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AC43
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77 months
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MikeM3Power said: Virtually silent is good, I assume the V8 gives it a little note. I drove the S350 the other week and I quite liked the silent grunt of the V6 in that. In my E500 there is virtually no discernable engine note unless you are (a) giving it beans and (b) in the 4000-6000rpm zone. At which point it makes a great v8 rrrrrriiiiiip. Haven't been in a 350 of any description but I'd imagine it's similar. The E500 exhaust is also whisper quiet Overall I like it - I tend to do long family trips in in and the silence is very relaxing. It also helps bring out the best in the monster HK sound system in mine. In the C43's there was always more background rumble, some of which would have been from engine and exhaust In fantasy land I'd go for, say, a switchable exhaust so you I could have loud or quite depending on my mood. Because AMG's do sound mentalist when you turn them up.
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MikeM3Power
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161 posts
35 months
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Thanks for the info AC
I actually drove a friends 02 SL500, I love the grumble. Cant beat that V8 grumble, the AMG 55 must sound absolutely mental.
Now Im after a CLK500/55 and not a SL500 like the one I drove today but few things i noticed.
From the info I know of the CLK500/55 just seems to have more 'toys'. Maybe this is because of bigger car? But things like gear shift on steering wheel on the CLK which isnt present on the SL, The large computer being in the speedo, the fuel gauge and temp being digital, distantronic etc.
Although I didnt fully get to boot it, I expected more 'beans'. It was nice, fast but maybe because thought it would be neck breaking it wasn't. I do understand though for full appreciation it has to be on a nice long big road. Around town almost didnt have enough space to get a quick boot in (like an e36 M3 which I previously had). Assuming the 55 AMG will have a lot more kick in a smaller amount of space?
Sorry to go on.
Also the friend told me that he is really unhappy with the sat nav unit. I believe it is the comand unit. He said its bit outdated in terms of design etc. What do you guys think of it. I am talking circa 03/04 units.
Thanks guys!
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AC43
1,973 posts
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The auto gearbox blunts acceleration in lower gears unless you manually override it. If you so, and give it full throttle you get instantaneous thrust.
I find COMAND fine for my uses. The only irritating things are that it only takes the first 5 characters of a postcode (fixed on more recent versions) and that up update DVD is c £200. I'm sure the graphics of Tom Toms, etc are a million miles better but I'm not interested as I prefer a fully integrated system. Mine has sat nav, bluetooth phone, radio (FM/AM/LW/SW), CD/DVD player in dash and a CD changer in boot. All with 420 watts of HK 7.1. It used to have TV too until the digital switchover. I could hook an iPod up if I wanted to.
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MikeM3Power
Original Poster
161 posts
35 months
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Thanks AC You may fine this interesting then mate: http://www.car-vision.co.uk/230-merc-navi-dvdTake a look and tell me what you think. And any other comments regarding my last post like equipment levels etc? Funny enough I actually found the S350 (2011) more rapid then the SL500 (2002 i drove yesterday). Also i know the SL is a heavy heavy car and the CLK would be a lot lighter, so i guess it would seem more rapid.
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Luke.
5,754 posts
119 months
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MikeM3Power said: Thanks AC You may fine this interesting then mate: http://www.car-vision.co.uk/230-merc-navi-dvdTake a look and tell me what you think. And any other comments regarding my last post like equipment levels etc? Funny enough I actually found the S350 (2011) more rapid then the SL500 (2002 i drove yesterday). Also i know the SL is a heavy heavy car and the CLK would be a lot lighter, so i guess it would seem more rapid. Looking at the E55k at the mo. Staggering performance it would seem. 0-100 in 10.4 or so.
