ML Facelift 09 Buying Advice?
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Morning
In the market for an ML and although only subtle differences I am specifically looking at the the 08/09> facelift models. Considered other options including X5, Range Rover, Touareg but think the ML ticks the most boxes for us.
Can't seem to find any major horror stories about these, but looking for any advice you can impart?? Do they handle mileage well, I won't be adding huge amounts to it so taking that into account I am looking at slightly higher mileage examples in order to save a bit of cash on the purchase outlay and then spend some of that having a thorough service etc.
One thing that confuses me slightly is the engine choice - 280, 300, 320 which all seem very similar are there any stand out advantages over choosing one over the other??
The Blue Efficiency seems to be standard on all the facelifts which I understand is a urea additive - is this something that requires topping up and does it mean there is no DPF??
Any help, advice or ownership experience would be most welcome.
Thanks
SI
In the market for an ML and although only subtle differences I am specifically looking at the the 08/09> facelift models. Considered other options including X5, Range Rover, Touareg but think the ML ticks the most boxes for us.
Can't seem to find any major horror stories about these, but looking for any advice you can impart?? Do they handle mileage well, I won't be adding huge amounts to it so taking that into account I am looking at slightly higher mileage examples in order to save a bit of cash on the purchase outlay and then spend some of that having a thorough service etc.
One thing that confuses me slightly is the engine choice - 280, 300, 320 which all seem very similar are there any stand out advantages over choosing one over the other??
The Blue Efficiency seems to be standard on all the facelifts which I understand is a urea additive - is this something that requires topping up and does it mean there is no DPF??
Any help, advice or ownership experience would be most welcome.
Thanks
SI
I have had a couple of W163s and a W164.
The earlier car ages better imho, it was really softly set up and this has helped things. The later car 2005-2011 is much firmer, bigger wheels and puts more strain on the suspension parts.
The 2005-2010 cars were ML280 and ML320, both 3.0cdi engines in different states of tune. Then the facelift cars (from MY10 build so on 59 plates) became ML300 and ML350, newer 3.0 engines with different states of tune.
We had one of the first ML350cdi's which had 231hp, the later ones I think had 265hp.
The interior plastics tend to let the ML down on that model, the earlier W164 had soft touch platics every where and leather, the later model has lots of scratchy plastic and only the run out models had leather on the dash etc. and ambient interior lighting.
The Comand is OKish on the MY10 cars (you can tell as it has an SD crd lot on it, and pretty crappy on the earlier cars.
Plus the later one has bluetooth built in.
Not many are specced with the media interface and even fewer with DAB.
The alcantara interior I do like, however, the side bolsters in leather are actually MBtex and are known to split fairly easily so look at them for wear, especially on the base bolster.
The speed sensors can go on them causing lots of ABS lights and warning, and the brakes an grab when this happens. Poor design that catches crud from the road and eats away at them.
£250 to sort including fitting from an indi garage.
The 7g gearbox can be troublesome, but if buying older any issues would have probably happened or been sorted by now anyway.
Overall though I do like them, but think they suit 18" wheels best, the sport we had on 20's was far too crashy. We bought some 19" wheels and put better tyres on it, much nicer.
I think if buying again I would try and find an SE with no Nav and save a grand or two and then fit the Alpine Perpect Fit ML head unit, nav, dab, ipod, bluetooth etc.
Totally plug and play and brings the cabin up to date.
Apart from the above pretty bullet proof.
The earlier car ages better imho, it was really softly set up and this has helped things. The later car 2005-2011 is much firmer, bigger wheels and puts more strain on the suspension parts.
The 2005-2010 cars were ML280 and ML320, both 3.0cdi engines in different states of tune. Then the facelift cars (from MY10 build so on 59 plates) became ML300 and ML350, newer 3.0 engines with different states of tune.
We had one of the first ML350cdi's which had 231hp, the later ones I think had 265hp.
The interior plastics tend to let the ML down on that model, the earlier W164 had soft touch platics every where and leather, the later model has lots of scratchy plastic and only the run out models had leather on the dash etc. and ambient interior lighting.
The Comand is OKish on the MY10 cars (you can tell as it has an SD crd lot on it, and pretty crappy on the earlier cars.
Plus the later one has bluetooth built in.
Not many are specced with the media interface and even fewer with DAB.
