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errek72 said:
There's a bit of rub there for me. Apart from the one you described which seems legit the rest of the tales of woe seem to be an exact copy of any negative press reports and mostly are posted by profiles disappearing just as suddenly as they have appeared. Whereas the guys that keep posting pics, video's and evidence of track heroics gor monyhs on end don't seem to be having that much of an issue. Although I have to admit I did not read all of the threads - bit much.
A 4C is a marmite car! I love it because it's so different to my other cars. For me here 2 things that need sorting 1) The steering kick back, and 2) The exhaust drone (race exhaust) when cruising. Looks like my steering will be sorted FOC, but I don't think I'll get an Akrapovic dual mode exhaust on a recall.
Ullers said:
A 4C is a marmite car! I love it because it's so different to my other cars.
Same here, nice to see Alfa seems to be getting their mojo back.Ullers said:
For me here 2 things that need sorting 1) The steering kick back, and 2) The exhaust drone (race exhaust) when cruising. Looks like my steering will be sorted FOC, but I don't think I'll get an Akrapovic dual mode exhaust on a recall.
With the steering there are two separate issues I believe. First is that some are not used to or did not expect when you delete assist on a car like this (The longer I have it the more I realise that it is not a Lotus, it has wider tires, it is wider by itself, it's a different car).I already drove a GTV6 with wide tires and no assist, and so this never really was an issue with me. Turns out it is for some and it seems to explain the negative press reports on the steering. http://sniffpetrol.com/2015/01/30/a-week-with-an-a...
Then apparently some -so far one confirmed on that forum mentioned- that have an issue where the alignment was out. No idea if that is an Alfa issue, a dealer issue or the guys('s wife, son,...) that messed it up by hitting a curb or something but I'm sure its possible. I'm also sure it is not what the recall -Alfa does not even seem to be calling it that- campaign is about, since that is what my dealer confirmed to me.
(In fact, come to think about it I have never in 20 years seen Alfa so worried about the launch and first months of ownership of a car.)
The drone can be pretty annoying. My remedy is to slow down or speed up so it gets out of the resonance range.
Hi all, and sorry for silence. Couple of updates:
Was able to, for the first time, take her out on a road I know very well and give her a proper workout. I can't remember the last time I said 'f**k me' quite so many times (in a good way) apart from when I was in the 360. Have to say that the steering does become more lively at speed on a bumpy road but nothing that caused me worry. But the feedback is fantastic, both from the ride and the steering.
The exhaust drone is very tedious. If the Akropovic sorts this out then I might have to invest, though it's slightly annoying that having to spend money to rectify an issue.
The brakes are also quite grabby around town. On the move they are brilliant, but at slow speed its not easy progressively braking to a stop - it's more of an emergency stop! Perhaps that is just my leaden foot though.
It's back at Alfa today to have the seat lowered - clearly the previous owner was a short@rse(!), and I've asked them to check on recalls and to check brakes.
I also need to invest in a stereo and speakers that actually work. If anyone has any recommendations, gratefully received. And listen to the engine is not one! That's fine on a spirited drive but around the M25 some music would be nice - not least to drown out the exhaust!
Will let you know outcomes.
Was able to, for the first time, take her out on a road I know very well and give her a proper workout. I can't remember the last time I said 'f**k me' quite so many times (in a good way) apart from when I was in the 360. Have to say that the steering does become more lively at speed on a bumpy road but nothing that caused me worry. But the feedback is fantastic, both from the ride and the steering.
The exhaust drone is very tedious. If the Akropovic sorts this out then I might have to invest, though it's slightly annoying that having to spend money to rectify an issue.
The brakes are also quite grabby around town. On the move they are brilliant, but at slow speed its not easy progressively braking to a stop - it's more of an emergency stop! Perhaps that is just my leaden foot though.
It's back at Alfa today to have the seat lowered - clearly the previous owner was a short@rse(!), and I've asked them to check on recalls and to check brakes.
I also need to invest in a stereo and speakers that actually work. If anyone has any recommendations, gratefully received. And listen to the engine is not one! That's fine on a spirited drive but around the M25 some music would be nice - not least to drown out the exhaust!
Will let you know outcomes.
Another happy owner and have to agree with the comments of others
Re the steering has anyone actually had a car checked by Alfa / dealer as opinions are so varied there has to be a difference between particular cars
Also they are very sensitive to tyre pressures I gather and a small amount out or differance between tyres can have a noticeable differance
I have the same issue as the one in the picture, just can't find a space for a front plate anywhere.
The radio. Why so complicated ???!
Overall it's just a joy to own, addictive, the car where you look fir an excuse to nip out, had a lot of cars but this really will be a keeper .
Re the steering has anyone actually had a car checked by Alfa / dealer as opinions are so varied there has to be a difference between particular cars
Also they are very sensitive to tyre pressures I gather and a small amount out or differance between tyres can have a noticeable differance
I have the same issue as the one in the picture, just can't find a space for a front plate anywhere.
