One car to replace my current fleet?
Discussion
turbonutter said:
One only slightly used X19 in the same colours here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-X19-part-available-...
Poor thing. Looks salvageable. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-X19-part-available-...
A little photographic catch up.
The new coil transformed the car's low end torque and must have added a good few broken horses but didn't cure the fuel starvation issue.
Starting with the cheapest first I have replaced the fuel filter and squirted carb' cleaner liberally around the butterflies and jets. The left bank squirted straight through and the right bank (front butterfly) filled up first time and popped and went trough the second so I'm guessing that jet may have been blocked.
I'm optimistic that the fueling may be solved this time as I took the old filter off I noticed...
...some green plastic in the end of the line and filter itself.
I think at some time in the cars past the car ran out of fuel and was filled up with petrol from a can with a cross threaded or old plastic can.
It's plausible that the as the rpm increased the plastic was pushed into the filter restricting the flow causing or contributing to the starvation. This would also explain why the car started and ran perfectly almost immediately. As the engine cut out the fuel line pressure reduced and the plastic stopped acting as a valve.
I'll find out on the way to work tonight.
The new coil transformed the car's low end torque and must have added a good few broken horses but didn't cure the fuel starvation issue.
Starting with the cheapest first I have replaced the fuel filter and squirted carb' cleaner liberally around the butterflies and jets. The left bank squirted straight through and the right bank (front butterfly) filled up first time and popped and went trough the second so I'm guessing that jet may have been blocked.
I'm optimistic that the fueling may be solved this time as I took the old filter off I noticed...
...some green plastic in the end of the line and filter itself.
I think at some time in the cars past the car ran out of fuel and was filled up with petrol from a can with a cross threaded or old plastic can.
It's plausible that the as the rpm increased the plastic was pushed into the filter restricting the flow causing or contributing to the starvation. This would also explain why the car started and ran perfectly almost immediately. As the engine cut out the fuel line pressure reduced and the plastic stopped acting as a valve.
I'll find out on the way to work tonight.
Mystery of the missing water has been solved. Where the water pump pipe meets the thermostat housing there is a micro fine crack that is getting bigger daily.
As you would expect this is an obsolete part so I have a few options.
1/ Find a second hand one and take a gamble.
2/ Clean it up and hope it's good enough quality Aluminium to weld.
3/ See if a new one from another model, 128, Strada, Punto 1.6 Cabriolet or Punto 1.6 Sporting will fit.
Yep. Two of the bolts sheered off.
The housing has been off before but instead of replacing the gasket there is black silicone around the edge. This meant water could get into the bolt chambers of the housing, rust and sheer off. Nice little bodge bomb for the next guy. Thanks!
Once I peeled the silicone from the housing to waterpump neck there are two holes and hardly any metal to weld to.
I guess I'll be needing a new one once I've worked out how to get those studs out (hopefully without having to take the head off).
The housing has been off before but instead of replacing the gasket there is black silicone around the edge. This meant water could get into the bolt chambers of the housing, rust and sheer off. Nice little bodge bomb for the next guy. Thanks!
Once I peeled the silicone from the housing to waterpump neck there are two holes and hardly any metal to weld to.
I guess I'll be needing a new one once I've worked out how to get those studs out (hopefully without having to take the head off).
Love your attitude to problems - it's not a problem, it's an opportunity.
I drove an X-19 from southern England through France, over the Route Napoleon and down to Monaco to watch the Grand Prix erm a long time ago now.
Girlfriends car, I fitted a K&N and we enjoyed the induction noise over the mountains. Difficult to get the back-end out, we managed it on the hairpins where there was water running across the roads.
I don't think we had any trouble with it.... on that trip.
Is it true you can drop the Fiat 2.0 130 BHP unit in with minimal fuss?
I drove an X-19 from southern England through France, over the Route Napoleon and down to Monaco to watch the Grand Prix erm a long time ago now.
Girlfriends car, I fitted a K&N and we enjoyed the induction noise over the mountains. Difficult to get the back-end out, we managed it on the hairpins where there was water running across the roads.
I don't think we had any trouble with it.... on that trip.
Is it true you can drop the Fiat 2.0 130 BHP unit in with minimal fuss?
The 2.0 is a Lancia shared unit and could fit but...
The Punto 1.8 HGT is the last generation of the 128 block with the 16V head. In theory I could fit an HGT head onto my original 1500 block so it wouldn't upset the DVLA or VOSA. With a quartet of bike carb's and a decent exhaust the original HGT 130bhp should be replaceable.
I'm 50/50 with the stud extraction.
1/ If I can do I won't need to remove the head.
2/ If I do have to remove the head it's a chance to dog my port polishing kit out and fit a set of unleaded valves.
So if I can I'll be back on the road next week.
If I can't I'll be back on the road in a few weeks but with a much healthier engine.
Hmmmmmm...
Decisions eh?
The Punto 1.8 HGT is the last generation of the 128 block with the 16V head. In theory I could fit an HGT head onto my original 1500 block so it wouldn't upset the DVLA or VOSA. With a quartet of bike carb's and a decent exhaust the original HGT 130bhp should be replaceable.
I'm 50/50 with the stud extraction.
1/ If I can do I won't need to remove the head.
2/ If I do have to remove the head it's a chance to dog my port polishing kit out and fit a set of unleaded valves.
So if I can I'll be back on the road next week.
If I can't I'll be back on the road in a few weeks but with a much healthier engine.
Hmmmmmm...
Decisions eh?
Orangecurry said:
Po-lish!
Po-lish!
Po-lish!
Po-lish!
Do the whole job properly now.