The alcantara interior I do like, however, the side bolsters in leather are actually MBtex and are known to split fairly easily so look at them for wear, especially on the base bolster.
The speed sensors can go on them causing lots of ABS lights and warning, and the brakes an grab when this happens. Poor design that catches crud from the road and eats away at them.
£250 to sort including fitting from an indi garage.
The 7g gearbox can be troublesome, but if buying older any issues would have probably happened or been sorted by now anyway.
Overall though I do like them, but think they suit 18" wheels best, the sport we had on 20's was far too crashy. We bought some 19" wheels and put better tyres on it, much nicer.
I think if buying again I would try and find an SE with no Nav and save a grand or two and then fit the Alpine Perpect Fit ML head unit, nav, dab, ipod, bluetooth etc.
Totally plug and play and brings the cabin up to date.
Apart from the above pretty bullet proof.
Wow that's a great reply thank you, compared to a similar aged Range Rover Sport that list is positively minute!!!
I love that headunit - one of the cars I have seen has very basic head unit so that could be the ideal solution, and it's plug and play you say??
It would be an '09 on car as I prefer some aspects of the facelift particularly the wheels which I note you say were quite crashy, do you think this was wheels or suspension? One of the examples I have seen has the airmatic which I imagine is plush bud possibly problematic as it gets older??
Really useful post thanks.
Si
I love that headunit - one of the cars I have seen has very basic head unit so that could be the ideal solution, and it's plug and play you say??
It would be an '09 on car as I prefer some aspects of the facelift particularly the wheels which I note you say were quite crashy, do you think this was wheels or suspension? One of the examples I have seen has the airmatic which I imagine is plush bud possibly problematic as it gets older??
Really useful post thanks.
Si
We went from the 20" sport alloys to the earlier 19" ones.
The 20s were something like 275.35.20 rear and 245.40.20 or something like that, and the 19s went to 235.50.19 front and rear and it transformed the ride.
It was still as planed but just floated over nasties on the road.
Depends what your budget is though, how much are they fetching?
I sold that one for £12k I think it was, that was back in March. Had 79k miles on it.
I think for £12k I would rather have a 2008 FF Range Rover out of any of the 4x4s out there.
The 20s were something like 275.35.20 rear and 245.40.20 or something like that, and the 19s went to 235.50.19 front and rear and it transformed the ride.
It was still as planed but just floated over nasties on the road.
Depends what your budget is though, how much are they fetching?
I sold that one for £12k I think it was, that was back in March. Had 79k miles on it.
I think for £12k I would rather have a 2008 FF Range Rover out of any of the 4x4s out there.
Looks a lovely example you had there! The different profile tyres obviously made a huge difference might try not and see how they compare perhaps.
The ones I have seen are around £11-£12k with 85-100k on the clock.
Funny you should mention the FFRR as I was looking at those too but people say TD6 is underpowered and TDV8 too much of a gamble in my budget sadly.
Considered a nice VW Touareg so going to take a look at a 3.0 V6 TDi Altitude model on Mon.
Si
The ones I have seen are around £11-£12k with 85-100k on the clock.
Funny you should mention the FFRR as I was looking at those too but people say TD6 is underpowered and TDV8 too much of a gamble in my budget sadly.
Considered a nice VW Touareg so going to take a look at a 3.0 V6 TDi Altitude model on Mon.
Si
I have just chopped-in my W164 pre-facelift ML320CDI for a newer GL. The ML was pretty superb to be honest. My wife bought it at about 20K miles and 2 years old and I took over ownership at about 60K miles since when I've driven it hard and really enjoyed it.
On a trip abroad, I set the cruise for 120mph and it ate mile after mile of lovely flat Euro motorway. We had the biggest roofbox I could find (Halfords' 2x1 metre) and 3 bikes on a towbar mounted bike carrier. The ML felt unburstable, and we were the source of other people's jealousy on the campsites and other destinations because of its ability to swallow so much holiday gear.
In the time we had it, we've had to replace 3 starter coils, the starter coil management box, and we've had fairly constant issues with the powered tailgate. I suspect that last issue was because powered tailgates were relatively new at the time ours was built (an 08 model) because my 61-reg GL's powered tailgate opens with far more "confidence".
The early COMAND was mildly irritating because of the limitation of 5-digit postcodes but in operation it worked OK. That replacement (above) looks like a brilliant idea.
