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Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Started with the obvious. Rotor arm and cap are both brand new and bone dry.

I took the temperature sensor out of the air box and with a hair drier and multimeter to check resistance it works fine.

Now the engine is warm so she's on a button with a little throttle to open the choke.

Now the hunt begins for the fuel filter. The car is fueling well but I'll fit a new one as she's only done 300 miles since the M.O.T last July. I suspect it's full of degraded sludge and could be a contributing factor.


Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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50p per CC?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-S-Class-S500-W2...

I'll get my tape measure and some Duct Tape. wink

V12 AMG

712 posts

109 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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M113 is a very solid and reliable motor. That's why they're so cheap and plentiful. Unfortunately you won't get it running in the 190 without some expensive engine management electronics.

V12 AMG

712 posts

109 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Are you searching for the fuel filter on your car or for a replacement part?
The filter is strapped to the fuel pump underneath the car in front of the rear suspension. Small plastic cover over it. Couple of plastic 10mm nuts hold it on.

Liquid Knight

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Saturday 18th April 2015
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V12 AMG said:
Are you searching for the fuel filter on your car or for a replacement part?
The filter is strapped to the fuel pump underneath the car in front of the rear suspension. Small plastic cover over it. Couple of plastic 10mm nuts hold it on.
Both. I even had the back seat and boot liner out thinking was in the tank. I have an E36 M3 fuel filter I think that might fit.

I noticed the plastic cover and I had forgotten how good the rear subframe set up was. smile

As for V8 conversions. I was looking for a simple solution, so V8 with a distributor and either carb'/carb's or K-jet' set up so in theory it could be a plug in and play job (how many times has someone said that and three years later still not got it running?). 80's V8's from a 380SL maybe. That way all I will have to do is swap the 1 for a 3 on the boot. hehe

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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One issue I have managed to address today is the...

Marvin the Martian said:
I'm very angry.
...horn with the twin trumpet air horn from a Maserati Shamal.



I don't do subtle. wink

V12 AMG

712 posts

109 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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The 420 is the easiest swap. Simple and compact engine. Could go to a 500 but the V has a wider angle and takes up significantly more space. I don't know how you feel about cutting up your bulk head though? If you're game for that then an early M119 500 is the cheapest way to good power.

Liquid Knight

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183 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mercedes-sl-w107-380sl-e...

That engine had less than twelve hours to go and I was the winning bidder at 99p. wink

I can't think why it was ended and re-listed. rolleyes


eBay message said:
Hoi you time wasting tosspot! Set a censored reserve.
furious



ShampooEfficient

4,267 posts

211 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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I have two 190 projects, and I wholeheartedly approve of this one. Any time you're in Teesside, give me a shout...

Also there's a load of technical info on the owners forum, I cant remember the site so Google "Mercedes 190 UK"... biggrin

Liquid Knight

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Sunday 19th April 2015
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ShampooEfficient said:
I have two 190 projects, and I wholeheartedly approve of this one. Any time you're in Teesside, give me a shout...

Also there's a load of technical info on the owners forum, I cant remember the site so Google "Mercedes 190 UK"... biggrin
By all means everyone add to this thread with your projects as between paydays I don't really get a lot done. This month has paid for the car so a couple of bits from my shed and a keyring will be about it. wink

bmthnick1981

5,310 posts

216 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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sim16v said:
He helaugh

500E M119 taken to 6.0L, ported/flowed heads, Omex management and an ASA charger, all bolted to a 5 speed manual boxnuts

All in a Berg Cup style W124 CE.












Oh, and sorry for the thread hijack!
Awesome!

Liquid Knight

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Sunday 19th April 2015
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Okay the M3 filter is completely different. Typically. As it's under cover the one on the car it could be deceptively clean. The car runs perfectly one started so I'm 90% sure it isn't a filter issue. I'm also 50/50 about the K-Jet' diaphragm. I'll see if I can get the injectors out and test them. The cold injector will be first.


Liquid Knight

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Sunday 19th April 2015
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So yesterday I tested the airbox temperature probe and found it works. So I've placed it in a cup of frozen sweetcorn...



...unplugged the injector and rigged up the multimeter...



...5.36V was the best spike. scratchchin



I took the injector off completely and rigged it up to an old bike battery. It clicked open just fine and I could blow through it easily so it isn't blocked or knackered. I put it back on the car to test start again...



...no fuel spray at all. Not even a dribble.

So either I chilled the wrong probe and it needs to be the one next to the thermostat (I'll let the car cool and run the meter over the injector plug again) or there's a circuit/loom/ecu issue stopping the cold injector from working. I wonder if I can rig the cold injector to a manual push button.

Turn the key.
Push the button to open the cold injector.
Car starts.

Could be worth looking into.

Liquid Knight

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Sunday 19th April 2015
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Cleaned the terminals and it only took three minutes to start instead of seven. woohoo

The plot thickens. wink

V12 AMG

712 posts

109 months

Monday 20th April 2015
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Liquid Knight said:
furious
I would really look out for a 420 rather than the 380.
Same external size, but the 420 produces an extra 27bhp and 20Nm as standard over the 380.

Liquid Knight

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Monday 20th April 2015
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I've flattened the battery trying to start the car today. Just as well I'm in no hurry to get anywhere. I'll try rigging the cold start injector to a switch next as it obviously isn't working at all.

Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

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Monday 20th April 2015
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Okay this is a bit of a bodge but I need a car that works. I've wired a switch to the cold start injector via the Hazard light live feed.



That was the "Will it work?" phase now I know it does I've tidied it up a fair bit.



Stealthy black switch for now. I'll see if I can find a push button or just wait for the new coolant temperature probe to arrive. On the topic of things arriving...



...I told you I'd buy a keyring. wink

Liquid Knight

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Monday 20th April 2015
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So one problem solved and another rears it's head. This time the ABS light came on and the car started to have that cat litter tray left out in the Sun smell. It was only coming from the passenger side front so I took the wheel off the find the pads are due and disc wasn't a lot of cop either.

Brakes and suspension were top of my list anyway as they should always be so now I have "190E Breaking" in my eBay search profile waiting for a parts bin upgrade. wink

sim16v

2,176 posts

201 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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Liquid Knight said:
By all means everyone add to this thread with your projects as between paydays I don't really get a lot done. This month has paid for the car so a couple of bits from my shed and a keyring will be about it. wink
Projects you say.....

My 190 3.0-24, soon to be a 3.6-24






And my latest 190, a 2.3-16 with the engine in bits, in the boot!

Was thinking 230 Kompressor, but still undecided on what engine to go for...




Liquid Knight

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15,754 posts

183 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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230 Kompressor won't set Welsh alarm bells off. A change of capacity would. 3.6 and twenty four valves? Where did I hear that before from a 90's car?



Just need the twin turbo's. wink