Sublime Pandamonium II
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Liquid Knight said:
Adjusting the valve timing to compensate for the gap between the pistons and the valves? I'm hoping to use a Punto 75 cam' so it will need setting up anyway. The 1242 Punto Sporting Block runs lower compression so it that engine's any good I can put the eight valve head on without any need of a decompression plate.
Yes, if you add a decompression plate (or skim a significant amount of a head) the change in distance between the crank and cam pulley means the valve timing will change, unless you just happen to have moved thing by exactly one tooth.
So I got to look at the Red Panda in daylight for the first time today.
All in all not bad for a car that's been stored for six years. A mouse had done a number to the back seat and another one had died in the cold air intake pipe. The car runs perfectly with the front off the airbox so if anyone wants a 769 Fire engine for their 126, 500, 600, 850, let me know. Some usual rust spots and the typical old car old bodged repairs. Worst of these is the top lip of the rear valence, the filler hadn't been mixed properly so it was still wet and there was a page of the daily mail from September 2002 stuffed in the gap.
The drivers door step had a condensation trap rust spot (became a hole when I poked it a bit)...
...that goes all the way through to the sill.
The bottom of the drivers door has gone...
...and the passenger door has been bodged with some pop riveted Aluminium so it's continued to rust underneath...
..dented a bit as well just so I can do some beating as well as welding.
The passenger side "A" panel has been filled and painted with wither household gloss or Hammerite...
...so I have some fabrication to do and I can use one of the covers from inside the car.
The drivers side jacking point has been bent...
...that's a ten minute job. The filler cap hole has rusted...
...I was going to drop the tank, fill the hole and use a fuel cell in the back anyway. I've striped the back out to fine one of the cleanest rust free floors in a Panda ever...
...a tiny bit of surface rust around the edge but I can seem weld over that anyway.
So a couple of days welding, a service and some consumables and she'd be fit for M.O.T
With the brake servo in the way of where I was planning to put the supercharger I had a look at the possibility of fitting the remote servo from the Cinquecento to the Panda...
Looks straight forward enough. My only concern being the placement of the Cinquecento servo in relation to the Panda steering rack. I could use the original Panda servo in the hole that's in the bulkhead for left hand drive models, with an adapted pedal box and remote linkage. As a rule I tend not to do too much to brakes, uprated discs and pads or parts bin conversion at the hub end is fine but if I make a mistake with the fluid delivery side of things it could be fatal. While I had my tape measure out (I do own one believe it or not) I put the supercharger on top of the air box. Hmmmmm....
...that could work...
...with a drive belt coming off a modified cam' pulley I'd only need to seal the front of the box, make some holes in the top for the mounting bolts and outlet and a six inch bonnet bulge.
How hard could it be?
All in all not bad for a car that's been stored for six years. A mouse had done a number to the back seat and another one had died in the cold air intake pipe. The car runs perfectly with the front off the airbox so if anyone wants a 769 Fire engine for their 126, 500, 600, 850, let me know. Some usual rust spots and the typical old car old bodged repairs. Worst of these is the top lip of the rear valence, the filler hadn't been mixed properly so it was still wet and there was a page of the daily mail from September 2002 stuffed in the gap.
The drivers door step had a condensation trap rust spot (became a hole when I poked it a bit)...
...that goes all the way through to the sill.
The bottom of the drivers door has gone...
...and the passenger door has been bodged with some pop riveted Aluminium so it's continued to rust underneath...
..dented a bit as well just so I can do some beating as well as welding.
The passenger side "A" panel has been filled and painted with wither household gloss or Hammerite...
...so I have some fabrication to do and I can use one of the covers from inside the car.
The drivers side jacking point has been bent...
...that's a ten minute job. The filler cap hole has rusted...
...I was going to drop the tank, fill the hole and use a fuel cell in the back anyway. I've striped the back out to fine one of the cleanest rust free floors in a Panda ever...
...a tiny bit of surface rust around the edge but I can seem weld over that anyway.
So a couple of days welding, a service and some consumables and she'd be fit for M.O.T
With the brake servo in the way of where I was planning to put the supercharger I had a look at the possibility of fitting the remote servo from the Cinquecento to the Panda...
Looks straight forward enough. My only concern being the placement of the Cinquecento servo in relation to the Panda steering rack. I could use the original Panda servo in the hole that's in the bulkhead for left hand drive models, with an adapted pedal box and remote linkage. As a rule I tend not to do too much to brakes, uprated discs and pads or parts bin conversion at the hub end is fine but if I make a mistake with the fluid delivery side of things it could be fatal. While I had my tape measure out (I do own one believe it or not) I put the supercharger on top of the air box. Hmmmmm....
...that could work...
...with a drive belt coming off a modified cam' pulley I'd only need to seal the front of the box, make some holes in the top for the mounting bolts and outlet and a six inch bonnet bulge.
How hard could it be?
