Why hasnt this CL65 sold ?
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http://www.motors.co.uk/car-37221840/sp
Remember 2 up for sale end of last year at £25K.
This seems like a bargain, yet seems to have been up for a while.
Anyone been to see it?
Because the newer equivalents (CL, CLS) can be had for a bit more. They're faster and much nicer inside. Because the 65 isn't any real world faster than it's brother the 63. Because potential massive bills with turbochargers. Because considering the powerplant in standard format disappointing power @ 600 bhp.
Lovely looker though.
Lovely looker though.
BobTurner said:
You've inspected it then and been through it's service history in detail?
Just know the many stories of the dealer in question and I have first hand experience of 3 x w215 CLs and 9 x w220s we've run in the family. Including bi turbo V12s and 55Kompressors.Also decades of Mercedes specific motor trade experience...
Look at the panel gaps around the front end to start with! I wouldn't accept front end panel alignment like that on a £5000 used car, let alone a £15000 one.
Edited by V12 AMG on Thursday 30th April 18:09
popeyewhite said:
Because the newer equivalents (CL, CLS) can be had for a bit more. They're faster and much nicer inside. Because the 65 isn't any real world faster than it's brother the 63. Because potential massive bills with turbochargers. Because considering the powerplant in standard format disappointing power @ 600 bhp.
Lovely looker though.
That's absolute rubbish. The bi turbo V12s have buckets more torque than the 63 from a very low rpm. The driving characteristics are completely different and the 63 has to be worked hard to perform. The 63 is no where near as quick in standard form. With minor mods the 65 becomes a lot lot quicker and the 63 only marginally so.Lovely looker though.
The CLS is not nicer inside than a CL!?! CLS is a poor mans CL.
The only thing that makes some of the newer AMG cars is when they changed to he 7 speed box. This speed difference isn't shown in the real world because the bi turbo V12s will pull from any rpm effortlessly with the old 5 speeder.
I'm talking from real world experience not just hear say.
I'll agree on the potential big bills...that's a given. ABC, turbos, coil packs, brakes etc etc. All ££££s...
Edited by V12 AMG on Thursday 30th April 18:10
V12 AMG said:
That's absolute rubbish. The bi turbo V12s have buckets more torque than the 63 from a very low rpm. The driving characteristics are completely different and the 63 has to be worked hard to perform. The 63 is no where near as quick in standard form.
Really? the new Cl hits 60 in 4 secs, the Cl65 in 4.5. The CL63 is also faster to 100. Whilst you're correct the driving characteristics are different that's only because one is sharper than the other and a better drive. That's the CL63.V12 AMG said:
With minor mods the 65 becomes a lot lot quicker and the 63 only marginally so.
Minor mods will knock 0.5 off the 0-60? 
Might as well just buy the 63.V12 AMG said:
The CLS is not nicer inside than a CL!?! CLS is a poor mans CL.
Both the new models are gorgeous. The old one however... is dated and not worth the price asked.V12 AMG said:
The only thing that makes some of the newer AMG cars is when they changed to he 7 speed box. This speed difference isn't shown in the real world because the bi turbo V12s will pull from any rpm effortlessly with the old 5 speeder.
I'm talking from real world experience not just hear say.
Well that's nice to know. I've never driven a V12, but I own an E63 AMG, so do have some experience of my own.I'm talking from real world experience not just hear say.
V12 AMG said:
I'll agree on the potential big bills...that's a given. ABC, turbos, coil packs, brakes etc etc. All ££££s...
I'll assume you're agreeing on the other factors I've highlighted, as you've not mentioned them.V12 AMG said:
Nope, you could be referring to anything newer.
I'll help you: Generally when someone says 'the newer equivalents' they mean the latest model. Quite straightforward really.And yes, numerous websites have the 63 as faster than the 65 to both 60 and 100. They have the 65 quicker over that. And no, go and look them up yourself.
86DA said:
Don't think i've seen a CL63 under £25K.
You won't have seen one under £35k. But they're not much above that. The bi-turbo 5.5 is VERY tunable (£400 remap will give c.610 bhp and an extra 80 lbsft torque) and the interior to die for IMO. If you can resist throwing your money away on the older slower 65 I'd wait a bit and try for an early 5.5 63. 
I'm not denying how quick (and fast) the 5.5 bi-turbo is. With a remap it can almost achieve the torque figures of the 65 V12, but we're then talking about a car which starts on the used market at £48,000 before a remap. More than 3 times the price. Let's also remember that MB have stated that the 65 stuck with the 5 speed for many many years because the 7G box couldn't handle the torque. So always consider whether remapping the 5.5 is safe to do so. MB say no...
