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Liquid Knight

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Monday 20th April 2015
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Okay this is a bit of a bodge but I need a car that works. I've wired a switch to the cold start injector via the Hazard light live feed.



That was the "Will it work?" phase now I know it does I've tidied it up a fair bit.



Stealthy black switch for now. I'll see if I can find a push button or just wait for the new coolant temperature probe to arrive. On the topic of things arriving...



...I told you I'd buy a keyring. wink

Liquid Knight

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Monday 20th April 2015
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So one problem solved and another rears it's head. This time the ABS light came on and the car started to have that cat litter tray left out in the Sun smell. It was only coming from the passenger side front so I took the wheel off the find the pads are due and disc wasn't a lot of cop either.

Brakes and suspension were top of my list anyway as they should always be so now I have "190E Breaking" in my eBay search profile waiting for a parts bin upgrade. wink

Liquid Knight

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Tuesday 21st April 2015
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230 Kompressor won't set Welsh alarm bells off. A change of capacity would. 3.6 and twenty four valves? Where did I hear that before from a 90's car?



Just need the twin turbo's. wink


Liquid Knight

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Tuesday 21st April 2015
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I do like those plastic covers, erm I mean engines. hehe

Back to my car and I have a new starting procedure.

1/ Turn the key and wait for the fuel pump to stop.
2/ Turn again to initialise the starter motor.
3/ Flick the cold start switch for three second.
4/ Drive carefully for the first half a mile as she's a little spluttery.

Works first time every time. smile

Liquid Knight

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Tuesday 21st April 2015
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BigBen said:
The cold start regulator is controlled by a relay with its own fuse on top of it. Replacing this fuse on my R107 SL fixed cold starting issues so could be worth tracking down on your 190.

Good work on the 3.6 transplants, my R107 is currently in the process of a similar swap.
The OVP? I couldn't find it anywhere.

Liquid Knight

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Tuesday 21st April 2015
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V12 AMG said:
OVP is behind battery. The black plastic cover is easily removable and exposes the fuel pump relay, OVP and injection ECU.
I'll have a look in the morning (at work). The battery isn't clamped in so I'll add that to my list of things to do. wink

Liquid Knight

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Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Liquid Knight

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Sunday 26th April 2015
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So it's been about a week and I'm pretty happy with the old bus. She has a few issues, the rear subframe wobble and it feels like the gearbox cross member is loose due to the prop'shaft rubbers. The front brakes are stating to squeak. I didn't want to replace the standard discs and pads as part of the upgrades I have planned for later Cosworth hubs, brakes and so on were going to be fitted. If I replace the standard items out of necessity I may as well do the best I can with the calipers and hubs I have.

Wallowy soft ride with a bit more lean than I remember but as quick as my old Punto Sporting (1.6) point to point and as economical as my Alfa GTV thanks to the long gears.

220 miles on £40 worth of petrol works out a little under thirty four to the (UK) Gallon (miraculous considering the cold start problems I had initially).

I was looking at mad body kits, a tidier two tone paint job (bright red up top with a deep metallic burgundy lower section) and upgraded wheels in a retro-chav way but I feel that because you don't see enough 190E's on the road these days (I've only seen two this year) and my complete lack of money means anything spent on styling is a waste of tuning budget; Q-Car. wink

Just waiting for my mate to get back to me about his rear end write off CLK 230K six speed. smile

Should be good for nearly double the bhp, two thirds the 0-60 and 30+ extra mph. woohoo

Liquid Knight

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Sunday 26th April 2015
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Thanks to the 190E Facebook page I found this place...

http://www.190parts.co.uk/

...I was going to get standard brakes from eBay but these guys are cheaper. smile

Liquid Knight

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Monday 27th April 2015
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This morning a new warning light illuminated on the dash.



ASD or AER fault according to the manual but as you can see this one has nothing written on it to say what it is.

rolleyes

Liquid Knight

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Monday 27th April 2015
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Yes to that! smile

So I finally got down with OVP (ask your parents)...



...pain in the faff of a job to get to but the fuse was blown and the terminals were a bit cacked up. New fuse and cleaned up the points with WD40 and a toothbrush, plugged the cold injector back in and I have a new start procedure.

Turn the key and go. woohoo

All but the coolant level light is out and the car is completely different animal. No wet nursing a spluttery cold engine, no back firing just after starting the old girl up, no flat spot and I can now sit at 30mph in fifth without the car feeling as if she's about to stall. What a difference a fuse makes.

