Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio... reliability

[windymissile]

I think a late 18 - early 19 plate car would be the sweet spot. All the theater still, and with Android/Apple auto and split rear seats.

[AntGlo8v]

Jay-44 said:

I was going to start a new thread but thought I'd ask on here first.


I've been toying on the idea of buying a Gulia QV since it launched and for whatever reason just didn't happen, Now looking for an Interesting family car I'm back on the lookout,

My main question Is can someone tell me If I should go for a facelift or pre facelift car and what reasons should a facelift be better / updates/ more reliable or just internet crap?


I don't mind either one in terms of 'looks alone' but I would be interested in buying the right one so If It means spending a little more for the facelift or If I can save some money If there isn't much benefit from the Facelift ones.



Thanks

Glad to hear you are giving the Alfa some consideration. I purchased a face-lift (2022) back in the spring of last year; what swung it for me was the improved interior, apple car play and the consensus that post-2019, the engine got port injection (reducing the likelihood of carbon build.)

There are plenty of horror stories out there on the Guilia and QV's specifically, but in the 9 months/15,000miles I have run mine, it has not missed a beat. The only slight concern I have had is a slight creak from what I imagine is a bush at the rear. I am going to take it to the dealer for them to look at, but I just haven't had a chance to do this yet.

It is used as a proper family wagon, with two carseats in the back and all the paraphernalia that comes with two young ones in the boot. I commute c.45 miles each way, consisting of a motorway leg of 30 miles and a 15-mile start stop nightmare into the centre of the city. I am not going to go on about the well-documented merits of the car, but it truly is a Jekyll and Hyde machine. The Guilia does it all perfectly; it can be a civilised commuter/schoolrunner, and then when you are in the mood, it can be a complete B road monster.

Hope this is of some help

[WeeGreen2a]

AntGlo8v said:

Jay-44 said:

I was going to start a new thread but thought I'd ask on here first.


I've been toying on the idea of buying a Gulia QV since it launched and for whatever reason just didn't happen, Now looking for an Interesting family car I'm back on the lookout,

My main question Is can someone tell me If I should go for a facelift or pre facelift car and what reasons should a facelift be better / updates/ more reliable or just internet crap?


I don't mind either one in terms of 'looks alone' but I would be interested in buying the right one so If It means spending a little more for the facelift or If I can save some money If there isn't much benefit from the Facelift ones.



Thanks

Glad to hear you are giving the Alfa some consideration. I purchased a face-lift (2022) back in the spring of last year; what swung it for me was the improved interior, apple car play and the consensus that post-2019, the engine got port injection (reducing the likelihood of carbon build.)

There are plenty of horror stories out there on the Guilia and QV's specifically, but in the 9 months/15,000miles I have run mine, it has not missed a beat. The only slight concern I have had is a slight creak from what I imagine is a bush at the rear. I am going to take it to the dealer for them to look at, but I just haven't had a chance to do this yet.

It is used as a proper family wagon, with two carseats in the back and all the paraphernalia that comes with two young ones in the boot. I commute c.45 miles each way, consisting of a motorway leg of 30 miles and a 15-mile start stop nightmare into the centre of the city. I am not going to go on about the well-documented merits of the car, but it truly is a Jekyll and Hyde machine. The Guilia does it all perfectly; it can be a civilised commuter/schoolrunner, and then when you are in the mood, it can be a complete B road monster.

Hope this is of some help

Ironically, the day after I posted this, the car had a problem; maybe I jinxed it. We had a small fall of snow on Tuesday; while trying to get out of our drive, the Alfa spun its wheels a lot and didn't move all that much. On my 4th attempt at getting out, the dash lit up with every warning, (TCS, ABS, Blind Spot Monitoring, Differential Warning, Eng Man. ect etc .........) So I have abandoned the car, and I am away for the next two nights. Hopefully, some quiet time on her own will give her a chance to calm down.

I have heard of owners who had issues after having some tail-out fun in these, and the consensus was that the diff overheats and causes the car to go into a limp home. Don't think it could have been this as it was -5, and it wasn't like I was putting the full 600nm through the diff.

I suspect the strange readings coming from the sensors while the car was sliding around may have just confused it, she is Italian after all, and is probably not used to the inclement conditions we have here. Will update when I get home.

[theplayingmantis]

could be battery related in the cold.

[b8575]

Anyone have an idea why this went so cheap (comparatively) https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2018-alfa-rome... looked pretty decent

[OliilO]

b8575 said:

Anyone have an idea why this went so cheap (comparatively) https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2018-alfa-rome... looked pretty decent

The questions to the seller showed that it hadn't had the major 4th year service. So in addition to not being looked after you'd be looking at £1200 to do that immediately. I suspect at that mileage and from the photos it would also need pads and discs shortly which would be another £2000. Set of tyres is another £1k if it needs them. Plus, non standard colour wheels probably put some people off.

