Lancia Integrale 16v - any good?

Lancia Integrale 16v - any good?

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Orangecurry

Original Poster:

7,386 posts

205 months

Thursday 7th August 2014
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Well obviously they are, but is there any particular reason why the 16v is not as good/loved as the later EVO cars?

Any info/hints/tips/links gratefully received.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Well, the EVO cars are the finished item. Nothing wrong with the 8v or 16v cars, though. Decent article on Wikipaedia.

226bhp

10,203 posts

127 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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It depends on what you want out of it, 80% of Evo owners bought their cars purely for the look, the 16v non Evo is just as enjoyable, expensive to run and quick in everyday life.
The Evo 2 does have much better front seats though.

Orangecurry

Original Poster:

7,386 posts

205 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Thanks both.

The 16v seems to be half the price of the EVO onwards cars - I wondered if there was a step-change in reliability, rust-proofing etc etc ?

So it's just looks?

How shallow we petrolheads are hehe

Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Orangecurry said:
Thanks both.

The 16v seems to be half the price of the EVO onwards cars - I wondered if there was a step-change in reliability, rust-proofing etc etc ?

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Nope ................all Integrales are the same. Saying that, I always thought the EVO 2 a slightly better built car. Yes the EVO looks better. I'm shallow smile

16V non EVO is a great car.

Its been a long time since I was into Lancias, but if memory serves, If you look at an EVO1, just make sure it aint the German 8V model.

A 16V Integrale or EVO would murder a 993 on the twisties. Problem is, they can cost a fortune to keep tiptop.

Baldy881

1,333 posts

176 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Love mine smile



I think you have to be careful with purchase, or lucky. I knew little about them when we bought ours back in 2009. I think we've been relatively lucky as problems have been few and far between. There were one or two bigger issues at the start of the relationship, but buying from a specialist (Walkers) meant we had some comeback. The major early problems (like needing a new clutch!!) were eventually sorted FOC.

Since then the costs haven't been bad, but truth is it doesn't get used that much. Fuel economy is awful in modern terms (18/20mpg), the belt and bearings change (3 years/20k) is £450+ at a specialist. Parts are getting hard to find. Bodywork can be a mare, again we've had just bits and pieces dealt with by a decent reputable local painter and the car is in great unrestored condition.

The drive is insane, we've had it chipped to 240bhp. It has coilovers/poly bushes/uprated discs and pads and some additional bracing front and rear. It rattles, squeaks, clonks and smells of petrol most of the time biggrin But keep it on the boil and it covers ground at alarming pace. I did a 50 mile loop last night in the car that I usually do on the bike (GSX-R1000) and it took about the same amount of time.

Great fun wink

Orangecurry

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7,386 posts

205 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Thanks Mr W.

I still don't understand the huge price differential.

15,000 16Vs made and 12,000 EVO I and II so it's not exclusivity.

Orangecurry

Original Poster:

7,386 posts

205 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Thanks Baldy - nice colour.

Having owned a Prodrive Impreza for ten years, I know about the serious fun that such cars bring.

I just don't understand the Integrale prices!

Wozy68

5,387 posts

169 months

Friday 8th August 2014
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Orangecurry said:
Thanks Mr W.

I still don't understand the huge price differential.

15,000 16Vs made and 12,000 EVO I and II so it's not exclusivity.
Its the arches ....... It can't just be the WRC...... Lancia pulled out before the EVO2 came out.

It just looks more the part if its an EVO. Standard 16V is nearly just as good, just doesn't quite look it.

If I was to buy one tomorrow. I'd buy either a 16V Integrale or possibly EVO1 and let the others in this world buy an EVO2 (unless it was good and cheap). Nothing wrong with an EVO2, but like the 964RS, the C2 is nearly just as good, but cost less. smile

Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 8th August 21:39

mallygreen

243 posts

189 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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The Evo looks the best, like my old one, in my opinion. Nothing wrong with a good 16v though.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP1uDAgObBI&li...

andy-integrale

411 posts

190 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Orangecurry said:
Thanks Mr W.

I still don't understand the huge price differential.

15,000 16Vs made and 12,000 EVO I and II so it's not exclusivity.
Where have you got your numbers from?

I am away at the minute but my books give production numbers and I had in my head that the Evo 1 was about 4500 + limited editions and the Evo 2 about 1200 + limited Editions.

