. That keyboard looks good though.

The HTC Desire X was on sale for the same price as the 520, so I bought Herself one of those instead. She's perfectly happy with it, and it does look pretty good for the money.

I still think the thread title is quite funny given how things have transpired

[lestag]

uncinqsix said:

Strava have apparently changed their API so none of the WP8 apps can upload anymore. I would expect them to release the new API to developers, but they haven't yet, and I've learnt not to assume anything where these things are concerned. That keyboard looks good though.

The HTC Desire X was on sale for the same price as the 520, so I bought Herself one of those instead. She's perfectly happy with it, and it does look pretty good for the money.

I still think the thread title is quite funny given how things have transpired

ah well , perhaps strava will release an app for wp8 tomorrow.....
Yeah , re the tile, there appear to be "lots" of people moving over to WP8 and especially in the last 2 years since the first post, there are loads of apps for wp7/8

I think the 520 is really good value the money, compared to some of the android phones at a similar price.
But for me I will stay with my 800 until wp "next" is out. Apart from front facing camera , I really can't see anything pressing to make me buy a wp8, but then again my requirements are few, I have no need for a lumia 1020.

[simonrockman]

I've just gone from an 800 to a 925 and really like the multitasking.

Simon

[lestag]

simonrockman said:

I've just gone from an 800 to a 925 and really like the multitasking.

Simon

ah true there is that. Definitely! skype is useless on an 800 because of lack of multitasking

[bodhi]

uncinqsix said:

I still think the thread title is quite funny given how things have transpired

Given Nokia's Q1 2013 shipments were down 30% on the previous years, I'd say the thread title was still pretty accurate. I wouldn't let the fact we have all of the UK WinMo fans on one thread cloud your judgement.

[lestag]

bodhi said:

Given Nokia's Q1 2013 shipments were down 30% on the previous years, I'd say the thread title was still pretty accurate. I wouldn't let the fact we have all of the UK WinMo fans on one thread cloud your judgement.

lies damned lies and statistics

http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-q1-lumia-shipments-up-2...
By the numbers:
Lumia shipments were 5.6 million, up from 4.4 million in the fourth quarter

Around two-thirds of all Lumia shipments were Windows Phone 8-based products

Total smart device sales totaled 6.1 million during the quarter

Total volume sales were down 25 percent year-over-year

Nokia was expected to make a loss of €0.04 ($0.05) per share on revenue of €6.63 billion ($8.73bn). Compared to the year ago quarter, however, when Nokia announced an operating loss of €1.34 billion on €7.35 billion in revenue, things are certainly looking better.

[bodhi]

lestag said:

lies damned lies and statistics

http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-q1-lumia-shipments-up-2...
By the numbers:
Lumia shipments were 5.6 million, up from 4.4 million in the fourth quarter

Around two-thirds of all Lumia shipments were Windows Phone 8-based products

Total smart device sales totaled 6.1 million during the quarter

Total volume sales were down 25 percent year-over-year

Nokia was expected to make a loss of €0.04 ($0.05) per share on revenue of €6.63 billion ($8.73bn). Compared to the year ago quarter, however, when Nokia announced an operating loss of €1.34 billion on €7.35 billion in revenue, things are certainly looking better.

Not what I read here http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/07/01/sony-mobile-a...

Note its from a Sony blog so fairly impartial.

Plus the analysts don't think WinMo wil save them.

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_should_look_to_andro...

Just saying.

[simonrockman]

I've spent a lot of time around analysts in the mobile space. With the exception of Ben and Shaun at CCS Insight they mostly talk bks.

Simon