By the time you've paid the buyer's fee and done those bits, you might as well buy one with a full history.

Edited by OliilO on Sunday 28th January 17:26

[b8575]

OliilO said:

The questions to the seller showed that it hadn't had the major 4th year service. So in addition to not being looked after you'd be looking at £1200 to do that immediately. I suspect at that mileage and from the photos it would also need pads and discs shortly which would be another £2000. Set of tyres is another £1k if it needs them. Plus, non standard colour wheels probably put some people off.

By the time you've paid the buyer's fee and done those bits, you might as well buy one with a full history.

Makes sense about the colour and wheels, but I thought they mentioned the service was included in the service pack. Seems like it was a good buy for someone and, even after doing the remedial work, is a chunk cheaper than some available on AT etc.

However, as you say, they might be better looked after.

[OliilO]

b8575 said:

Makes sense about the colour and wheels, but I thought they mentioned the service was included in the service pack. Seems like it was a good buy for someone and, even after doing the remedial work, is a chunk cheaper than some available on AT etc.

However, as you say, they might be better looked after.

Yes, a good price and possibly a bargain for someone going in with their eyes open.

[norchi]

Asking prices, private sale and trade alike, indicate a hoped for sale price for a used one of these cars.... none of us know what, if any, of these cars have been sold anywhere near the asking prices. This auction sale transaction price however is in the public domain.

I bought a new QF in 2017, purchased the 4th and 5th year extended warranty and full inclusive service deal for 5 years at the bargain price of £1400. Attempted to sell it privately at 5 years and 10,000 miles without even a nibble at what I thought was a reasonable price of £43000 here on PH.... no interest whatsoever. I got £41,000 from 'webuyanycar' in sept. '22. If I check on 'webuyanycar' which still gives a current trade value at a price now adjusted by me to14,000 miles they offer £28750.... a whopping drop in 15months...

If you have an interest in a used QF and have the reg.no and mileage anyone can enter it on the 'webuyanycar' website and get their 'trade' offer.... quite a sobering experience in respect of the current traders' and private sellers' asking prices. Greedy chancers or just plain hopefull but open to substantial discounts.....

[MissChief]

norchi said:

Asking prices, private sale and trade alike, indicate a hoped for sale price for a used one of these cars.... none of us know what, if any, of these cars have been sold anywhere near the asking prices. This auction sale transaction price however is in the public domain.

I bought a new QF in 2017, purchased the 4th and 5th year extended warranty and full inclusive service deal for 5 years at the bargain price of £1400. Attempted to sell it privately at 5 years and 10,000 miles without even a nibble at what I thought was a reasonable price of £43000 here on PH.... no interest whatsoever. I got £41,000 from 'webuyanycar' in sept. '22. If I check on 'webuyanycar' which still gives a current trade value at a price now adjusted by me to14,000 miles they offer £28750.... a whopping drop in 15months...

If you have an interest in a used QF and have the reg.no and mileage anyone can enter it on the 'webuyanycar' website and get their 'trade' offer.... quite a sobering experience in respect of the current traders' and private sellers' asking prices. Greedy chancers or just plain hopefull but open to substantial discounts.....

Such is the way at the moment. Pretty much anything high end and performance is absolutely tanking in value as demand is tanking too. These types of cars are usually bought on Finance or with a loan. Since mid 2021 when interest rates started to rise loan and finance rates offered to even the best credit scores have climbed and climbed. Anything under 10%APR now is a rarity. There's just no demand for anything remotely premium or prestige that's not in the realms of the properly rich who will be able to pay for such vehicles without taking out a loan or finance.

[WeeGreen2a]

WeeGreen2a said:

Ironically, the day after I posted this, the car had a problem; maybe I jinxed it. We had a small fall of snow on Tuesday; while trying to get out of our drive, the Alfa spun its wheels a lot and didn't move all that much. On my 4th attempt at getting out, the dash lit up with every warning, (TCS, ABS, Blind Spot Monitoring, Differential Warning, Eng Man. ect etc .........) So I have abandoned the car, and I am away for the next two nights. Hopefully, some quiet time on her own will give her a chance to calm down.

I have heard of owners who had issues after having some tail-out fun in these, and the consensus was that the diff overheats and causes the car to go into a limp home. Don't think it could have been this as it was -5, and it wasn't like I was putting the full 600nm through the diff.

I suspect the strange readings coming from the sensors while the car was sliding around may have just confused it, she is Italian after all, and is probably not used to the inclement conditions we have here. Will update when I get home.