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AC43
1,973 posts
77 months
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MikeM3Power said: Thanks AC You may fine this interesting then mate: http://www.car-vision.co.uk/230-merc-navi-dvdTake a look and tell me what you think. And any other comments regarding my last post like equipment levels etc? Funny enough I actually found the S350 (2011) more rapid then the SL500 (2002 i drove yesterday). Also i know the SL is a heavy heavy car and the CLK would be a lot lighter, so i guess it would seem more rapid. Those replacement units look interesting - although the postcode thing is an irritation rather than a show stopper. With regards to kit I can't really comment on CLK's. C43, C32's and C55's seem to come with pretty high specs, though. I think E55's tend to too. E500's can come in suprisingly low specs - I hung on till I found the one I wanted (with just about everything).
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shentodj
286 posts
97 months
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My wife has 2003 CLK500 Convertible. We've had it several years now, bought it with 6K miles and we've done 45k miles. We bought the CLK as it had more rear-seat and boot space for touring on family hols (have done several European trips) than BMW 3 series, Audi A3 or Saab 900. Had problems with electrics (hood micro-switches, and seat and steering wheel adjustment). We don't have Comand, heated seats or parking sensors. With hindsight I would have heated seats and parking sensors (look for hooded LEDs on dashtop and between rear seats) not sure about Comand as use Mobile for Sat-nav. We bought a 500 cos it was the one we saw and liked it. Didn't look at others. I think its quite quick, but doesn't feel it. Capable of keeping up with most things. It's also comfy (despite 500 being lower/stiffer than 320s etc). I'm sure we'd like a 55amg, but one of the nice things about the 500 is that it's so understated for its performance - its nice to surprise people from time to time. I agree about noise - it doesn't make much, but when I hear it start and leave in the morning, it's obvious its quite a large engine (subtle again). MPG = 18-23, never more than 25. Ours doesn't have gearchange on steering wheel. Can tap lever from side to side, but hardly ever do. We don't find front seats particularly comfy - might be worth trying sports seats. We don't find heating to rear any good - kids always cold, we're always roasting. If you have any other more specific questions - feel free. Regards, Shentodj
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MikeM3Power
Original Poster
161 posts
35 months
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Hey Shentodj
Seems you have the CLK500 elegance, seeing as you dont have sports seats nor steering wheel gear shift? I am thinking the Advangarde trim would have tons more spec. I think the advangarde trim as the exact same spec as the CLK55 AMG minus the AMG gearing ratio, the tuning and the body styling. But everything else is the same and stardard like Comand, heated and cooled seats, parking sensors etc. Am i right? Also does your CLK500 have distronic? Keyless entry?
Having a 5+ litre V8 monster, getting around 23mpg is damm good id say lol.
AC43, the reason I sent you the link is although its not a show stopper these units allow for digital signal, better sat nav mapping, blue tooth etc. Plus looks retrofit. Price isnt bad too as its unbranded. And I guess same question applies AC, you said some of the E500s come in low spec but would that be due to the trim level? See above.
I definitely would be looking for the absolute top trim with every extra, like the ad that was posted a few messages back. Is there a kind of trim level extras chart? I'll check parkers.
Thanks guys
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AC43
1,973 posts
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shentodj said: I think its quite quick, but doesn't feel it. Capable of keeping up with most things. Probably v similar to the E500 (5.0) which is something like 5.8s to 60 and 14-ish to 100. shentodj said: It's also comfy (despite 500 being lower/stiffer than 320s etc). Always a priority in a Merc. Sometimes when I passenger in a BM or Audi i wish the development engineers had though more about the passengers. shentodj said: I'm sure we'd like a 55amg, but one of the nice things about the 500 is that it's so understated for its performance - its nice to surprise people from time to time. Very true. My wife was somehow under the impression I'd bought an E class diesel for two weeks until I performed a rather impressive five car overtake in Norfolk and blew my cover. shentodj said: I agree about noise - it doesn't make much, but when I hear it start and leave in the morning, it's obvious its quite a large engine (subtle again). Yes, from the outside you get a bit of a woofle from the exhaust shentodj said: MPG = 18-23, never more than 25. Same for mine. The 5.4 adds 2-3 mpg to that shentodj said: Ours doesn't have gearchange on steering wheel. Can tap lever from side to side, but hardly ever do. Same here. If I want to press on a bit I normally stick the g/box in S. Only use the lever for fun very occasionally (does make it a lot faster below 50 though).