We decided to try Winter tyres back in 2010 however at the last moment I put a set of General Grabber ATs onto it, and in that snowy Winter they proved themselves so utterly competent that we left them on all year. They weren't any noisier, lasted as long, and were cheaper than the OE tyres. I opted to go up a profile size from 50 to 55 and they filled the wheelarches better and improved the accuracy of the speedo. And the sidewalls were so high, I never worried about kerbed wheels (they were mint when I let the car go).
In fact, despite what the Land Rover community says about soft roaders, I would pit an ML against any other off roader in any "traction" based competition. It's a match for one in all but rock-climbing (not enough ground clearance), and is far better in many other ways.
Overall I feel the 320 engine is strong but I have heard tales of turbos failing disastrously, so when mine started to whine (about 10K miles ago) I started looking for a replacement car. It took me over a year to finally commit to changing the car and the turbo was still working just fine, albeit with an audible whistle.
It towed my mother's 26' twin-axle caravan with absolute ease. In fact, I think Mercs are the only non-LR that can tow 3.5 tonnes. Certainly our X5 couldn't and my brother's Q7 can't.
On a trip abroad, I set the cruise for 120mph and it ate mile after mile of lovely flat Euro motorway. We had the biggest roofbox I could find (Halfords' 2x1 metre) and 3 bikes on a towbar mounted bike carrier. The ML felt unburstable, and we were the source of other people's jealousy on the campsites and other destinations because of its ability to swallow so much holiday gear.
In the time we had it, we've had to replace 3 starter coils, the starter coil management box, and we've had fairly constant issues with the powered tailgate. I suspect that last issue was because powered tailgates were relatively new at the time ours was built (an 08 model) because my 61-reg GL's powered tailgate opens with far more "confidence".
The early COMAND was mildly irritating because of the limitation of 5-digit postcodes but in operation it worked OK. That replacement (above) looks like a brilliant idea.
We decided to try Winter tyres back in 2010 however at the last moment I put a set of General Grabber ATs onto it, and in that snowy Winter they proved themselves so utterly competent that we left them on all year. They weren't any noisier, lasted as long, and were cheaper than the OE tyres. I opted to go up a profile size from 50 to 55 and they filled the wheelarches better and improved the accuracy of the speedo. And the sidewalls were so high, I never worried about kerbed wheels (they were mint when I let the car go).
In fact, despite what the Land Rover community says about soft roaders, I would pit an ML against any other off roader in any "traction" based competition. It's a match for one in all but rock-climbing (not enough ground clearance), and is far better in many other ways.
Overall I feel the 320 engine is strong but I have heard tales of turbos failing disastrously, so when mine started to whine (about 10K miles ago) I started looking for a replacement car. It took me over a year to finally commit to changing the car and the turbo was still working just fine, albeit with an audible whistle.
It towed my mother's 26' twin-axle caravan with absolute ease. In fact, I think Mercs are the only non-LR that can tow 3.5 tonnes. Certainly our X5 couldn't and my brother's Q7 can't.
Thanks for the super informative post, some really encouraging ownership experience there which is good as I should have updated this thread really - I bought one!
Not a facelift as I set out to buy but really pleased all the same. It's a 2008 ML320 Edition 10 which I understand were produced to celebrate 10yrs of the ML. It was a private purchase and an absolute pleasure too, no unexpected surprises, complete honesty from the outset and a really genuine cares for car.
It's got some nice little extras being an Edition 10 but not the powered tailgate which sounds like a good thing reading your experiences!?!
I took it into Avantgarde Mercedes Specialists in Clevedon, North Somerset who were also brilliant. They completed a full health check of the vehicle paying particular attention to some items I asked them to look out. The verdict - a straight genuine car with only a couple of items needing attention. Those included glow plug command unit (seems to be a common failure) perished fuel pipe and air trap seals on turbo. These little things have all been done now and I am so pleased with the car its spacious, quiet, smooth and a real pleasure to travel in.
I suspect in time it will be bolstered by the purchase of an S2000 or similar so all bases are covered, but for now, at this time of year it's spot on!
Here's some pics -
Thanks for the super informative post, some really encouraging ownership experience there which is good as I should have updated this thread really - I bought one!
Not a facelift as I set out to buy but really pleased all the same. It's a 2008 ML320 Edition 10 which I understand were produced to celebrate 10yrs of the ML. It was a private purchase and an absolute pleasure too, no unexpected surprises, complete honesty from the outset and a really genuine cares for car.
