Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio - Anyone Ordering One
Discussion
likesachange said:
ecain63 said:
What's the 100-200kpj and 60-130mph times for the stock dct M3? In the dry. Corrected.
In all fairness if you don't know the m3 times how can you say it's miles faster?It will edge it if have though and be more on par with the m5
Stock Fxx M3s are around 10s 100-200 in the dry. The W205 C63S is around 8s in the dry. For the QV to be 2s quicker than the M3 when wet tells me its miles quicker than the M3. The C63S is a worthy adversary.
ecain63 said:
M3 around 10s 100-200?
The QV in the wet, at only 200 miles on the clock ran a corrected 8.18s.
That's faster than my tuned PPP C63.
Thank you. I like that. I like that a lot!The QV in the wet, at only 200 miles on the clock ran a corrected 8.18s.
That's faster than my tuned PPP C63.
I used to have C63PPP daily. But they became rather ubiquitous. I hope that doesn't befall the Alfa.
urquattroGus said:
It was cold and wet so I didn't even ask. Should have at least revved it in Race mode.
I think car wow say about 3k off? The dealers are not being allowed to discount as much for now I think.
I'm lucky enough to qualify for 9.5% off Fiat Affinity scheme, also with 3 years free servicing, helped me place the order for sure.
For cash that was my experience. However both dealers I tried made the overall price cheaper net of interest costs on finance, with dealer contributions - somehow. Though 9.5% off beats where I got to!I think car wow say about 3k off? The dealers are not being allowed to discount as much for now I think.
I'm lucky enough to qualify for 9.5% off Fiat Affinity scheme, also with 3 years free servicing, helped me place the order for sure.
New Motortrend article released today to accompany the recent video, it's practically gushing about the Alfa!
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2...
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2...
urquattroGus said:
New Motortrend article released today to accompany the recent video, it's practically gushing about the Alfa!
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2...
Funny as i posted this on page 17. http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2...
Yes but that was the video.
This is the written article! And with detailed stats laid out too.
As you can't be bothered to read it here is a cut and paste:
First Place: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
THE BEST ALL-ROUNDER
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio front three quarers
VIEW ALL 80 PHOTOS
To judge a brand-new car’s expected reliability by the reputation of a car produced 30 years ago is absurd, but bad reputations are tough to shake, especially one as well earned as Alfa Romeo’s. Alas every conversation we had about the Giulia Quadrifoglio included concerns of impending catastrophic breakdown. To our surprise, the Alfa showed no sign of weakness during this long, abusive test. Instead, it charmed us all and crippled the competition, claiming an easy victory.
Why so easy? The sheer breadth of its capabilities. The Giulia is a jack-of-all-trades and master of most. Whereas most cars do one thing well at the expense of everything else, the Giulia simply does everything well. For example, it rides so smoothly, is so quiet inside, and cruises down the highway with such relaxed confidence that we GPS-verified its speedometer to ensure it wasn’t optimistic by 15 mph.
But then, with the mode selector in Race mode, the Alfa forgets about luxury, transforming into a violent sports sedan with a bad boy attitude none of its three competitors can come close to matching. On track, the Alfa demonstrates athleticism nearing the Cadillac’s but manages an even quicker lap time. The Giulia’s torque-vectoring rear differential helps put every one of its 505 horsepower to good use. There’s no accidental tire smoke here. In fact, the Giulia doesn’t like to do powerslides; it just wants to be fast.
Speaking of fast, the Alfa’s steering uses an obscenely quick ratio, 11.8:1 with just 2.3 turns from lock to lock. The electrically assisted steering is as light as a Ferrari’s and almost as precise, giving its driver the impression that the Giulia is weightless. Aided by hyperaggressive 60-tread-wear Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires, cornering grip is yuge, which left us puzzled when the Alfa tied the BMW for the least skidpad grip of the group.
Ignore that number. In fact, ignore all numbers because whether driving in a straight line, in corners, or on a racetrack, the Alfa is incredible. Over broken, twisty tarmac, this sedan’s family lineage becomes clear. Ferrari’s former chief engineer Roberto Fedeli is now Alfa Romeo’s chief technical officer, and the Quadrifoglio’s dynamics bear his stamp. This five-seater possesses the same preternatural ability as the best recent Ferraris to follow your wishes no matter how absurd the request. It does things that seem impossible, feeling like it could change direction while airborne. It shrugs off jumps, bumps, surface changes, and camber swaps as if the laws of physics were rewritten especially for it. You know there must be electronic trickery happening, yet you feel none of it. And better, all of this capability is met with equal parts fun, and that’s something so often missing in very fast cars. The Giulia Quadrifoglio is the closest thing to a Ferrari sedan you can buy.