So before I start cutting and welding rust; I thought I'd treat myself to a little clean work first.
Healthy and safe. Three millimeter in accordance to NHRA and MSA regulations, thick enough vee butt weld and frapped tidy. I'll make up a set of base plates when I get time and bolt it through the floor. Diagonals will have to wait until either the payday fairies come to visit or I'll get my local forge on the case. If I go for "Guff" colours I'll paint the cage orange.
I've taken the grille off the red Panda, cleaned it and primed it...
...ready to paint green tomorrow and fit to the Fantasia Sunday.
P.S Here's the eBay links for the pipe and elbows.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170804316622?ssPageName=...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230604847553?ssPageName=...
Healthy and safe. Three millimeter in accordance to NHRA and MSA regulations, thick enough vee butt weld and frapped tidy. I'll make up a set of base plates when I get time and bolt it through the floor. Diagonals will have to wait until either the payday fairies come to visit or I'll get my local forge on the case. If I go for "Guff" colours I'll paint the cage orange.
I've taken the grille off the red Panda, cleaned it and primed it...
...ready to paint green tomorrow and fit to the Fantasia Sunday.
P.S Here's the eBay links for the pipe and elbows.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170804316622?ssPageName=...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230604847553?ssPageName=...
Another day and another Fiat FIRE engine in the back of my Panda.
This one was advertised as a 1.4 8V and for £50 I went to have a look. As soon as the cover was off I knew it was the 1242cc 16V from a Bravo/Brava. I bought it anyway because it has a few interesting features.
Inlet manifold, engine loom, alternator, starter motor and AC compressor; there's my £50 back next free listing weekend.
The 16V head can go as well.
Placed the alternator on the engine and tried the compressor and kompressor for size...
...looks almost doable doesn't it?
The pulley from the compressor has an electronic clutch.
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This one was advertised as a 1.4 8V and for £50 I went to have a look. As soon as the cover was off I knew it was the 1242cc 16V from a Bravo/Brava. I bought it anyway because it has a few interesting features.
Inlet manifold, engine loom, alternator, starter motor and AC compressor; there's my £50 back next free listing weekend.
The 16V head can go as well.
Placed the alternator on the engine and tried the compressor and kompressor for size...
...looks almost doable doesn't it?
The pulley from the compressor has an electronic clutch.
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Edited by Liquid Knight on Saturday 24th March 18:06
Edited by Liquid Knight on Saturday 24th March 18:51
kamilb1998 said:
Love all the work you've put into this! By the way, it's a free listing weekend, this weekend
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Today I have been taking bits from two different engines and fitting them to the wrong one.
Panda 750 distributor fitted on the 1108 Sporting test engine.
Swapped the alternator bracket and bits over.
Needed the 1242 crank wheel to line up the drive belt for the...
...supercharger.
A bit close but I have an idea.
More later.
So my nicely tidied rear is now an eBay firesale shed.
So I worked up front today and cleared the bulkhead on the red Panda instead.
Got the heater matrix out without any incident.
I'll keep it as a spare in case the one on the Fantasia Panda fails. I've found some interesting stuff when stripping out cars but today has got to be one of the best.
A family of half a dozen North American Flatworms. Just like the Grey Squirrel these little blighters are taking over and killing our more common indigenous population to the verge of extinction. So I did the most humane thing possible. Left them on the roof of my shed for the birds while I had lunch. As the circle of life continued I got back to work.
Hmmm, interesting shelf there I'm sure I can put it to good use later.
The only rust spot was where the battery clamp used to live...
...I'll fill that when I fill these now they are surplus to requirements.
Reassembled the dash...
...who needs a Stack?
So I worked up front today and cleared the bulkhead on the red Panda instead.
Got the heater matrix out without any incident.
I'll keep it as a spare in case the one on the Fantasia Panda fails. I've found some interesting stuff when stripping out cars but today has got to be one of the best.
A family of half a dozen North American Flatworms. Just like the Grey Squirrel these little blighters are taking over and killing our more common indigenous population to the verge of extinction. So I did the most humane thing possible. Left them on the roof of my shed for the birds while I had lunch. As the circle of life continued I got back to work.
Hmmm, interesting shelf there I'm sure I can put it to good use later.
The only rust spot was where the battery clamp used to live...
...I'll fill that when I fill these now they are surplus to requirements.
Reassembled the dash...
...who needs a Stack?
Today's wildlife update was a little disappointing. Just a couple of spiders but the interiors stripped out.
Where the drivers side sill has gone and the passenger side's been patched it goes all the way up. Yipee more welding.
Seat belt anchors. Just as well they're obsolete now.
Just need to drill out the spot welds holding the seat runners in place and transfer the Kirkey-esque seat from Guff 1.
Where the drivers side sill has gone and the passenger side's been patched it goes all the way up. Yipee more welding.
Seat belt anchors. Just as well they're obsolete now.
