Alfa Romeo GT 1600 Junior
Discussion
Mound Dawg said:
Fergus,
I mentioned this post to Max today and he said that after you'd told him the same thing at the handover he took you out in the car and practically put you through the windscreen.
Have they disappeared since then?
(Jim@alfaholics)
Jim, hi.I mentioned this post to Max today and he said that after you'd told him the same thing at the handover he took you out in the car and practically put you through the windscreen.
Have they disappeared since then?
(Jim@alfaholics)
Edited by Mound Dawg on Wednesday 10th June 20:04
I beg to differ. I don't recall going any where near the windscreen....
I took the car out this morning and deliberately tried to lock the wheels (without just jumping on the pedal), I.e. Via progressive application of pedal pressure) but the car wasn't being retarded very quickly as I would have hoped.. I don't think the pads will have glazed but will check them anyway. I took my kids out in the car this morning, but won't do that again until I can massively improve the braking performance. It's MOT time soon so will see what figures the car pulls on the mot brake rollers....
Does anyone know the spec of the m/c on a single servo gt junior, or can provide the pedal ratio, etc?
On a separate note, any tips on starting a 1300 from cold? The car takes age to catch. Typically I give about 4 pumps to the twin 40 DCOE 28s then crank the car over. It has a 123 electronic dizzy but I haven't checked the curve yet. I've seen a few curves where the cranking advance is dropped to zero with a kick built into the curve at say 600rpm to stop the car stalling. In effect an idle control. (I have this setup on an Emerald ECU on my caterham and it gives a rock solid idle). I think there may be too much advance to easily start a cold engine. When hot the problem isn't as bad.... Thoughts?
You won't lock the brakes on one of these cars with progressive braking until you get to quite high brake pressures, even with our bigger brakes. They're not designed to do this. Maybe the pads have glazed though. As they're DS pads it may be worth putting a few big heat cycles through them, find an empty piece of motorway (good luck with this...) and try a couple of big stoppies 70 down to 40 ought to do it. Do it a few times and see how it goes. The single circuit Junior with a servo uses a 7/8" master cylinder.
These things can be a pain to start and they're all a bit different so you need to work out what they like. Rather like women, they won't tell you, they'll expect you to figure it out with no help, like you're some sort of mind reader.
These things can be a pain to start and they're all a bit different so you need to work out what they like. Rather like women, they won't tell you, they'll expect you to figure it out with no help, like you're some sort of mind reader.
Edited by Mound Dawg on Thursday 11th June 07:04
Edited by Mound Dawg on Thursday 11th June 07:07
Mound Dawg said:
You won't lock the brakes on one of these cars with progressive braking until you get to quite high brake pressures, even with our bigger brakes. They're not designed to do this. Maybe the pads have glazed though. As they're DS pads it may be worth putting a few big heat cycles through them, find an empty piece of motorway (good luck with this...) and try a couple of big stoppies 70 down to 40 ought to do it. Do it a few times and see how it goes. The single circuit Junior with a servo uses a 7/8" master cylinder.
These things can be a pain to start and they're all a bit different so you need to work out what they like. Rather like women, they won't tell you, they'll expect you to figure it out with no help, like you're some sort of mind reader.
Hi Jim, thanks for the reply. I'll try putting a few heat cycles through the pads and see how it goes. CheersThese things can be a pain to start and they're all a bit different so you need to work out what they like. Rather like women, they won't tell you, they'll expect you to figure it out with no help, like you're some sort of mind reader.
For anyone still looking for a Giulia coupe, surely this cars looks like good value -
http://www.alfaholics.com/2015/07/1974-giulia-2000...
No affiliation to Alfaholics other than having contributed substantially to the Bankses' Pension Plan over the years!
http://www.alfaholics.com/2015/07/1974-giulia-2000...
No affiliation to Alfaholics other than having contributed substantially to the Bankses' Pension Plan over the years!
velocemitch said:
On the starting, is it just taking a while to pull the fuel through?, mine can be like that but I'm on the mechanical pump. An Electric pump would probably sort it out for me.