The radio. Why so complicated ???!
Overall it's just a joy to own, addictive, the car where you look fir an excuse to nip out, had a lot of cars but this really will be a keeper .
I'm sorry - you and I appear to be wrong.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
Nero44 said:
Hi all, and sorry for silence. Couple of updates:
Was able to, for the first time, take her out on a road I know very well and give her a proper workout. I can't remember the last time I said 'f**k me' quite so many times (in a good way) apart from when I was in the 360. Have to say that the steering does become more lively at speed on a bumpy road but nothing that caused me worry. But the feedback is fantastic, both from the ride and the steering.
The exhaust drone is very tedious. If the Akropovic sorts this out then I might have to invest, though it's slightly annoying that having to spend money to rectify an issue.
The brakes are also quite grabby around town. On the move they are brilliant, but at slow speed its not easy progressively braking to a stop - it's more of an emergency stop! Perhaps that is just my leaden foot though.
It's back at Alfa today to have the seat lowered - clearly the previous owner was a short@rse(!), and I've asked them to check on recalls and to check brakes.
I also need to invest in a stereo and speakers that actually work. If anyone has any recommendations, gratefully received. And listen to the engine is not one! That's fine on a spirited drive but around the M25 some music would be nice - not least to drown out the exhaust!
Will let you know outcomes.
Hi Nero, what you've written is how i feel about mine as well! you cant accuse it of being boring! Was able to, for the first time, take her out on a road I know very well and give her a proper workout. I can't remember the last time I said 'f**k me' quite so many times (in a good way) apart from when I was in the 360. Have to say that the steering does become more lively at speed on a bumpy road but nothing that caused me worry. But the feedback is fantastic, both from the ride and the steering.
The exhaust drone is very tedious. If the Akropovic sorts this out then I might have to invest, though it's slightly annoying that having to spend money to rectify an issue.
The brakes are also quite grabby around town. On the move they are brilliant, but at slow speed its not easy progressively braking to a stop - it's more of an emergency stop! Perhaps that is just my leaden foot though.
It's back at Alfa today to have the seat lowered - clearly the previous owner was a short@rse(!), and I've asked them to check on recalls and to check brakes.
I also need to invest in a stereo and speakers that actually work. If anyone has any recommendations, gratefully received. And listen to the engine is not one! That's fine on a spirited drive but around the M25 some music would be nice - not least to drown out the exhaust!
Will let you know outcomes.
Audio wise, the Parrot system has been known to have a poor built in amp so just a change to a decent head unit will make a difference with distortion and speaker control. As for speakers though, i'm all ears as i don't know what is fitted and i haven't taken the door cards off yet. do you know what size speakers it has?
edited to add, this would look quite good and is a very good unit!
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/bluetooth/head-uni...
Edited by Richard-G on Thursday 7th May 12:05
errek72 said:
I'm sorry - you and I appear to be wrong.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
It amuses me that so many "expert opinions" are based on never having even sat in the car, let alone driven it. Their loss!The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
Plipton said:
errek72 said:
I'm sorry - you and I appear to be wrong.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
It amuses me that so many "expert opinions" are based on never having even sat in the car, let alone driven it. Their loss!The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
I fear education is futile.
Have you guys with such interesting past cars ever tried different TVR models? - I suspect they would all provide the hi ratio of LOL/KM that you seek...and leave sufficient spare funds for say an everyday Cayman? 
- Just a thought - TVRs arent generally criticised for poor aural entertainment
Certainly not trying to take anything away from 4C, which is a bold statement...and very much in the Lotus mated with a TVR fold
- Just a thought - TVRs arent generally criticised for poor aural entertainment Certainly not trying to take anything away from 4C, which is a bold statement...and very much in the Lotus mated with a TVR fold
Count Vampirski said:
Have you guys with such interesting past cars ever tried different TVR models? - I suspect they would all provide the hi ratio of LOL/KM that you seek...and leave sufficient spare funds for say an everyday Cayman? - Just a thought - TVRs arent generally criticised for poor aural entertainment
Certainly not trying to take anything away from 4C, which is a bold statement...and very much in the Lotus mated with a TVR fold
Yep - 2 Chimaeras (400 and 450) plus a Tuscan Speed 6 RR. The V8s sounded lovely but I have to admit the S6 with cats removed and straight through end cans sounded the dog's doodahs. - Just a thought - TVRs arent generally criticised for poor aural entertainment Certainly not trying to take anything away from 4C, which is a bold statement...and very much in the Lotus mated with a TVR fold
Handling though.... er..... scary as hell.
errek72 said:
I'm sorry - you and I appear to be wrong.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
"For now the 4C is a sports car for posers rather than the drivers"The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
Ouch. That's gotta sting.