The 6.2 NA motored early cars start from around £25,000 and they are no where near the autobahn storming performance of the V12.
The torque figure here is key. BHP means almost nothing and neither does 0-62 times as the little A45 can beat them all to 62 with little tweaking.
When you kick down at 50 or 60mph in a V12 bi-turbo the torque is unbelievable and this is when this motor really shines.
Price ---- |BHP|lbs/ft|0-62|Car
>£25,000 |517 |465 |4.6 |CL63 W216 6.2
>£48,000 |536 |590 |4.4 |CL63 W216 5.5 (non PP)
>£15,000 |612 |738 |4.4 |CL65 W215
The peak torque figures only tell part of the story.
The 65 has all 738 lbs/ft from 2000rpm.
The 6.2 makes do with 465 lbs/ft all the way up at 5200rpm.
The 5.5 does have it's full 590 lbs/ft from 2000rpm as well.
You can't argue against forced induction for that low end shove.
Also don't forget that the 65 comes with a few more standard options over the 63 cars aside from the engine of course.
The 6.2 NA motored early cars start from around £25,000 and they are no where near the autobahn storming performance of the V12.
The torque figure here is key. BHP means almost nothing and neither does 0-62 times as the little A45 can beat them all to 62 with little tweaking.
When you kick down at 50 or 60mph in a V12 bi-turbo the torque is unbelievable and this is when this motor really shines.
Price ---- |BHP|lbs/ft|0-62|Car
>£25,000 |517 |465 |4.6 |CL63 W216 6.2
>£48,000 |536 |590 |4.4 |CL63 W216 5.5 (non PP)
>£15,000 |612 |738 |4.4 |CL65 W215
The peak torque figures only tell part of the story.
The 65 has all 738 lbs/ft from 2000rpm.
The 6.2 makes do with 465 lbs/ft all the way up at 5200rpm.
The 5.5 does have it's full 590 lbs/ft from 2000rpm as well.
You can't argue against forced induction for that low end shove.
Also don't forget that the 65 comes with a few more standard options over the 63 cars aside from the engine of course.
Edited by V12 AMG on Friday 1st May 09:45
Edited by V12 AMG on Friday 1st May 09:58
V12 AMG said:
The peak torque figures only tell part of the story.
The 65 has all 738 lbs/ft from 2000rpm.
The 6.2 makes do with 465 lbs/ft all the way up at 5200rpm.
The 5.5 does have it's full 590 lbs/ft from 2000rpm as well.
You can't argue against forced induction for that low end shove.
Also don't forget that the 65 comes with a few more standard options over the 63 cars aside from the engine of course.
Also with a quick remap the 5.5 will have virtually the same torque as the 65. The 65 may have an icebox but that's not really a deal breaker for most I'd guess.The 65 has all 738 lbs/ft from 2000rpm.
The 6.2 makes do with 465 lbs/ft all the way up at 5200rpm.
The 5.5 does have it's full 590 lbs/ft from 2000rpm as well.
You can't argue against forced induction for that low end shove.
Also don't forget that the 65 comes with a few more standard options over the 63 cars aside from the engine of course.
Very nice 67,000 miles 08 CL65 bi-turbo on Autotrader for £39,995 at the moment. If you don't mind four doors there's a lowish mileage 2011 CLS55 bi-turbo on Autotrader for £35,000. Both are bargains IMO.
V12 AMG said:
Just know the many stories of the dealer in question and I have first hand experience of 3 x w215 CLs and 9 x w220s we've run in the family. Including bi turbo V12s and 55Kompressors.
Also decades of Mercedes specific motor trade experience...
Look at the panel gaps around the front end to start with! I wouldn't accept front end panel alignment like that on a £5000 used car, let alone a £15000 one.
Not doubting your experience; just looks a bit edgy when someone in the trade makes a comment like yours without seeing the car in question.Also decades of Mercedes specific motor trade experience...
Look at the panel gaps around the front end to start with! I wouldn't accept front end panel alignment like that on a £5000 used car, let alone a £15000 one.
Edited by V12 AMG on Thursday 30th April 18:09
You are obviously correct, though, about the V12 and relative merits as against the V8s. The V8s are also a bit shouty in the exhaust department I think, next to the V12's relatively discrete and authoritative performance...but perhaps that's because I know the children need to be able to hear Sarah and Duck in the back when I am enjoying myself in the front.
Edited by BobTurner on Friday 1st May 20:12
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