It's got some nice little extras being an Edition 10 but not the powered tailgate which sounds like a good thing reading your experiences!?!
I took it into Avantgarde Mercedes Specialists in Clevedon, North Somerset who were also brilliant. They completed a full health check of the vehicle paying particular attention to some items I asked them to look out. The verdict - a straight genuine car with only a couple of items needing attention. Those included glow plug command unit (seems to be a common failure) perished fuel pipe and air trap seals on turbo. These little things have all been done now and I am so pleased with the car its spacious, quiet, smooth and a real pleasure to travel in.
I suspect in time it will be bolstered by the purchase of an S2000 or similar so all bases are covered, but for now, at this time of year it's spot on!
Here's some pics -
Not a facelift as I set out to buy but really pleased all the same. It's a 2008 ML320 Edition 10 which I understand were produced to celebrate 10yrs of the ML. It was a private purchase and an absolute pleasure too, no unexpected surprises, complete honesty from the outset and a really genuine cares for car.
It's got some nice little extras being an Edition 10 but not the powered tailgate which sounds like a good thing reading your experiences!?!
I took it into Avantgarde Mercedes Specialists in Clevedon, North Somerset who were also brilliant. They completed a full health check of the vehicle paying particular attention to some items I asked them to look out. The verdict - a straight genuine car with only a couple of items needing attention. Those included glow plug command unit (seems to be a common failure) perished fuel pipe and air trap seals on turbo. These little things have all been done now and I am so pleased with the car its spacious, quiet, smooth and a real pleasure to travel in.
I suspect in time it will be bolstered by the purchase of an S2000 or similar so all bases are covered, but for now, at this time of year it's spot on!
Here's some pics -
Thanks for the super informative post, some really encouraging ownership experience there which is good as I should have updated this thread really - I bought one!
Not a facelift as I set out to buy but really pleased all the same. It's a 2008 ML320 Edition 10 which I understand were produced to celebrate 10yrs of the ML. It was a private purchase and an absolute pleasure too, no unexpected surprises, complete honesty from the outset and a really genuine cares for car.
It's got some nice little extras being an Edition 10 but not the powered tailgate which sounds like a good thing reading your experiences!?!
I took it into Avantgarde Mercedes Specialists in Clevedon, North Somerset who were also brilliant. They completed a full health check of the vehicle paying particular attention to some items I asked them to look out. The verdict - a straight genuine car with only a couple of items needing attention. Those included glow plug command unit (seems to be a common failure) perished fuel pipe and air trap seals on turbo. These little things have all been done now and I am so pleased with the car its spacious, quiet, smooth and a real pleasure to travel in.
I suspect in time it will be bolstered by the purchase of an S2000 or similar so all bases are covered, but for now, at this time of year it's spot on!
Here's some pics -
I think I would like to see other powered tailgates from the same age as mine before writing them off (for the age). They are very useful if they can be relied upon. My brother has had a couple of Merc estates with powered tailgates, and having had my own on my ML and GL, I prefer to have them. I suspect if I'd found an independent Merc specialist, I might have got someone interested to sort it for me.
I see you have memory seats - that's another feature I couldn't live without now. My wife and I occasionally borrow each other 's cars. Her E-class doesn't have the memory seats and it's a real PITA.
Looks like you have 20" wheels. General Grabber ATs go up to 20" if you're interested. I can't get them for the 21" wheels on my GL and I miss them already.
I see you have memory seats - that's another feature I couldn't live without now. My wife and I occasionally borrow each other 's cars. Her E-class doesn't have the memory seats and it's a real PITA.
Looks like you have 20" wheels. General Grabber ATs go up to 20" if you're interested. I can't get them for the 21" wheels on my GL and I miss them already.
Thank you for the pointers, I didn't realise that Grabbers would go up to 20" in size, how did you find them noisewise? Beginning to wonder about running them permanently like you did if they are acceptable on a daily basis, did you source yours on one of the tyre websites (Black Circles, Tyreshopper etc) or locally?
Memory seats are fantastic like you say but sadly the original owner for some reason didn't spec heated leather?!? Not having the alcantara centres makes a big difference in this weather, been looking into having them retro fitted which seems to be around £400?
Really pleased with it so far, not the little jobs have been sorted it's peace of mind motoring which I don't think I would of got from a similarly priced LR product.