We haven’t even spoken of the engine yet. The 505-hp 2.9-liter V-6 is a masterpiece. It’s not just good for a V-6, like every other engine of this configuration, but genuinely, surprisingly, odds-defyingly epic. Then again, it should be, since it’s a Ferrari California T V-8 with the front two cylinders lopped off. The short-stroke, nonbalance-shafted six will rev 900 rpm past its 6,500-rpm tachometer redline, never making any of the cringeworthy mechanical noises that plague all other V-6s. This is, perhaps, the best V-6 since the famed Alfa Romeo “Busso” engine that powered the Giulia’s predecessors three decades ago.
By any normal standards, the powerplant suffers from major turbo lag. No surprise, because it delivers similar power to the twin-turbocharged Mercedes V-8 using just three-quarters the pistons and displacement. However, the Giulia knows that turbo response quickens with engine speed, so it plays a few tricks to keep its engine on the boil. First and most fabulous, the 505-hp Quadrifoglio’s first six gears are shorter than those in a 155-hp Mazda Miata. Read that sentence again, please.
The second trick is keeping the exhaust from the two banks of cylinders mostly separate, resulting in a V-6 that sounds more like two angry three-cylinder engines. The pitch doesn’t change much with engine speed, so what sounds to your ears like 3,000 rpm is more like 5,000 on the tach. The Quadrifoglio’s engine never screams like an Italian soprano, but all those relaxed revs mean you’ll never be yelling about its turbo lag.
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio engine
VIEW ALL 80 PHOTOS
In stop-and-go traffic, of course, you can catch the engine asleep. It’s here that you also notice the Giulia’s biggest flaw—it is impossible to come to a smooth, slow stop. To blame are two things: one, a by-wire braking system that’s not always linear in its response and two, a clutch that decouples the transmission right as the car is about to come to a full stop. Fiat-Chrysler says the by-wire system allows the brakes to react more quickly to inputs and cycle more quickly under ABS, but the Quadrifoglio’s braking distances were midpack despite its grippy tires. So we see no benefit from using the by-wire system.
What we do see is added complexity on an Italian car. That makes us nervous. We happily awarded the Giulia first place, experiencing no reliability issues at all with the two test cars we abused. Then, a few weeks later, a different Giulia died in traffic, leaving one of our senior staffers blocking the road until the flatbed arrived. And then yet another test car showed off its Italian heritage by stalling randomly during a photo shoot.
Apparently this Giulia might live up to Alfa’s love-it-but-don’t-trust-it reputation after all. Or it could just be early-build teething problems from an all-new platform. We still think it’s the best compact sport sedan you can buy, even if it winds up breaking your heart. Better to have loved and been towed home than to have never loved at all.
This is the written article! And with detailed stats laid out too.
As you can't be bothered to read it here is a cut and paste:
First Place: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
THE BEST ALL-ROUNDER
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio front three quarers
VIEW ALL 80 PHOTOS
To judge a brand-new car’s expected reliability by the reputation of a car produced 30 years ago is absurd, but bad reputations are tough to shake, especially one as well earned as Alfa Romeo’s. Alas every conversation we had about the Giulia Quadrifoglio included concerns of impending catastrophic breakdown. To our surprise, the Alfa showed no sign of weakness during this long, abusive test. Instead, it charmed us all and crippled the competition, claiming an easy victory.
Why so easy? The sheer breadth of its capabilities. The Giulia is a jack-of-all-trades and master of most. Whereas most cars do one thing well at the expense of everything else, the Giulia simply does everything well. For example, it rides so smoothly, is so quiet inside, and cruises down the highway with such relaxed confidence that we GPS-verified its speedometer to ensure it wasn’t optimistic by 15 mph.
But then, with the mode selector in Race mode, the Alfa forgets about luxury, transforming into a violent sports sedan with a bad boy attitude none of its three competitors can come close to matching. On track, the Alfa demonstrates athleticism nearing the Cadillac’s but manages an even quicker lap time. The Giulia’s torque-vectoring rear differential helps put every one of its 505 horsepower to good use. There’s no accidental tire smoke here. In fact, the Giulia doesn’t like to do powerslides; it just wants to be fast.
Speaking of fast, the Alfa’s steering uses an obscenely quick ratio, 11.8:1 with just 2.3 turns from lock to lock. The electrically assisted steering is as light as a Ferrari’s and almost as precise, giving its driver the impression that the Giulia is weightless. Aided by hyperaggressive 60-tread-wear Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires, cornering grip is yuge, which left us puzzled when the Alfa tied the BMW for the least skidpad grip of the group.