By way of an update on this, I came back to the car after a few days, and all the lights, other than the engine management were off. Scanned the codes and it came back with a wheel speed sensor fault. Reset this, the light went out and has been running bob on all week.

[The Chemist]

Talking about auctions.

This was a stolen recovered that sold for £18110 minus fees. I saw it listed for £10k more last night on AT which apparently sold this morning

https://auctions.synetiq.co.uk/auction/items/detai...

The collecting car quad also seems to be back on sale this week

[Matty_]

windymissile said:

I think a late 18 - early 19 plate car would be the sweet spot. All the theater still, and with Android/Apple auto and split rear seats.

Yeah I've been looking at the 2019 v 2020. Seems to be more benefit to the 2020 in terms of overall trim, the only real downside being the lack of carbon roof...but...no sure that's a massive dealbreaker.

The 2019, options wise, looks like the only things (other than colour variations for car/rim/calipers) are Akra Exhaust, HK Audio, Carbon Seats, and some stick on Carbon?

The 2020 has more options - all the above, plus Carbon roof (as no longer standard), Rear Heated Seats, "Driver Assistance Pack"

[X27]

AntGlo8v said:

Glad to hear you are giving the Alfa some consideration. I purchased a face-lift (2022) back in the spring of last year; what swung it for me was the improved interior, apple car play and the consensus that post-2019, the engine got port injection (reducing the likelihood of carbon build.)

There are plenty of horror stories out there on the Guilia and QV's specifically, but in the 9 months/15,000miles I have run mine, it has not missed a beat. The only slight concern I have had is a slight creak from what I imagine is a bush at the rear. I am going to take it to the dealer for them to look at, but I just haven't had a chance to do this yet.

It is used as a proper family wagon, with two carseats in the back and all the paraphernalia that comes with two young ones in the boot. I commute c.45 miles each way, consisting of a motorway leg of 30 miles and a 15-mile start stop nightmare into the centre of the city. I am not going to go on about the well-documented merits of the car, but it truly is a Jekyll and Hyde machine. The Guilia does it all perfectly; it can be a civilised commuter/schoolrunner, and then when you are in the mood, it can be a complete B road monster.

Hope this is of some help

Radiator mounts - having mine changed now. Sounds likes shocks or bushings, but I'd say it's this with 95% certainty. Alfa changed the part no as well, so don't accept them lubricating the current mounts, you want the new ones.

[The Chemist]

OliilO said:

The questions to the seller showed that it hadn't had the major 4th year service. So in addition to not being looked after you'd be looking at £1200 to do that immediately. I suspect at that mileage and from the photos it would also need pads and discs shortly which would be another £2000. Set of tyres is another £1k if it needs them. Plus, non standard colour wheels probably put some people off.

By the time you've paid the buyer's fee and done those bits, you might as well buy one with a full history.

Edited by OliilO on Sunday 28th January 17:26

So I've just seen this car. Apparently the 4th service has been done - the seller just found this out last week apparently and has now hiked up the price to 34995 on AT.

[ITP]

Matty_ said:

windymissile said:

I think a late 18 - early 19 plate car would be the sweet spot. All the theater still, and with Android/Apple auto and split rear seats.

Yeah I've been looking at the 2019 v 2020. Seems to be more benefit to the 2020 in terms of overall trim, the only real downside being the lack of carbon roof...but...no sure that's a massive dealbreaker.

The 2019, options wise, looks like the only things (other than colour variations for car/rim/calipers) are Akra Exhaust, HK Audio, Carbon Seats, and some stick on Carbon?

The 2020 has more options - all the above, plus Carbon roof (as no longer standard), Rear Heated Seats, "Driver Assistance Pack"

There are changes under the skin suspension wise from 2019 to 2020 model too. Sure, the interior is a bit more premium, glass this thicker apparently too for more refinement, but there were changes to the suspension to do with the latest ‘assist’ systems being added, plus, I believe changes to reduce the ‘Ackerman’ effect of skipping wheels on lock at low speed.
Some people have said these changes reduced the responsiveness and feel of the original (pre 2020 model) cars. Still better than the competition, but not as pure as the originals. Therefore, maybe the late 2018 until the 2020 model cars which have the direct and port injection, but also the original set up may be the sweet spot, unless you prefer the nicer interior. There are no bad ones though!

[chinnyman]

If I was to purchase a 2017 car. Can you purchase a warranty for it?

They have just started to creep closer to 30k.
So my initial thoughts of a C63 are being swayed by the Alfa

[Square Leg]

You should be able to.
Give Research Garage in Nuneaton a call - by far the best and most helpful dealer around.