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MikeM3Power
Original Poster
161 posts
35 months
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The SL500 sounded nice too 
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AC43
1,973 posts
77 months
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MikeM3Power said: Hey Shentodj
You said some of the E500s come in low spec but would that be due to the trim level? See above. It's two years since I bought mine and I can't remember all the ins and of the various trim levels and anyway they were for E Classes. But someone had paid an additional stack of cash on mine for HK, TV, DVD, bluetooth phone pre-wire, sunroof, sun kit (extra visors and rear blinds), convenience kit (electric memory seats and wheel), electric tailgate, seven seat option and kiddie pack (pop up boosters in rear seats). Basically everything except Linguatronic, Distronic and the electric extending boot floor(which you can't get with the seven seat option anyway) Things standard on E500's over and above non-500's at the time included quad zone air, 17's, xenons, air suspension and 7G. Basically it took a fair but of reseach to work all that out - all over at mbclub.co.uk where no doubt you could find someone to give you a more refinitive view of the CLK 500's.
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shentodj
286 posts
97 months
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re: Avantgarde v Elegance options... These are trim levels - Aluminium (Avant) v Wood (Eleg) dash trim. I think the options like Comand, Distronic, Heated seats etc are a separate choice of options when new. My wife's car is pretty basic, it doesn't have Distronic (just normal cruise) or keyless entry (just normal fob).
Regards, Shentodj
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MikeM3Power
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161 posts
35 months
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Of course, makes sense.
Bit confusing, i thought i was told it like this: Elegance - Comfort trim Sports - Sporty trim, harder suspension etc Avant - Top spec trim with all trimmings, minus extras that people pay for.
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AC43
1,973 posts
77 months
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MikeM3Power said: Of course, makes sense.
Bit confusing, i thought i was told it like this: Elegance - Comfort trim Sports - Sporty trim, harder suspension etc Avant - Top spec trim with all trimmings, minus extras that people pay for.
?? I've had Mercs for nine years and I've never really figured all this out. I think Elegance is a more basic spec with the softest suspension available. When I think of elegance I also think of small wheels and wood-coloured wood. I think these may be the default settings. Both my C43's and my E500 came in Avantgarde. Carbon trim and black maplewood trim respectively. (much more to my taste) The facelift E500 also came in Sport trim which I think had firmer suspension than the AG and also 18's and dual exhausts. (best looking)
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shentodj
286 posts
97 months
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I can't comment on all Elegance, but I was told that the 500 had uprated suspension/brakes over the smaller engines.
Regards, Shentodj
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MikeM3Power
Original Poster
161 posts
35 months
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This is almost as confusing as BMWs and all their trims  Its funny because you never see a CLK500 sport, its only ever in Elegance or Avantgarde. Right? AC, the E500 you have. What year is it? Shen, the CLK500 would have a more performance spec over smaller engines but i dont know if this helps? http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/mercedes-ben...
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AC43
1,973 posts
77 months
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MikeM3Power said: This is almost as confusing as BMWs and all their trims  Its funny because you never see a CLK500 sport, its only ever in Elegance or Avantgarde. Right? AC, the E500 you have. What year is it? It'a a March 2005. The facelift cam in in late 2005. Amongst other things the facelift models got the new 5.4 motor and the Sport version appeared for the first time.
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shentodj
286 posts
97 months
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I can't comment on all Elegance, but I was told that the 500 had uprated suspension/brakes over the smaller engines.
Regards, Shentodj
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swindorski
842 posts
152 months
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As far as I am aware Avantgarde trim replaced Sport - i.e a name change only (also Elegance replaced Classic? But not so sure).
Not sure if that helps....
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Blues
8,349 posts
88 months
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A very helpful topic, thanks to OP and contributors. I too am looking at either a Clk 500 or 55 AMG - but the convertible model. It seems like there are a few out there with low milage for under £10k, which is a huge amount of car for the money.
Any issues I should specifically look out for with the soft top?
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