Ignore that number. In fact, ignore all numbers because whether driving in a straight line, in corners, or on a racetrack, the Alfa is incredible. Over broken, twisty tarmac, this sedan’s family lineage becomes clear. Ferrari’s former chief engineer Roberto Fedeli is now Alfa Romeo’s chief technical officer, and the Quadrifoglio’s dynamics bear his stamp. This five-seater possesses the same preternatural ability as the best recent Ferraris to follow your wishes no matter how absurd the request. It does things that seem impossible, feeling like it could change direction while airborne. It shrugs off jumps, bumps, surface changes, and camber swaps as if the laws of physics were rewritten especially for it. You know there must be electronic trickery happening, yet you feel none of it. And better, all of this capability is met with equal parts fun, and that’s something so often missing in very fast cars. The Giulia Quadrifoglio is the closest thing to a Ferrari sedan you can buy.
We haven’t even spoken of the engine yet. The 505-hp 2.9-liter V-6 is a masterpiece. It’s not just good for a V-6, like every other engine of this configuration, but genuinely, surprisingly, odds-defyingly epic. Then again, it should be, since it’s a Ferrari California T V-8 with the front two cylinders lopped off. The short-stroke, nonbalance-shafted six will rev 900 rpm past its 6,500-rpm tachometer redline, never making any of the cringeworthy mechanical noises that plague all other V-6s. This is, perhaps, the best V-6 since the famed Alfa Romeo “Busso” engine that powered the Giulia’s predecessors three decades ago.
By any normal standards, the powerplant suffers from major turbo lag. No surprise, because it delivers similar power to the twin-turbocharged Mercedes V-8 using just three-quarters the pistons and displacement. However, the Giulia knows that turbo response quickens with engine speed, so it plays a few tricks to keep its engine on the boil. First and most fabulous, the 505-hp Quadrifoglio’s first six gears are shorter than those in a 155-hp Mazda Miata. Read that sentence again, please.
The second trick is keeping the exhaust from the two banks of cylinders mostly separate, resulting in a V-6 that sounds more like two angry three-cylinder engines. The pitch doesn’t change much with engine speed, so what sounds to your ears like 3,000 rpm is more like 5,000 on the tach. The Quadrifoglio’s engine never screams like an Italian soprano, but all those relaxed revs mean you’ll never be yelling about its turbo lag.
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio engine
VIEW ALL 80 PHOTOS
In stop-and-go traffic, of course, you can catch the engine asleep. It’s here that you also notice the Giulia’s biggest flaw—it is impossible to come to a smooth, slow stop. To blame are two things: one, a by-wire braking system that’s not always linear in its response and two, a clutch that decouples the transmission right as the car is about to come to a full stop. Fiat-Chrysler says the by-wire system allows the brakes to react more quickly to inputs and cycle more quickly under ABS, but the Quadrifoglio’s braking distances were midpack despite its grippy tires. So we see no benefit from using the by-wire system.
What we do see is added complexity on an Italian car. That makes us nervous. We happily awarded the Giulia first place, experiencing no reliability issues at all with the two test cars we abused. Then, a few weeks later, a different Giulia died in traffic, leaving one of our senior staffers blocking the road until the flatbed arrived. And then yet another test car showed off its Italian heritage by stalling randomly during a photo shoot.
Apparently this Giulia might live up to Alfa’s love-it-but-don’t-trust-it reputation after all. Or it could just be early-build teething problems from an all-new platform. We still think it’s the best compact sport sedan you can buy, even if it winds up breaking your heart. Better to have loved and been towed home than to have never loved at all.
Edited by urquattroGus on Tuesday 28th February 10:08
Edited by urquattroGus on Tuesday 28th February 10:09
Edited by urquattroGus on Tuesday 28th February 10:21
urquattroGus said:
New Motortrend article released today to accompany the recent video, it's practically gushing about the Alfa!
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2...
I think I want one.http://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa-romeo/giulia/2...
sixspeed said:
Jesus said:
Didn't find the seats as comfy as the M3 - bolsters were a tad tight...
Strange, I found them comfier than the seats in an M4 I drove recently and certainly more supportive. The bolsters on the QF are adjustable (you can make them wider or more snug).
Forgot all about it when I got back to the dealer...
Mine has made the UK docks, and should be with the dealer by the weekend. Won't be able to pick up for a week but first run will be to Geneva (the long way) and back so will have a full report later this month.