Si
Memory seats are fantastic like you say but sadly the original owner for some reason didn't spec heated leather?!? Not having the alcantara centres makes a big difference in this weather, been looking into having them retro fitted which seems to be around £400?
Really pleased with it so far, not the little jobs have been sorted it's peace of mind motoring which I don't think I would of got from a similarly priced LR product.
Si
The Grabbers were indistinguishable from any other tyre to be honest. The main source of noise is the engine at low speeds and wind at higher speeds.
My main reason for wanting them is to prove wrong all those uneducated critics of soft roaders. In the snow, my ML was as good as absolutely any other 4WD car, and in some respects better than a Defender or a UK-market pick-up because of its power.
It was the same when towing that caravan out of a muddy Welsh field, or when it climbed up a wet grassy hill that none of the other cars I travelled with could manage. It just dug-in and went.
Before I had my ML I had a Subaru Legacy which I ran permanently on Nokian winter tyres. During the snow in 2010 I took my young son and a towrope out for the day to have some fun towing people who were stuck. Amongst all the typically stuck RWD German saloons were a number of Range Rover Sports (left overnight at David Lloyd's gym while the owners presumably caught a cab to go drinking in Solihull). We pulled them all back to the relatively clear roads but the learning point for me was "tyres". They all had virtually no side sipes at all.
My wife had a C-class on winter tyres and now has an E350 on winters. She's Polish though so understands these things.
I'm not a fan of heated seats but mine did have the alcantera and half (fake) leather which didn't get too cold. My new(er) GL has all (fake) leather which is definitely colder when you sit in them in these recent mornings but I still don't like a sweaty butt... However my kids love them and are regretful that I missed out on a GL with heated rear seats.
My main reason for wanting them is to prove wrong all those uneducated critics of soft roaders. In the snow, my ML was as good as absolutely any other 4WD car, and in some respects better than a Defender or a UK-market pick-up because of its power.
It was the same when towing that caravan out of a muddy Welsh field, or when it climbed up a wet grassy hill that none of the other cars I travelled with could manage. It just dug-in and went.
Before I had my ML I had a Subaru Legacy which I ran permanently on Nokian winter tyres. During the snow in 2010 I took my young son and a towrope out for the day to have some fun towing people who were stuck. Amongst all the typically stuck RWD German saloons were a number of Range Rover Sports (left overnight at David Lloyd's gym while the owners presumably caught a cab to go drinking in Solihull). We pulled them all back to the relatively clear roads but the learning point for me was "tyres". They all had virtually no side sipes at all.
My wife had a C-class on winter tyres and now has an E350 on winters. She's Polish though so understands these things.
I'm not a fan of heated seats but mine did have the alcantera and half (fake) leather which didn't get too cold. My new(er) GL has all (fake) leather which is definitely colder when you sit in them in these recent mornings but I still don't like a sweaty butt... However my kids love them and are regretful that I missed out on a GL with heated rear seats.
Sorry... Found the Grabbers on line. Different place each year but Oponeo or MyTyres or Catskill seem consistent. Don't worry about getting exactly the same dimensions. Mine should have had 255 50 19 but I put 255 55 19 on it. You can go slightly wider and you could go up one or two profile sizes without worry. The only thing to ensure is the same is the wheel size.
If you can't find the Grabber in 20 (I saw them online once but now I can't find them again to backup my assertion above), have a look at the Cooper Zeon LTZ which are available in:
275 45 20
285 50 20
305 50 20
275 55 20
275 60 20
If anyone ever makes a 21 inch AT, I'd buy them in a heartbeat (295s with a 50 profile please lord-of-tyres).
275 45 20
285 50 20
305 50 20
275 55 20
275 60 20
If anyone ever makes a 21 inch AT, I'd buy them in a heartbeat (295s with a 50 profile please lord-of-tyres).
Edited by Watchman on Friday 2nd December 11:23
Thanks watchman thats really helpful, although having looked my tyres are 265/45/20 and the Coopers only list 275/45/20 which I am guessing won't work??
Shame as they are great value and look perfect for the rural lanes around my parts! Might have to continue my quest to find something similar as I think running them all year round with my limited mileage will make the ML unstoppable which is what we need really.
Thought about getting a second set of wheels and fitting winter tyres but to be honest I would rather not have to store a set of wheels and faff around swapping them over, if I could run something like the Cooper or the Grabber permanently thats the ideal solution, also had a look at Nokian which you mentioned but not available in my size - who said bigger was better!
