RE: New Maser-based Alfa brews
Discussion
john_r said:
Wombat Rick said:
john_r said:
Unfortunately summed up by: 3.0 sportronic auto (2006) fully loaded 9,700 miles £14,500 (on Pistonheads)
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Yes, but at least that brave soul has been prepared to spend for their pleasure, while most people admire from afar and then buy something dull.
If you look it up, you'll see it's being sold by a finance company - likely that the 'brave soul' had finance on a £30k car and then realised that it was cheaper to drop the keys off than pay to the end... Can you imagine paying out £300-£400 a month on finance and then realising the car has depreciated by over £1,000 a month in the first 11 months!
Probably somewhere around £2 per mile running cost if I'm being generous and ignoring servicing, fuel and tax...
And I thought my M5 was expensive at my current monumental average 12MPG (note to self: must buy less heavy shoes...)
Edited by john_r on Wednesday 22 November 16:39
M5's are dropping quicker than Quattroportes at the moment, infact you'd be hard pressed to find a decent QP for less than 60K. Meanwhile, my local BMW dealer has an M5 with around 5000miles for just over 50k! Now thats be £4 per mile(not including the dealer bid/offer spread on the previous owner).
As for the autocar story, the only credible stories they produce are copied from forums like these eg rennteam and printed 1 month after everybody knew anyway.
Edited by sjn2004 on Wednesday 22 November 20:02
beasto said:
Aaah... this brings back memories of my Alfasud Sprint.
Aaahhh, sweet memories... The Sprint...
My grandma (!) had an orange 1,5. What a great looking car with it's stainless steel bumpers. The rest of the car rusted like crazy, but still I loved it. The first car I drove on a very regular basis...
FestivAli said:
Who cares what it'll depreciate like? It'll look like sex, sound lovely and you'll only regret selling it anyway. Depreciation is irrelevant if you plan on keeping all your cars like I do.
A pointless comment I know, but being an Alfa it'll always be desirable to someone.
Ali.
A pointless comment I know, but being an Alfa it'll always be desirable to someone.
Ali.
At last!!
Someone sees my point!!
Cheers Ali.
sjn2004 said:
john_r said:
Wombat Rick said:
john_r said:
Unfortunately summed up by: 3.0 sportronic auto (2006) fully loaded 9,700 miles £14,500 (on Pistonheads)
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Yes, but at least that brave soul has been prepared to spend for their pleasure, while most people admire from afar and then buy something dull.
If you look it up, you'll see it's being sold by a finance company - likely that the 'brave soul' had finance on a £30k car and then realised that it was cheaper to drop the keys off than pay to the end... Can you imagine paying out £300-£400 a month on finance and then realising the car has depreciated by over £1,000 a month in the first 11 months!
Probably somewhere around £2 per mile running cost if I'm being generous and ignoring servicing, fuel and tax...
And I thought my M5 was expensive at my current monumental average 12MPG (note to self: must buy less heavy shoes...)
Edited by john_r on Wednesday 22 November 16:39
M5's are dropping quicker than Quattroportes at the moment, infact you'd be hard pressed to find a decent QP for less than 60K. Meanwhile, my local BMW dealer has an M5 with around 5000miles for just over 50k! Now thats be £4 per mile(not including the dealer bid/offer spread on the previous owner).
As for the autocar story, the only credible stories they produce are copied from forums like these eg rennteam and printed 1 month after everybody knew anyway.
Edited by sjn2004 on Wednesday 22 November 20:02
Sorry, I didn't realise this was a discussion about Quattroporte? Thought the thread was about a new Alfa? And if you had the decency to read my original post rather than the cut and quoted one above you'd have seen that I'm a big fan of Alfa's?! And to further alleviate your ignorance: the early '05 M5's that were imported by 'specialist non-BMW dealers' are selling for around the £52k mark but will have no Euro warranty left. Still: only approx 20% depreciation in 2 years! Although having just looked on BMW.co.uk the cheapest M5 E60 is £54,990 for an early '05 (there was one listed cheaper at £53k but it was VAT qualifying), so that one has depreciated approx 13% in 18 months and done over 10k miles... Be interested to know where you saw a 5,000 mile E60 M5 for £50k? Almost worth buying it and sell on privately for a quick profit!