On that topic this is one of the most accurate speedometers I have ever had on any car. 30 is 30, 40 is 39.5, 50 is 49.5, 60 is 60 and 70 is 70.5mph for a car this old that is amazing. My Panda for example 30 is 28, 40 is 36, 50 is 46, 60 is 58 and 70 is 67.5 My old works 2010 Corsa 30 was 28, 40 was 37, 50 was 47, 60 was 54, 70 was 63 and 70 on the Sat' Nav' was between 75 and 80 according to the speedo'. Of course this means if I get pulled for speeding I can't use the...

"Sorry officer it's an old car"

...excuse that has saved my licence more times than Henrik Lundqvist has saved for the Rangers this season. hehe

I had a go with that G3 stuff and apart from making my garden look like a snow globe it's useless. Did a good job on my Panda bonnet though. I have a plan for the 190E. I'm starting to appreciate subtle. wink

Liquid Knight

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Wednesday 29th April 2015
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I haven't heard from my mate with the CLK for a while. He works stranger hours than I do so this is nothing new.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mercedes-clk230-/2718511...

I hope this one stays cheap as a back up. hehe

The plan being sell the parts I don't need to cover the cost of the donor car. smile


Liquid Knight

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Wednesday 29th April 2015
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How do the Italians treat you with a right hand drive out there? There were a bit arsy with me when I was over in my Panda.

On the topic of Fiats. I'm having a shed clear out on eBay...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261865677542?ssPageName=...

...reserve set at a new set of discs and pads all round. smile

Liquid Knight

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Saturday 2nd May 2015
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So the last £40 got me 225 miles before the reserve light came back on.

£40 / £1.14.9 = 34.81L

34.81 / 5.5 = 6.33G

225 miles / 6.33G = 35.54mpg

Not bad at all. Normal "up to the speed limit spiritedly" driving. hehe

Brake bits are on the way and I have a bottle of predator blood (Coma) coolant ready for the new sensor to arrive. smile

Liquid Knight

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Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Another £40 and 434 miles.

£80 / £1.149 = 69.63L

69.63 / 5.5 = 12.66G

434 miles / 12.66G = 34.28mpg

Nice and consistent. smile

More good news. I fitted the brass temperature sensor last night and it made no difference. So today I took the expansion tank off, removed the ballcock level indicator and it was covered in what looked like mud. I'm guessing Radweld. Cleaned it off, cleaned the tank out, cleaned the terminals, put it all back together and topped up with tap water for now.

I now have no lights on my dash at all! woohoo

I'll use this evenings commute to flush the water through the system, drain it tomorrow and fill with Coma Predator blood coolant. smile

The front discs, front and rear pads arrived today so I can do the front brakes on my days off this week and if the rear discs arrive in time that'll be done over the weekend (at work as I'll have nothing else to do). The M.O.T advisory items will be dealt with this payday as it's the last one before she's due another test. As she's a 93 I can't do the bike carb's conversion so back to the drawing board so far as tuning goes.

Liquid Knight

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Thursday 7th May 2015
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Here's a top tip for coolant flushing.



Stick a Guinness widget in the end of the radiator lower pipe so the flush doesn't fall out of the bottom.

Liquid Knight

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Friday 8th May 2015
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Front brakes done. smile



Fair to say the old bus needed it. Just waiting for the rear discs to show up.

A little something I do on my threads (to fill them out a bit) is "Tool of the Job"



Apart from things like ball joint splitting there are a few tools out there designed to do one job. I hate that and have always thought a piston pusher would be a waste of money and valuable shed space. So I when doing brake pads and discs I have always used welding clamps to push the piston back. Just for that it's today's "Tool of the Job". bow

Liquid Knight

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Friday 8th May 2015
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Does anyone have an AC bracket kicking about?

I need a photo' and size of the pulley. If I get a low boost supercharger mounted where the air conditioning pump lives I can plumb it into the original engine and balance the Air/Fuel dealt with using bigger injectors from a 2.0 smile

Liquid Knight

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Tuesday 12th May 2015
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531 miles for £100 of Petrol.

£100 / £1.149 = 89.7l

89.7l / 5.5 = 16.31G

531 miles / 16.31G = 32.56mpg

She's slipping. hehe

In other news the rear disc arrived today so I can fit those and the new pads tomorrow. Another thing to cross off the list of pre-M.O.T jobs.


Liquid Knight

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Wednesday 13th May 2015
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I think a slight change of plan maybe afoot. I've been offered a 1984 230CE for £400 smile

Classic 230CE with modern 230 Kompressor power would be more fun than the 190E (just about). Keep the 190E standard and play with the 230 maybe?