I have a Punto Sporting 1.6 (gen II 128 engine) and the had complete with unleaded valves should be a straight swap. I'm looking for a Punto 90 Cabriolet though as the compression ratio is a little lower. Po-lish!
Po-lish!
Po-lish!
Do the whole job properly now.
Time for some "Man Maths"
The eBay chap wants £140 for his head.
Collection or delivery from West Midlandshire £35-£50
Head bolts. £20
Head gasket set. £25-£40
Skim - £25
Porting and polishing - a few hours work.
New belts and tensioner bearing - £25
Retrofitting the head - an hour or so.
Beer and Pizza - £30
Total = £330
Basically take £190 off that if I use my own head and add a few hours of work and more beer to get the studs out.
Onyx Firecat £395
Collection £150
Uno Turbo engine transplant - a few hours work.
Selling the chassis and bodywork - +£200 (ish)
Beer and Pizza £30-£50 (depending if I get help or not)
Total = £375 (depending on how much I get for the Uno and Onyx bits)
So that's an Uno turbo conversion for £45 (+ or - £190 if I can use my own head).
The eBay chap wants £140 for his head.
Collection or delivery from West Midlandshire £35-£50
Head bolts. £20
Head gasket set. £25-£40
Skim - £25
Porting and polishing - a few hours work.
New belts and tensioner bearing - £25
Retrofitting the head - an hour or so.
Beer and Pizza - £30
Total = £330
Basically take £190 off that if I use my own head and add a few hours of work and more beer to get the studs out.
Onyx Firecat £395
Collection £150
Uno Turbo engine transplant - a few hours work.
Selling the chassis and bodywork - +£200 (ish)
Beer and Pizza £30-£50 (depending if I get help or not)
Total = £375 (depending on how much I get for the Uno and Onyx bits)
So that's an Uno turbo conversion for £45 (+ or - £190 if I can use my own head).
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/fiat-punto-17tdsx-/16138...
It's a Fiat 128 block and has a turbo...
...hmmmm...
Nah.
It's a Fiat 128 block and has a turbo...
...hmmmm...
Nah.
I knew it would be too good to be true.
The £35 housing looked to be much better than mine with just a little pit to deal with.
Then...
...all three 10mm thermostat bolts sheared off.
Well that's a nice £35 bit of scrap. Still that the gamble when you buy second hand parts.
From the looks of the previous damaged to the side of the engine...
...it's fairly save to say I've bought a £1250 pile of scrap as well.
The £35 housing looked to be much better than mine with just a little pit to deal with.
Then...
...all three 10mm thermostat bolts sheared off.
Me said:
In the recorded history of man there has never been an instant where a stud has been successfully removed with an extractor.
Well that's a nice £35 bit of scrap. Still that the gamble when you buy second hand parts.
From the looks of the previous damaged to the side of the engine...
...it's fairly save to say I've bought a £1250 pile of scrap as well.
Hmmmmm...
Okay I was a little annoyed earlier. Partly due to finding myself in a rut of a dead end, but mostly due to putting half a drill bit trough my finger trying to get the stud extractor out.
After a cup of tea I had an idea...
...I cut the neck off the new(er) housing and ground the old one back until the metal was good enough to...
...wedge an off cut of Aluminium pipe in there and...
...bond in place with a bit of Steel Stick.
Inside as well. I know it's a bodge but it's a damn sight better than silicon sealant.
Okay I was a little annoyed earlier. Partly due to finding myself in a rut of a dead end, but mostly due to putting half a drill bit trough my finger trying to get the stud extractor out.
After a cup of tea I had an idea...
...I cut the neck off the new(er) housing and ground the old one back until the metal was good enough to...
...wedge an off cut of Aluminium pipe in there and...
...bond in place with a bit of Steel Stick.
Inside as well. I know it's a bodge but it's a damn sight better than silicon sealant.
Liquid Knight said:
Time for some "Man Maths"
The eBay chap wants £140 for his head.
Collection or delivery from West Midlandshire £35-£50
Head bolts. £20
Head gasket set. £25-£40
Skim - £25
Porting and polishing - a few hours work.
New belts and tensioner bearing - £25
Retrofitting the head - an hour or so.
Beer and Pizza - £30
Total = £330
Basically take £190 off that if I use my own head and add a few hours of work and more beer to get the studs out.
Onyx Firecat £395
Collection £150
Uno Turbo engine transplant - a few hours work.
Selling the chassis and bodywork - +£200 (ish)
Beer and Pizza £30-£50 (depending if I get help or not)
Total = £375 (depending on how much I get for the Uno and Onyx bits)
So that's an Uno turbo conversion for £45 (+ or - £190 if I can use my own head).
do the Uno conversion - it really does transform the car, well worth it (then loose the 1500 bumpers and you'll have quite a nippy little mowtah!)The eBay chap wants £140 for his head.
Collection or delivery from West Midlandshire £35-£50
Head bolts. £20
Head gasket set. £25-£40
Skim - £25
Porting and polishing - a few hours work.
New belts and tensioner bearing - £25
Retrofitting the head - an hour or so.
Beer and Pizza - £30
Total = £330
Basically take £190 off that if I use my own head and add a few hours of work and more beer to get the studs out.
Onyx Firecat £395
Collection £150
Uno Turbo engine transplant - a few hours work.
Selling the chassis and bodywork - +£200 (ish)
Beer and Pizza £30-£50 (depending if I get help or not)
Total = £375 (depending on how much I get for the Uno and Onyx bits)
So that's an Uno turbo conversion for £45 (+ or - £190 if I can use my own head).
Gassing Station | Alfa Romeo, Fiat & Lancia | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff