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Fantuzzi
Original Poster
1,430 posts
15 months
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I was thinking a couple of days ago how the twin air 500 from various owners and mag reviews was doing rather worse mpg wise than the sporty Abarth 500. Now of course the lack of road tax will be a insentive for some, but Ive done the man math. Over 10000 miles, (so lets say thats yearly for a Daily Driver) All mpgs are taken from forums such as this and long term tests on the cars, but feel free to say Im off the mark. Twin air - 35 mpgs,£6 per gallon - £1714 Abarth - 40 mpgs, £6 per gallon - £1500 Even with the £170 road tax, its still cheaper AT £1670. Even you bought new the twin air is almost 13k at 12,760, the abarth is not much more (couple hundred with delivery miles) in fact Autotrader will even find you one for the list price of a twin air! Now unless your in london, why oh why oh why... 
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Squadrone Rosso
233 posts
16 months
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You've omitted insurance.......
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Robertf
158 posts
80 months
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...twinairs can be had on good finance deals though - 3 years interest and a moderate deposit and a friend is paying about £110 a month, albeit with a fairly large final payment. Similar arrangement on an Abarth would be £200 or more. If you don't have all the money to hand, monthly affordability is how a lot of people make their decisions on what to buy.
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mrmr96
11,958 posts
73 months
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Don't think you'll _really_ get those mpg's as you'll be driving more enthusiastically.
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Fantuzzi
Original Poster
1,430 posts
15 months
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Good points, insurance, no idea the difference, cant imagine a 1,4t will break the bank for any one over 21, so didnt really see that as a factor that would put off some one PHy.
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Squadrone Rosso
233 posts
16 months
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Fantuzzi said: Good points, insurance, no idea the difference, cant imagine a 1,4t will break the bank for any one over 21, so didnt really see that as a factor that would put off some one PHy. If you already run two V6 Alfa's & a classic Spider, the TA appeals big time 
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irish boy
946 posts
105 months
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I agree op....we went shopping for a twin air 2 weeks ago for the wife after reading good reviews. Ended up with a pre reg abarth, Made sense
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omniflow
216 posts
20 months
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Squadrone Rosso said: If you already run two V6 Alfa's & a classic Spider, the TA appeals big time I'm sure this is debatable, but I don't consider the S4 to be a classic Spider. S1 & S2 definitely. S3 onwards - no way.
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Alfahorn
4,444 posts
77 months
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omniflow said: Squadrone Rosso said: If you already run two V6 Alfa's & a classic Spider, the TA appeals big time I'm sure this is debatable, but I don't consider the S4 to be a classic Spider. S1 & S2 definitely. S3 onwards - no way. I would say you're in a minority.
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Fantuzzi
Original Poster
1,430 posts
15 months
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irish boy said: I agree op....we went shopping for a twin air 2 weeks ago for the wife after reading good reviews. Ended up with a pre reg abarth, Made sense See I knew there were some smart people on this forum 
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crostonian
1,190 posts
41 months
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Alfahorn said: omniflow said: Squadrone Rosso said: If you already run two V6 Alfa's & a classic Spider, the TA appeals big time I'm sure this is debatable, but I don't consider the S4 to be a classic Spider. S1 & S2 definitely. S3 onwards - no way. I would say you're in a minority. Omniflow, who cares what you think, the Spider S4 is a classic, it was the oldest car in production when it was new so if anything gives it classic status that does!
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Abarthgp
14 posts
11 months
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Wife has had a couple of abarth 500's ,31 mpg has been her average,my punto abarth is very slightly less.
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Squadrone Rosso
233 posts
16 months
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Abarthgp said: Wife has had a couple of abarth 500's ,31 mpg has been her average,my punto abarth is very slightly less. We've averaged 46mpg in our 500 TA+ since new, so 4 weeks & 1800 miles. Love it. Cracking little car
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omniflow
216 posts
20 months
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crostonian said: Omniflow, who cares what you think, the Spider S4 is a classic, it was the oldest car in production when it was new so if anything gives it classic status that does! Sorry, I don't understand this statement. The oldest car when it was new - don't get that at all. Maybe you're saying that the S4 Spider is the same as the Duetto, and that's where the "oldest" bit comes from. So that must mean that a Mk4 Escort is as old as a Mk1 Escort. Or am I missing something? Please explain.
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Alfahorn
4,444 posts
77 months
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omniflow said: crostonian said: Omniflow, who cares what you think, the Spider S4 is a classic, it was the oldest car in production when it was new so if anything gives it classic status that does! Sorry, I don't understand this statement. The oldest car when it was new - don't get that at all. Maybe you're saying that the S4 Spider is the same as the Duetto, and that's where the "oldest" bit comes from. So that must mean that a Mk4 Escort is as old as a Mk1 Escort. Or am I missing something? Please explain. I'm not surprised you struggled to understand Crostonians comments when you fail to recognise the classic status of the 105/115 series Alfa Romeo Spider. A car which was in production for 27 years with few revisions to the original design in the last 24 years of production. It is quite clear the final S4 cars very closely resembled the first Duetto models. The comparison with the Ford Escort is clearly ridiculous!
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omniflow
216 posts
20 months
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Alfahorn said: I'm not surprised you struggled to understand Crostonians comments when you fail to recognise the classic status of the 105/115 series Alfa Romeo Spider. A car which was in production for 27 years with few revisions to the original design in the last 24 years of production. It is quite clear the final S4 cars very closely resembled the first Duetto models. The comparison with the Ford Escort is clearly ridiculous! A bit of a pompous response if you ask me. In my view (and this is just my opinion, whether you care or not) the S4 Spider is modern looking and really nowhere near as appealling as the S2 Spider and for that reason I don't consider it a classic. I think that the S4 Spider even has fuel injection, I'm not sure that was a feature of the earlier cars. The comparison with the Ford Escort is there to demonstrate just how precious you are all being.
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Abarthgp
14 posts
11 months
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Arthur Daley
247 posts
27 months
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What a ridiculous comparison!
You can't compare the list price of a TA with a pre reg 500A. You can compare pre reg for pre reg but it most cases funding is required and the new finance on a TA is incredible (3.5 % apr AND a £500 deposit contribution).
But the most glaring error is with mpgs.. You are comparing a TA being driven hard versus an Abarth being driven sensibly!
Abarth will realistically do 28/29/30mpg most of the time, if it begins with a 4 the car is wasted on you, suggest the 1.2 next time, you may get 60mpg!
TA will realistically return 45mpg whilst in the turbo mode most of the time, you may get low 50's in the eco mode. The high 60's are acheivable but its not a natural way of driving.
Horses for courses really, if you want a stylish city car thats not too flashy with a fun engine like nothing else on the market then you go TA. If you want a hot hatch then there are a myriad of options but the purest say 'Renaultsport' on the tailgate.
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Stinkfoot
1,632 posts
61 months
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If you drive like a vicar, and little to no interest in cars other than a means to get from a to b then the twin is the car for you. Anything else then the Abarth 500 is superior in every way.
Simples.......
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Oli G
25 posts
12 months
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Arthur Daley said: What a ridiculous comparison!
Abarth will realistically do 28/29/30mpg most of the time, if it begins with a 4 the car is wasted on you, suggest the 1.2 next time, you may get 60mpg! Mine certainly gets driven pretty hard but averages around 38mpg
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