Just need to drill out the spot welds holding the seat runners in place and transfer the Kirkey-esque seat from Guff 1.
Fiat X-1/9 1.5 carb' arrived yesterday.
The plan was to run the 1369 block with the 1108 head and Punto 75 cam'. With forced induction the carb' from a 1.5 would roughly be jetted right for the air/fuel ratio and easily adjusted if not. The second choke would hopefully be timed to open on boost. In theory. A simple mounting plate on a ninety degree pipe shaped to fit the end of the supercharger would have supplied the draw through set up.
Now I have the wrong block I'm pretty much back to where I started. Unless I can adjust the X-1/9 to suit the smaller block effectively.
The plan was to run the 1369 block with the 1108 head and Punto 75 cam'. With forced induction the carb' from a 1.5 would roughly be jetted right for the air/fuel ratio and easily adjusted if not. The second choke would hopefully be timed to open on boost. In theory. A simple mounting plate on a ninety degree pipe shaped to fit the end of the supercharger would have supplied the draw through set up.
Now I have the wrong block I'm pretty much back to where I started. Unless I can adjust the X-1/9 to suit the smaller block effectively.
I re-introduced myself to an old friend today.
I like my "A" frame and hoist compared to hydraulic lifts. They're more controllable, easier to store and the frame is one of the first things I welded together. All in it cost me less than it would be to hire a lift for a day and it's lasted over fifteen years.
So anyway that's the 769cc engine out and I made a bit of a boob earlier. There isn't enough room between the drivers side of the engine and inner wing to mount the supercharger on the 1242 bracket. Just as well the Panda mount fits the 1108 engine...
...I'll get the tape measure out tomorrow to double check (again).
I like my "A" frame and hoist compared to hydraulic lifts. They're more controllable, easier to store and the frame is one of the first things I welded together. All in it cost me less than it would be to hire a lift for a day and it's lasted over fifteen years.
So anyway that's the 769cc engine out and I made a bit of a boob earlier. There isn't enough room between the drivers side of the engine and inner wing to mount the supercharger on the 1242 bracket. Just as well the Panda mount fits the 1108 engine...
...I'll get the tape measure out tomorrow to double check (again).
Highs and Lows this weekend. Missed out on the run what you brung day at Santa Pod due to a weird bug that's like an Influenza yo-yo. My eBay fire sale netted me a total of £6.80 three items selling for 99p and a pair of BMW 750 brake discs I paid £80 for went for £4.50; but I've had a really good days welding today.
I stitch welded a 10mm ninety degree lip to the top of the rear valance so I'd have something clean and solid to key the new slam panel to. I made it in three sections, started with the middle to stop the two side moving...
...I then turned my attention to a couple of fiddly bits half way up the tailgate opening and the battery tray. The little hole that resented itself before turned out to be a lot worse. I ended up replacing half of the panel with new metal.
Bloody glad I ripped the dash cloth out.
More good news; the 750 engine has a bid so that will be enough to but the pipe, plate and bolts to finish the cage.
I stitch welded a 10mm ninety degree lip to the top of the rear valance so I'd have something clean and solid to key the new slam panel to. I made it in three sections, started with the middle to stop the two side moving...
...I then turned my attention to a couple of fiddly bits half way up the tailgate opening and the battery tray. The little hole that resented itself before turned out to be a lot worse. I ended up replacing half of the panel with new metal.
Bloody glad I ripped the dash cloth out.
More good news; the 750 engine has a bid so that will be enough to but the pipe, plate and bolts to finish the cage.
Annoyingly the chap who won the 750 engine is paying cash on collection Thursday evening so the roll cage material will have to wait until the payday fairies visit. So due to the lack of clean welding I've had to get back to doing the dirty stuff.
With the inner step panel I've cut the away as much rust as possible and made plates approximately a centimeter bigger all round so I can lap weld the new metal to the clean-ish metal underneath. This concentrates the weld temperature to the subject metal instead of the parent metal combine this with a shallower contact angle and it reduces the amount of blow through.
Not the prettiest I know but the £999 Challenge isn't a concourse event.
Made the rear pillar and tailgate slam panel a little more aesthetic.
I'll do the undersides of the lapped patches when I take the sills off. I'll probably have to make the sills as nowhere appears to sell them. Cheap primer until I decide what colour the car will be.
With the inner step panel I've cut the away as much rust as possible and made plates approximately a centimeter bigger all round so I can lap weld the new metal to the clean-ish metal underneath. This concentrates the weld temperature to the subject metal instead of the parent metal combine this with a shallower contact angle and it reduces the amount of blow through.
Not the prettiest I know but the £999 Challenge isn't a concourse event.
Made the rear pillar and tailgate slam panel a little more aesthetic.
I'll do the undersides of the lapped patches when I take the sills off. I'll probably have to make the sills as nowhere appears to sell them. Cheap primer until I decide what colour the car will be.
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