Out of interest Egham called me last week (I was a potential customer) as they are selling their Quattroporte demo: practically all extras; 3 months old; list price of circa £90k with options; 500 miles on the odo. They'll take an offer of £75k on it... I'll leave you to work out the percentages on that one for a 3 month old car!
I see from your previous posts (example: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic. ) that you take every opportunity to knock BMW's and their owners? You describe i-Drive as "DREADED"; have you ever lived with it day to day or even used it? Or are you just reacting to the 'credible' motoring press...
Anyway, I look forward to hearing where a 5,000 mile E60 M5 can be purchased for £50k? The cheapest, and I repeat: cheapest, I could see on Trader or BMW had 38,000 miles, was an ex press-car and was £52k...
"Quiet ignorance is bliss, noisy ignorants are annoying..." Edited by john_r on Thursday 23 November 17:00
Great idea...except...
I thought of it years ago (when the old Quattroporte/228/Biturbo could have been in effect de-turbo'd into d- or e-segment Alfa saloons or coupes. Properly re-branded, of course.
They've only just realised the 159 should be built on a proper d-segment platform & not a c-segment hatch with a boot.
The lack of any business acumen of these Italians amazes me. It makes the Rover lot look 1/2 sensible.
No, that was an exaggeration; I apologise.
I thought of it years ago (when the old Quattroporte/228/Biturbo could have been in effect de-turbo'd into d- or e-segment Alfa saloons or coupes. Properly re-branded, of course.
They've only just realised the 159 should be built on a proper d-segment platform & not a c-segment hatch with a boot.
The lack of any business acumen of these Italians amazes me. It makes the Rover lot look 1/2 sensible.
No, that was an exaggeration; I apologise.
john_r said:
sjn2004 said:
john_r said:
Wombat Rick said:
john_r said:
Unfortunately summed up by: 3.0 sportronic auto (2006) fully loaded 9,700 miles £14,500 (on Pistonheads)
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Yes, but at least that brave soul has been prepared to spend for their pleasure, while most people admire from afar and then buy something dull.
If you look it up, you'll see it's being sold by a finance company - likely that the 'brave soul' had finance on a £30k car and then realised that it was cheaper to drop the keys off than pay to the end... Can you imagine paying out £300-£400 a month on finance and then realising the car has depreciated by over £1,000 a month in the first 11 months!
Probably somewhere around £2 per mile running cost if I'm being generous and ignoring servicing, fuel and tax...
And I thought my M5 was expensive at my current monumental average 12MPG (note to self: must buy less heavy shoes...)
Edited by john_r on Wednesday 22 November 16:39
M5's are dropping quicker than Quattroportes at the moment, infact you'd be hard pressed to find a decent QP for less than 60K. Meanwhile, my local BMW dealer has an M5 with around 5000miles for just over 50k! Now thats be £4 per mile(not including the dealer bid/offer spread on the previous owner).
As for the autocar story, the only credible stories they produce are copied from forums like these eg rennteam and printed 1 month after everybody knew anyway.
Edited by sjn2004 on Wednesday 22 November 20:02
Sorry, I didn't realise this was a discussion about Quattroporte? Thought the thread was about a new Alfa? And if you had the decency to read my original post rather than the cut and quoted one above you'd have seen that I'm a big fan of Alfa's?! And to further alleviate your ignorance: the early '05 M5's that were imported by 'specialist non-BMW dealers' are selling for around the £52k mark but will have no Euro warranty left. Still: only approx 20% depreciation in 2 years! Although having just looked on BMW.co.uk the cheapest M5 E60 is £54,990 for an early '05 (there was one listed cheaper at £53k but it was VAT qualifying), so that one has depreciated approx 13% in 18 months and done over 10k miles... Be interested to know where you saw a 5,000 mile E60 M5 for £50k? Almost worth buying it and sell on privately for a quick profit!
