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Twin turbo you say....
My mate who built the white 124 Coupe had the original Turbo Technics development car, a 124 320 saloon, manual, with full sportline options.
The engine looked like this:
And here's the 12v version, in a 3.0L 190.
And if you have the parts, why not go the whole hog, a Brabus 124 Coupe with twin turbo treatment
My mate who built the white 124 Coupe had the original Turbo Technics development car, a 124 320 saloon, manual, with full sportline options.
The engine looked like this:
And here's the 12v version, in a 3.0L 190.
And if you have the parts, why not go the whole hog, a Brabus 124 Coupe with twin turbo treatment
I do like those plastic covers, erm I mean engines. 
Back to my car and I have a new starting procedure.
1/ Turn the key and wait for the fuel pump to stop.
2/ Turn again to initialise the starter motor.
3/ Flick the cold start switch for three second.
4/ Drive carefully for the first half a mile as she's a little spluttery.
Works first time every time.
Back to my car and I have a new starting procedure.
1/ Turn the key and wait for the fuel pump to stop.
2/ Turn again to initialise the starter motor.
3/ Flick the cold start switch for three second.
4/ Drive carefully for the first half a mile as she's a little spluttery.
Works first time every time.
ShampooEfficient said:
Does this mean the 3.0 is coming out? Manual or auto? *in need of a 3.x litre straight six for one of his*
The 3.0L is dead, a major problem on one cylinder.What is it you actually need/want?
I've got a spare 3.0 12v and I think i've still got an auto box kicking about for one.
BigBen said:
The cold start regulator is controlled by a relay with its own fuse on top of it. Replacing this fuse on my R107 SL fixed cold starting issues so could be worth tracking down on your 190.
Good work on the 3.6 transplants, my R107 is currently in the process of a similar swap.
The OVP? I couldn't find it anywhere. Good work on the 3.6 transplants, my R107 is currently in the process of a similar swap.
Liquid Knight said:
BigBen said:
The cold start regulator is controlled by a relay with its own fuse on top of it. Replacing this fuse on my R107 SL fixed cold starting issues so could be worth tracking down on your 190.
Good work on the 3.6 transplants, my R107 is currently in the process of a similar swap.
The OVP? I couldn't find it anywhere. Good work on the 3.6 transplants, my R107 is currently in the process of a similar swap.
I'll throw something in here if you're interested.
I took a nice late 190E in a trade in a couple of years ago and had a lot of problems with the fuelling; mainly because a well intended "enthusiast" had made a helluva mess of setting it up. We eventually had it running a treat, but I had an idea about keeping it and turning it into a real Q car, mainly because the body was utterly immaculate and rust free.
I own an '86 500 SEC and I measured the engine dimensions and ancillaries and it would have fitted with very little modifications. The 5 litre Mercedes engine of that era is arguably one of the best engines ever produced and is a positive turbine of an engine with bags of torque. It is also all alloy making it comparatively light.
The 190 was the first production car with multi link suspension and it feels dead right on a corner and handles beautifully. Some upgrading would be required to handle the extra weight and power of the 5 litre unit, but you would have a terrific motor car with the legendary Mercedes reliability of that era.
Fitting huge turbos and overtly highly tuned engines is ludicrous and the path to emptying your bank account very quickly. The above is much more practical and just as much fun.
J
I took a nice late 190E in a trade in a couple of years ago and had a lot of problems with the fuelling; mainly because a well intended "enthusiast" had made a helluva mess of setting it up. We eventually had it running a treat, but I had an idea about keeping it and turning it into a real Q car, mainly because the body was utterly immaculate and rust free.
I own an '86 500 SEC and I measured the engine dimensions and ancillaries and it would have fitted with very little modifications. The 5 litre Mercedes engine of that era is arguably one of the best engines ever produced and is a positive turbine of an engine with bags of torque. It is also all alloy making it comparatively light.
The 190 was the first production car with multi link suspension and it feels dead right on a corner and handles beautifully. Some upgrading would be required to handle the extra weight and power of the 5 litre unit, but you would have a terrific motor car with the legendary Mercedes reliability of that era.
Fitting huge turbos and overtly highly tuned engines is ludicrous and the path to emptying your bank account very quickly. The above is much more practical and just as much fun.
J
So it's been about a week and I'm pretty happy with the old bus. She has a few issues, the rear subframe wobble and it feels like the gearbox cross member is loose due to the prop'shaft rubbers. The front brakes are stating to squeak. I didn't want to replace the standard discs and pads as part of the upgrades I have planned for later Cosworth hubs, brakes and so on were going to be fitted. If I replace the standard items out of necessity I may as well do the best I can with the calipers and hubs I have.
Wallowy soft ride with a bit more lean than I remember but as quick as my old Punto Sporting (1.6) point to point and as economical as my Alfa GTV thanks to the long gears.
220 miles on £40 worth of petrol works out a little under thirty four to the (UK) Gallon (miraculous considering the cold start problems I had initially).
I was looking at mad body kits, a tidier two tone paint job (bright red up top with a deep metallic burgundy lower section) and upgraded wheels in a retro-chav way but I feel that because you don't see enough 190E's on the road these days (I've only seen two this year) and my complete lack of money means anything spent on styling is a waste of tuning budget; Q-Car.