Also there's quite a sea of oil to plough through. All Nords (I've tried) feel like they aren't happy to idle: they love to rev.Hi Jim!
sunbeam alpine said:
I had a friend drive my 1750 GTV yesterday, and I really struggled to get him to change his driving technique to get anything out of the car at all. He'd only driven diesels before, and was changing up at about 2000 RPM - I don't think the car has ever travelled so slowly!
Now that I find amazing: your GTV goes pretty well even at 2K. Although agreed: they love to rev so why not do just that? The Nords can take a fair bit of abuse. They love it!
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Regarding the car's height, it may be worth checking whether the car is on original 14" wheels. A lot of these cars sit on 15" rims (wider choice of tyres I guess) which fill the arches much more, and there is less space visible above the wheel.
Would echo the sentiment that an Alfaholics fast road kit makes a massive improvement to these cars (My GTV and Giulia both have them).
Would echo the sentiment that an Alfaholics fast road kit makes a massive improvement to these cars (My GTV and Giulia both have them).
Before you leap to a handling kit, are you sure the suspension is set up correctly as it is? The attitude of the car doesn't look quite right. And even without a handling kit it should still be a delight to drive.
(Plus, there's a growing school of thought amongst purists that the original suspension set up on historic tyres gives you the best possible Alfa experience!)
(Plus, there's a growing school of thought amongst purists that the original suspension set up on historic tyres gives you the best possible Alfa experience!)
looking to join the GT junior club...! Anyone know this car for sale up in Yorkshire?
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C780008
missed out on a beautiful one earlier in the summer (disappeared for C&C and ebay then was relisted, hoping the same happens again) This one looks in similar nick and price. They all seem to be around £25k mark.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C780008
missed out on a beautiful one earlier in the summer (disappeared for C&C and ebay then was relisted, hoping the same happens again) This one looks in similar nick and price. They all seem to be around £25k mark.
george123 said:
looking to join the GT junior club...! Anyone know this car for sale up in Yorkshire?
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C780008
missed out on a beautiful one earlier in the summer (disappeared for C&C and ebay then was relisted, hoping the same happens again) This one looks in similar nick and price. They all seem to be around £25k mark.
Seems a very reasonable price for a stepfront, but I'm not sure that the dashboard is correct for that model. I could be wrong (I often am) but I thought all the stepfront models had the older style dashboard.http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C780008
missed out on a beautiful one earlier in the summer (disappeared for C&C and ebay then was relisted, hoping the same happens again) This one looks in similar nick and price. They all seem to be around £25k mark.
When I go on a buying trip I take a mate's dad with me - he's retired now, but worked his whole life on Alfas, and he can spot a dodgy one before he gets out of the car. Maybe you could get someone to go with you?
P.S. Some may say it's heresy to say it, but don't discount the Alfa Giulia (obviously the old one). I personally think they drive better than the GT, and they're still much more affordable.
sunbeam alpine said:
Seems a very reasonable price for a stepfront, but I'm not sure that the dashboard is correct for that model. I could be wrong (I often am) but I thought all the stepfront models had the older style dashboard.
When I go on a buying trip I take a mate's dad with me - he's retired now, but worked his whole life on Alfas, and he can spot a dodgy one before he gets out of the car. Maybe you could get someone to go with you?
P.S. Some may say it's heresy to say it, but don't discount the Alfa Giulia (obviously the old one). I personally think they drive better than the GT, and they're still much more affordable.
Yes I'd definitely get some sort of inspection, I think its the 60s ones which have the flat dash.When I go on a buying trip I take a mate's dad with me - he's retired now, but worked his whole life on Alfas, and he can spot a dodgy one before he gets out of the car. Maybe you could get someone to go with you?
P.S. Some may say it's heresy to say it, but don't discount the Alfa Giulia (obviously the old one). I personally think they drive better than the GT, and they're still much more affordable.
The Giulias are lovely but all the ones Ive seen are £30k + !
Elderly said:
sunbeam alpine said:
Seems a very reasonable price for a stepfront, but I'm not sure that the dashboard is correct for that model. I could be wrong (I often am) but I thought all the stepfront models had the older style dashboard.
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Dashboard is correct..
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