Si
Shame as they are great value and look perfect for the rural lanes around my parts! Might have to continue my quest to find something similar as I think running them all year round with my limited mileage will make the ML unstoppable which is what we need really.
Thought about getting a second set of wheels and fitting winter tyres but to be honest I would rather not have to store a set of wheels and faff around swapping them over, if I could run something like the Cooper or the Grabber permanently thats the ideal solution, also had a look at Nokian which you mentioned but not available in my size - who said bigger was better!
Si
They are only 10mm wider so you wouldn't notice the difference. Just check around the inside of the tyre as it stands now for clearance against the car. As long as you have more than a finger's width of space, they'll be fine.
I'd put the 55 profile ones on if it were mine but I like high sidewalls. Not everyone does.
I'd put the 55 profile ones on if it were mine but I like high sidewalls. Not everyone does.
Ah ok, so not or of the question then - that's encouraging! Will have a look, I think from memory there is a load of room in behind there but will double check. Can't believe the price of the Cooper Zeon LTZ! In relation to a higher sidewall profile, I am guessing this benefits in terms of protection against kerbs etc?
Si
Si
The higher profile will increase the effective diameter of the wheel which will give you a lower speed reading from your speedo than you would get for the same speed with the current tyres.
On mine, going up to 55 profile from the OE 50s, this made the speedo pretty much spot on as it over read beforehand. I tested it before and after with a GPS speedo at constant motorway speeds.
The 55s were just high enough that I didn't need to worry about kerbs and in fact it improved the ride significantly. The wheels looked brand new when I handed over for PX last weekend, despite the 115K miles on the clock.
On mine, going up to 55 profile from the OE 50s, this made the speedo pretty much spot on as it over read beforehand. I tested it before and after with a GPS speedo at constant motorway speeds.
The 55s were just high enough that I didn't need to worry about kerbs and in fact it improved the ride significantly. The wheels looked brand new when I handed over for PX last weekend, despite the 115K miles on the clock.
The higher profile will increase the effectiveness diameter of the wheel which will give you a lower speed reading from your speedo than you would get for the same speed with the current tyres.
On mine, in going up to 55 profile from the OE 50s, this made the speedo pretty much spot on as it over read beforehand. I tested it before and after with a GPS speedo at constant motorway speeds.
The 55s were just high enough that I didn't need to worry about kerbs and in fact it improved the ride significantly. The wheels looked brand new when I handed over for PX last weekend, despite the 115K miles on the clock.
On mine, in going up to 55 profile from the OE 50s, this made the speedo pretty much spot on as it over read beforehand. I tested it before and after with a GPS speedo at constant motorway speeds.
The 55s were just high enough that I didn't need to worry about kerbs and in fact it improved the ride significantly. The wheels looked brand new when I handed over for PX last weekend, despite the 115K miles on the clock.
Edited by Watchman on Friday 2nd December 14:01
Well after all this talk of tyres on Friday I set off for work as normal at 4pm a short 15min drive from home. Halfway there the tyre pressure monitoring light came on - weird I thought? Put my window down and heard that suspicious 'tick tick tick' sound and when I got to work found a massive chunk of metal stuck in the rear offside tyre!!!!
Don't know what it was or where it came from but it ruined my Pirelli P Zero Rosso! Being that I would have had to change both rear tyres to avoid wear differences and damaging the diff the replacement cost for two of these was near on £500!!!!
Got on the net scoured eBay etc. and found myself a brand new set of 4 still wrapped Cooper Zeon LTZ 275/45/20 tyres - snapped up for £275 + £25 p&p. so hopefully by Weds it should be sporting a set of 4 brand new tyres just in time for winter!!! Want to find myself some tricky wet field or similar to give them a good test!!!
Si
Don't know what it was or where it came from but it ruined my Pirelli P Zero Rosso! Being that I would have had to change both rear tyres to avoid wear differences and damaging the diff the replacement cost for two of these was near on £500!!!!
Got on the net scoured eBay etc. and found myself a brand new set of 4 still wrapped Cooper Zeon LTZ 275/45/20 tyres - snapped up for £275 + £25 p&p. so hopefully by Weds it should be sporting a set of 4 brand new tyres just in time for winter!!! Want to find myself some tricky wet field or similar to give them a good test!!!
Si
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