Just waiting for my mate to get back to me about his rear end write off CLK 230K six speed.
Should be good for nearly double the bhp, two thirds the 0-60 and 30+ extra mph.
Wallowy soft ride with a bit more lean than I remember but as quick as my old Punto Sporting (1.6) point to point and as economical as my Alfa GTV thanks to the long gears.
220 miles on £40 worth of petrol works out a little under thirty four to the (UK) Gallon (miraculous considering the cold start problems I had initially).
I was looking at mad body kits, a tidier two tone paint job (bright red up top with a deep metallic burgundy lower section) and upgraded wheels in a retro-chav way but I feel that because you don't see enough 190E's on the road these days (I've only seen two this year) and my complete lack of money means anything spent on styling is a waste of tuning budget; Q-Car.
Just waiting for my mate to get back to me about his rear end write off CLK 230K six speed.
Should be good for nearly double the bhp, two thirds the 0-60 and 30+ extra mph.
Thanks to the 190E Facebook page I found this place...
http://www.190parts.co.uk/
...I was going to get standard brakes from eBay but these guys are cheaper.
http://www.190parts.co.uk/
...I was going to get standard brakes from eBay but these guys are cheaper.
Yes to that!
So I finally got down with OVP (ask your parents)...
...pain in the faff of a job to get to but the fuse was blown and the terminals were a bit cacked up. New fuse and cleaned up the points with WD40 and a toothbrush, plugged the cold injector back in and I have a new start procedure.
Turn the key and go.
All but the coolant level light is out and the car is completely different animal. No wet nursing a spluttery cold engine, no back firing just after starting the old girl up, no flat spot and I can now sit at 30mph in fifth without the car feeling as if she's about to stall. What a difference a fuse makes.
On that topic this is one of the most accurate speedometers I have ever had on any car. 30 is 30, 40 is 39.5, 50 is 49.5, 60 is 60 and 70 is 70.5mph for a car this old that is amazing. My Panda for example 30 is 28, 40 is 36, 50 is 46, 60 is 58 and 70 is 67.5 My old works 2010 Corsa 30 was 28, 40 was 37, 50 was 47, 60 was 54, 70 was 63 and 70 on the Sat' Nav' was between 75 and 80 according to the speedo'. Of course this means if I get pulled for speeding I can't use the...
"Sorry officer it's an old car"
...excuse that has saved my licence more times than Henrik Lundqvist has saved for the Rangers this season.
I had a go with that G3 stuff and apart from making my garden look like a snow globe it's useless. Did a good job on my Panda bonnet though. I have a plan for the 190E. I'm starting to appreciate subtle.
So I finally got down with OVP (ask your parents)...
...pain in the faff of a job to get to but the fuse was blown and the terminals were a bit cacked up. New fuse and cleaned up the points with WD40 and a toothbrush, plugged the cold injector back in and I have a new start procedure.
Turn the key and go.
All but the coolant level light is out and the car is completely different animal. No wet nursing a spluttery cold engine, no back firing just after starting the old girl up, no flat spot and I can now sit at 30mph in fifth without the car feeling as if she's about to stall. What a difference a fuse makes.
On that topic this is one of the most accurate speedometers I have ever had on any car. 30 is 30, 40 is 39.5, 50 is 49.5, 60 is 60 and 70 is 70.5mph for a car this old that is amazing. My Panda for example 30 is 28, 40 is 36, 50 is 46, 60 is 58 and 70 is 67.5 My old works 2010 Corsa 30 was 28, 40 was 37, 50 was 47, 60 was 54, 70 was 63 and 70 on the Sat' Nav' was between 75 and 80 according to the speedo'. Of course this means if I get pulled for speeding I can't use the...
"Sorry officer it's an old car"
...excuse that has saved my licence more times than Henrik Lundqvist has saved for the Rangers this season.
I had a go with that G3 stuff and apart from making my garden look like a snow globe it's useless. Did a good job on my Panda bonnet though. I have a plan for the 190E. I'm starting to appreciate subtle.
Liquid Knight said:
Yes to that!
So I finally got down with OVP (ask your parents)...
...pain in the faff of a job to get to but the fuse was blown and the terminals were a bit cacked up. New fuse and cleaned up the points with WD40 and a toothbrush, plugged the cold injector back in and I have a new start procedure.
Turn the key and go.
I remember the sheer relief when replacing that fuse fixed my 300SL's cold start problems, what a great result and a cheap fix into the bargain. Well done.So I finally got down with OVP (ask your parents)...
...pain in the faff of a job to get to but the fuse was blown and the terminals were a bit cacked up. New fuse and cleaned up the points with WD40 and a toothbrush, plugged the cold injector back in and I have a new start procedure.
Turn the key and go.
I haven't heard from my mate with the CLK for a while. He works stranger hours than I do so this is nothing new.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mercedes-clk230-/2718511...
I hope this one stays cheap as a back up.
The plan being sell the parts I don't need to cover the cost of the donor car.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mercedes-clk230-/2718511...
I hope this one stays cheap as a back up.
The plan being sell the parts I don't need to cover the cost of the donor car.
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