I always knew I wanted an Evo but that was purely from a looks point of view - if anything the 16V is meant to be a purer car. I must admit the narrower body cars have grown on me over the years and cars such as Baldy's are fabulous things.

People who work on them tend to say that the Evo 2 are a bit better screwed together. They were assembled in a different factory as Lancia had by that time given up on the integrale. Purists will say an Evo 2 is not the proper thing as they never won anything.... Thy tend to be jealous of the high back Recaros :-)

Goes without saying that the most important thing is not whether its an 8v, 16V, Evo 1 or 2 is that you get a decent one.



Edited by andy-integrale on Thursday 14th August 15:41

crostonian

2,427 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Bit off topic but did Lancia ever officially refer to the Evoluzione 2 as such in contemporary literature/presentations? I always remember it as the Evoluzione Cat, as in catalyst, in the press packs and yes I know there were the Swiss market Evo 8V Kats, is Evo 2 a moniker that has been applied retrospectively?

arguti

1,771 posts

185 months

Friday 15th August 2014
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Orangecurry said:
Thanks Mr W.
I still don't understand the huge price differential.
15,000 16Vs made and 12,000 EVO I and II so it's not exclusivity.
For a lot less outlay you can get same Integrale running gear in the Alfa 155 Q4 and fit all the kids in!

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

242 months

Friday 15th August 2014
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crostonian said:
Is Evo 2 a moniker that has been applied retrospectively?
Yes it is, Lancia advertised it as the Evo 3, presumably meaning 3rd Evolution of the 16v.

viggyp

1,917 posts

134 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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Evoluzione said:
crostonian said:
Is Evo 2 a moniker that has been applied retrospectively?
Yes it is, Lancia advertised it as the Evo 3, presumably meaning 3rd Evolution of the 16v.
Evo 3?? They never made an Evo 3 apart from the Maggiora Viola which wasn't commissioned by Lancia.

Evo & Evo 2 only according to everything I've read.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

242 months

Saturday 16th August 2014
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viggyp said:
Evoluzione said:
crostonian said:
Is Evo 2 a moniker that has been applied retrospectively?
Yes it is, Lancia advertised it as the Evo 3, presumably meaning 3rd Evolution of the 16v.
Evo 3?? They never made an Evo 3 apart from the Maggiora Viola which wasn't commissioned by Lancia.

Evo & Evo 2 only according to everything I've read.
Then you need to go read a bit more.

viggyp

1,917 posts

134 months

Sunday 17th August 2014
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Evoluzione said:
viggyp said:
Evoluzione said:
crostonian said:
Is Evo 2 a moniker that has been applied retrospectively?
Yes it is, Lancia advertised it as the Evo 3, presumably meaning 3rd Evolution of the 16v.
Evo 3?? They never made an Evo 3 apart from the Maggiora Viola which wasn't commissioned by Lancia.

Evo & Evo 2 only according to everything I've read.
Then you need to go read a bit more.
Erm, ok but I have......point me in the right direction!!



Edited by viggyp on Sunday 17th August 00:49

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

242 months

Monday 18th August 2014
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viggyp said:
Evoluzione said:
viggyp said:
Evoluzione said:
crostonian said:
Is Evo 2 a moniker that has been applied retrospectively?
Yes it is, Lancia advertised it as the Evo 3, presumably meaning 3rd Evolution of the 16v.
Evo 3?? They never made an Evo 3 apart from the Maggiora Viola which wasn't commissioned by Lancia.

Evo & Evo 2 only according to everything I've read.
Then you need to go read a bit more.
Erm, ok but I have......point me in the right direction!!



Edited by viggyp on Sunday 17th August 00:49
Cool book collection Bro, but you won't find any of Lancias adverts in there.
At the bottom of this advert here:



Is this:



Sorry for the crappy phone pics, the ad was behind glass too which didn't help.





crostonian

2,427 posts

171 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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I think Evo 3 was dreamt up by the UK PR department! My belief is that the competition car was called the 'Evoluzione 2' however the road car equivalent was the 'Evoluzione Cat'.

viggyp

1,917 posts

134 months

Tuesday 19th August 2014
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Evoluzione said:
Cool book collection Bro, but you won't find any of Lancias adverts in there.
At the bottom of this advert here:



Is this:



Sorry for the crappy phone pics, the ad was behind glass too which didn't help.
My word. I had that as a poster years back but never read the small print. I've only ever heard people state Evo 3 but never seen it written/typed. Interesting. Cheers bud.