Fantuzzi said:
errek72 said:
I'm sorry - you and I appear to be wrong.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
"For now the 4C is a sports car for posers rather than the drivers"The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
Ouch. That's gotta sting.
plenty wrong with the 4C, plenty right with it as well! i don't think that anyone who has handed over the readies feels short changed.
oh and in case anyone dropping into this thread hasn't heard, Alfa are starting a 4C 'pitstop program' they will be in contact with owners and certain chassis numbers will be collected, taken away to the alfa HQ in England and 'updated'. I don't know for sure but rumors suggest this will be to address some software issues and modify the geometry.
Any car of this ilk is a massive compromise, I know the Evora is, the Cayman is (too anodyne inside), most Ferrari's are, the Lambo Hurracan is etc
Enjoy the good bits live with the bad, they add character.
4C keeps tempting me, and may happen after the Evora if I don't go for an Evora 400
Enjoy the good bits live with the bad, they add character.
4C keeps tempting me, and may happen after the Evora if I don't go for an Evora 400
Richard-G said:
Fantuzzi said:
errek72 said:
I'm sorry - you and I appear to be wrong.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
"For now the 4C is a sports car for posers rather than the drivers"The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
Ouch. That's gotta sting.
plenty wrong with the 4C, plenty right with it as well! i don't think that anyone who has handed over the readies feels short changed.
oh and in case anyone dropping into this thread hasn't heard, Alfa are starting a 4C 'pitstop program' they will be in contact with owners and certain chassis numbers will be collected, taken away to the alfa HQ in England and 'updated'. I don't know for sure but rumors suggest this will be to address some software issues and modify the geometry.
blueg33 said:
Any car of this ilk is a massive compromise, I know the Evora is, the Cayman is (too anodyne inside), most Ferrari's are, the Lambo Hurracan is etc
Enjoy the good bits live with the bad, they add character.
4C keeps tempting me, and may happen after the Evora if I don't go for an Evora 400
blueg33, buy the Evora! I own the 4C and ive driven evoras and various lotii and that 400 will be epic. Buy one of these 4C's when they have them fully honed. Enjoy the good bits live with the bad, they add character.
4C keeps tempting me, and may happen after the Evora if I don't go for an Evora 400
Fantuzzi said:
Richard-G said:
Fantuzzi said:
errek72 said:
I'm sorry - you and I appear to be wrong.
The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
"For now the 4C is a sports car for posers rather than the drivers"The driving Gods at EVO, CAR and Pistonheads say so and the comments section ditto. It is a missed chance, awful, frustrating sad, an MR2 turbo, anything positive to be said on the car is emotional drivel. I guess we'll have to sell it.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Actually, I'd rather after 13 years leave what has become sheepleheads. Enjoy your cars or enjoy being envious of others, whatever group you belong to. Ta.
Ouch. That's gotta sting.
plenty wrong with the 4C, plenty right with it as well! i don't think that anyone who has handed over the readies feels short changed.
oh and in case anyone dropping into this thread hasn't heard, Alfa are starting a 4C 'pitstop program' they will be in contact with owners and certain chassis numbers will be collected, taken away to the alfa HQ in England and 'updated'. I don't know for sure but rumors suggest this will be to address some software issues and modify the geometry.
Reading owners reviews of and sat in a Lotus Elise myself, I get a feeling Lotus is being judged too much on it's rights and the 4C too much on it's wrongs.
Without redoing the discussion like the one in another thread on this forum; f.i. EVO gave the latest Elise Cup 5 out of 5 stars; did Catchpole mention that he could hardly fit (his knees are next to his ears), that the gearbox isn't really good, that it rattled a bit, that the interior was cramped, spartan and not of particularly high quality, that the engine wasn't as good and/or characterfull as Porsche Cayman's is....
http://www.evo.co.uk/lotus/elise/15680/lotus-elise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f04x7Fd6Pwk
No it didn't, just five stars (and if you listen really good at the end of the video you good just about hear the "god save the queen" set in).
DeltonaS said:
that the engine wasn't as good and/or characterfull as Porsche Cayman's is....
Don't mention the P word in here please. Mods 
I take your point, the 4C is an interesting car and too many armchair morons are talking a lot of rubbish.
the lotus's (whichever one you go for) are exceptional cars.
Richard-G said:
blueg33 said:
Any car of this ilk is a massive compromise, I know the Evora is, the Cayman is (too anodyne inside), most Ferrari's are, the Lambo Hurracan is etc
Enjoy the good bits live with the bad, they add character.
4C keeps tempting me, and may happen after the Evora if I don't go for an Evora 400
blueg33, buy the Evora! I own the 4C and ive driven evoras and various lotii and that 400 will be epic. Buy one of these 4C's when they have them fully honed. Enjoy the good bits live with the bad, they add character.
4C keeps tempting me, and may happen after the Evora if I don't go for an Evora 400
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