As for deals, not sure there is that much out there, Alfa are trying to keep residuals high and put a halt to the epic depreciation issue (which I think is often blown out of proportion, look at M3s and C63s). And as said above Alfa have changed the way dealers are paid so there are smaller margins in the car for them therefore less movement.
I paid list (pre base hike) and options but got good trade in deal on 4C and £1k off as existing Alfa customer. But been offered between 0.8-2.4% APR - depending on 1 or 2 years (3.6 for 3), but deal I want is 30k down, nothing to pay for 2 years, no interest with remaining 30k payable on month 25. With 3 years servicing, 3 years warranty and Alfa desperate to make sure customers are looked after I think the car is a no brainer. But then I have a soft spot for Italian cars
As for deals, not sure there is that much out there, Alfa are trying to keep residuals high and put a halt to the epic depreciation issue (which I think is often blown out of proportion, look at M3s and C63s). And as said above Alfa have changed the way dealers are paid so there are smaller margins in the car for them therefore less movement.
I paid list (pre base hike) and options but got good trade in deal on 4C and £1k off as existing Alfa customer. But been offered between 0.8-2.4% APR - depending on 1 or 2 years (3.6 for 3), but deal I want is 30k down, nothing to pay for 2 years, no interest with remaining 30k payable on month 25. With 3 years servicing, 3 years warranty and Alfa desperate to make sure customers are looked after I think the car is a no brainer. But then I have a soft spot for Italian cars
Apparently it inherents another Ferrari feature (even the lower spec cars)...I picked this up from the Alfaowner forum.
Owners review"The gearbox is fantastic, i tried out @macgeeks's trick about holding the left paddle down when approaching a corner. It's great, keeps banging down the gears, making angry sounds while it's doing it. It's just as I'd imagine a Ferrari would behave. "
MacGeek (some kind of Alfa insider) "It will keep downshifting as long as you keep the paddle pulled, performing each downshift as soon as it becomes feasible. It's a control logic inherited by Ferrari (where it debuted on the 599XX, and for road cars on the 599 GTO). "
You chaps who have a QV are very lucky, it is the first sub 100k car in years that has got me buzzing/excited. Even more so than the original launch of the 4C!
Owners review"The gearbox is fantastic, i tried out @macgeeks's trick about holding the left paddle down when approaching a corner. It's great, keeps banging down the gears, making angry sounds while it's doing it. It's just as I'd imagine a Ferrari would behave. "
MacGeek (some kind of Alfa insider) "It will keep downshifting as long as you keep the paddle pulled, performing each downshift as soon as it becomes feasible. It's a control logic inherited by Ferrari (where it debuted on the 599XX, and for road cars on the 599 GTO). "
You chaps who have a QV are very lucky, it is the first sub 100k car in years that has got me buzzing/excited. Even more so than the original launch of the 4C!
Nero77 said:
Mine has made the UK docks, and should be with the dealer by the weekend. Won't be able to pick up for a week but first run will be to Geneva (the long way) and back so will have a full report later this month.
As for deals, not sure there is that much out there, Alfa are trying to keep residuals high and put a halt to the epic depreciation issue (which I think is often blown out of proportion, look at M3s and C63s). And as said above Alfa have changed the way dealers are paid so there are smaller margins in the car for them therefore less movement.
I paid list (pre base hike) and options but got good trade in deal on 4C and £1k off as existing Alfa customer. But been offered between 0.8-2.4% APR - depending on 1 or 2 years (3.6 for 3), but deal I want is 30k down, nothing to pay for 2 years, no interest with remaining 30k payable on month 25. With 3 years servicing, 3 years warranty and Alfa desperate to make sure customers are looked after I think the car is a no brainer. But then I have a soft spot for Italian cars
Ordered mine last week. List 64,425 inc options, all-in cost to purchase over 3yrs finance 58,657. I will do less than 6k miles pa however, so very likely my residual makes the final payment worthwhile. Finance was significantly cheaper all in than cash purchase and includes the servicing etc. As for deals, not sure there is that much out there, Alfa are trying to keep residuals high and put a halt to the epic depreciation issue (which I think is often blown out of proportion, look at M3s and C63s). And as said above Alfa have changed the way dealers are paid so there are smaller margins in the car for them therefore less movement.
I paid list (pre base hike) and options but got good trade in deal on 4C and £1k off as existing Alfa customer. But been offered between 0.8-2.4% APR - depending on 1 or 2 years (3.6 for 3), but deal I want is 30k down, nothing to pay for 2 years, no interest with remaining 30k payable on month 25. With 3 years servicing, 3 years warranty and Alfa desperate to make sure customers are looked after I think the car is a no brainer. But then I have a soft spot for Italian cars
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