Rant: Is the Brera a joke?

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richb

51,619 posts

285 months

Thursday 13th July 2006
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Come on, that was just an excuse to post some pictures of your GTV

_Batty_

12,268 posts

251 months

Thursday 13th July 2006
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richb said:
Come on, that was just an excuse to post some pictures of your GTV

damn



pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Thursday 13th July 2006
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Well, purely for the purposes of front-end comparison you understand...

jamieboy

5,911 posts

230 months

Thursday 13th July 2006
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pdV6 said:

Well, purely for the purposes of front-end comparison you understand...
Call that a front end? This is a front end:


And the moral is - don't criticise the Brera for what it is, just be thankful for what it's not.

pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Thursday 13th July 2006
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jamieboy said:
This is a front end

richb

51,619 posts

285 months

Thursday 13th July 2006
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They'd been watching too much "Casper the Friendly Ghost" I reckon

[quote=jamieboy]

jwyatt

570 posts

222 months

Friday 14th July 2006
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For me the V6 brera and 159 weight/performance is a real disappointment and sufficient for me not to really desire the cars, whatever the looks are like. I don't really care for 0-60 times, 30-70 through the gears and 0-100 are more important to me. There, my first 156 (2.5 saloon) managed 6.7 and 18.6, both well ahead of the 3.2 Brera and 159. My 156GTA canes them both with 5.5 and 15, and looks/sounds better. I feel no incentive to change. I have played with 159 and Brera and like the Brera's looks in the flesh, the new interiors are nice, but I feel a 156/147 GTA, GT 3.2, and GTV V6 are all more desirable than either of the new cars, and all offer vastly better performance per £.

4WD

2,289 posts

232 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Who cares if there's a GTA version coming. It weighs more than an XJ Jag now (1750kg in Autocar real life test)! Put a heavy V6 in there and it'll sink to the centre of the Earth. It'll need 400bhp to reach 60 in 6. Possibly the most thirsty, yet slow car ever to arrive since some 1970's brown rolls royce, with a boot full of slippers.

4WD

2,289 posts

232 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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P.S

The latest GTV looks like the girls in Aphex Twin's window licker. Shocking mess they've made of it! Our original gunmetal GTV minus the halfords crap was by far and away the best looker of all. What are they doing?...

jamieboy

5,911 posts

230 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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4WD said:
Who cares if there's a GTA version coming. It weighs more than an XJ Jag now (1750kg in Autocar real life test)! Put a heavy V6 in there and it'll sink to the centre of the Earth.

The one Autocar weighed at 1765kg was the V6, though. Or are you suggesting they add another V6? If so, I like your thinking.

FWIW (which I'd say is not much) Autocar also figured the V6 at 18.8 for 0-100 - so I personally wouldn't say that the 156 V6 is 'well ahead' if the 18.6 figure quoted above is correct. From 0-100, 0.2 of a second difference is about the same as having eaten a large meal before driving.

4WD

2,289 posts

232 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Another V6 is clearly required to move it!

havoc

30,091 posts

236 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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jamieboy said:
FWIW (which I'd say is not much) Autocar also figured the V6 at 18.8 for 0-100

So 265bhp and 4wd is enough to...ooh, fail to beat the original Impreza Turbo 0-100 time 10 years ago!!! My old 187bhp 'teg was quicker than that, FFS (to 60 AND the ton!)

What price progress???

pwig

11,956 posts

271 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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My Rover coupe was 4 seconds quicker to 100!!

jamieboy

5,911 posts

230 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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havoc said:
jamieboy said:
FWIW (which I'd say is not much) Autocar also figured the V6 at 18.8 for 0-100

So 265bhp and 4wd is enough to...ooh, fail to beat the original Impreza Turbo 0-100 time 10 years ago!!! My old 187bhp 'teg was quicker than that, FFS (to 60 AND the ton!)

What price progress???


So, grown-up coupe in 'slower than rally-replica and stripped out hot hatch' shock?

havoc

30,091 posts

236 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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jamieboy said:
havoc said:
jamieboy said:
FWIW (which I'd say is not much) Autocar also figured the V6 at 18.8 for 0-100

So 265bhp and 4wd is enough to...ooh, fail to beat the original Impreza Turbo 0-100 time 10 years ago!!! My old 187bhp 'teg was quicker than that, FFS (to 60 AND the ton!)

What price progress???


So, grown-up coupe in 'slower than rally-replica and stripped out hot hatch' shock?

Grown up coupe slower than much older cars with much less power...and the Scoob I picked because of 4wd powertrain losses (Go look at an R32 for an alternative - 16.3s from 237bhp). I could also have picked the Prelude 2.2VTi...0-100 there I believe is same ball park (17.x or 18.x), from 197bhp.


(Oh, FYI, the stats for the V6 Brera are virtually identical to the Celica T-Sport (7.3 and 18.6))

jamieboy

5,911 posts

230 months

Monday 17th July 2006
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Fair enough, then.

Alfa has replaced the good but aging GTV with the Brera.

According to Alfa's figures, the 3.2 Brera is pretty much as fast as the 3.0 GTV, which I always find fast enough. There are faster cars available.

The Brera is safer, is more refined, is more practical (still rubbish back seats, but you can at least get a suit carrier in the boot now) and is more modern looking than the GTV.

To get back to the original post, if the Brera is a joke, then I get it.

pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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jamieboy said:

The Brera is safer, is more refined, is more practical (still rubbish back seats, but you can at least get a suit carrier in the boot now) and is more modern looking than the GTV.

To get back to the original post, if the Brera is a joke, then I get it.

Furry muff.

Where does that leave the GT, then? It already ticks all of those boxes...

havoc

30,091 posts

236 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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jamieboy said:
To get back to the original post, if the Brera is a joke, then I get it.
Compared to the competition, sad to say I think it is. It'll be competing directly against the new TT, the ubiquitous BMW 325/330Ci Coupe and convertible, and the 350Z. To name but the obvious 3 - there are others.

But each to their own. I've always loved the sound of Alfas, occasionally their looks, but never the dealers or the build quality...so i've never bought one.

jamieboy

5,911 posts

230 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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pdV6 said:
Where does that leave the GT, then? It already ticks all of those boxes...


Fair point. Comparing the V6s, the GT is almost £4000 cheaper, much the same performance, and is more practical as it actually has proper rear seats. So I guess if you can't afford a Brera, or if you need to carry full-size passengers, then the GT would be a good choice. I suppose the downside is that the GT is a much older platform, and arguably not as nice to look at or sit in.

Is it necessarily a bad thing for Alfa to give customers a choice of two coupes, each with a slightly different focus and in slightly different price brackets?


pwig

11,956 posts

271 months

Tuesday 18th July 2006
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The Brera has helped sales of the GT. Cos people come in and look at the breras rear seats think 'I couldn't fit a far in there' then look at the GT instead.