Out of interest Egham called me last week (I was a potential customer) as they are selling their Quattroporte demo: practically all extras; 3 months old; list price of circa £90k with options; 500 miles on the odo. They'll take an offer of £75k on it... I'll leave you to work out the percentages on that one for a 3 month old car!
I see from your previous posts (example: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic. ) that you take every opportunity to knock BMW's and their owners? You describe i-Drive as "DREADED"; have you ever lived with it day to day or even used it? Or are you just reacting to the 'credible' motoring press...
Anyway, I look forward to hearing where a 5,000 mile E60 M5 can be purchased for £50k? The cheapest, and I repeat: cheapest, I could see on Trader or BMW had 38,000 miles, was an ex press-car and was £52k...
"Quiet ignorance is bliss, noisy ignorants are annoying..." Edited by john_r on Thursday 23 November 17:00
YAWN! (I reply in quase point form as I'm busy and haven't got 4 or 5 hours to study all of your past posts). Not EXACTLY sure why you have got so angry.
You made a point of stating that a 166 is so expensive to run at £2 per mile that it is easier to just throw the keys to a dealer. You then compared it to your M5 as though it was vastly superior in running costs.
I pointed out that M5's can cost £4 per mile, those cars at 52k at the dealers with have been bought for 45k max, with options an M5 is close to 70k unless its poverty spec(25k loss in 1 year). Not sure what you typed into autotrader but there are stacks of M5's for 52k or more(thats not before haggling). Same on BMW network. If you want a depreciation beast get a X5 4.8i or 750i (by the way, I guessed you missed my posts about 4.6 vs 4.8 in the BMW forum? Test drove an 4.8i two weeks back, 2004 , new 65k, now 35k (trade 28k?), so don't try to present me as a bigot. Yes the iDrive is dreadful, a touchscreen ie RR or Jaguar is far superior. Yes used an iDrive in a 730D,735i,530. If the knob worked like a computer mouse it would be a great step forward rather than rotating around the screen. The low mile car I mentioned was at Williams in Sepang Red?, it now appears to be sold.
Please find me a decent black QP for less than 60k. Even a 2004 /early car, bad colour, 30k+ miles is asking 50k. You are correct in one respect, there are not far from new Maserati's QP's at good prices but after that initial hit things move south slowly. eg 2006 low miles £65k, 2004 high miles 50K.
Here's a nice M5, low miles, 2005 model.
M5 Saloon
Price:
£52,450 (VAT Qualifying)
Mileage:
8,117
Transmission:
Manual
Fuel:
Petrol
Exterior colour:
Silver Grey
Interior:
Indianapolis Red Full Merino Leather
Date of registration:
April 2005
Registration:
RF05FGO
Dealer:
Stephen James Blackheath
Lee Terrace
London SE13 5DL
020 8318 6868
Edited by sjn2004 on Thursday 23 November 23:23
Edited by sjn2004 on Thursday 23 November 23:46
Edited by sjn2004 on Friday 24th November 08:11
john_r said:
Wombat Rick said:
john_r said:
Unfortunately summed up by: 3.0 sportronic auto (2006) fully loaded 9,700 miles £14,500 (on Pistonheads)
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Not sure what that would've been new but probably nudging £30k? Put another 20k miles on it and you'd be lucky to get £5k!!
Yes, but at least that brave soul has been prepared to spend for their pleasure, while most people admire from afar and then buy something dull.
If you look it up, you'll see it's being sold by a finance company - likely that the 'brave soul' had finance on a £30k car and then realised that it was cheaper to drop the keys off than pay to the end... Can you imagine paying out £300-£400 a month on finance and then realising the car has depreciated by over £1,000 a month in the first 11 months!
Probably somewhere around £2 per mile running cost if I'm being generous and ignoring servicing, fuel and tax...
And I thought my M5 was expensive at my current monumental average 12MPG (note to self: must buy less heavy shoes...)
Edited by john_r on Wednesday 22 November 16:39
Check the stocklist, www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?d=55, they also had a 997 turbo,360, 599 build spot, etc etc. Doesn't look like a repo outfit.
As for burning money, look at any typical PCP contract for a prestige car, you give them a big lump, pay £500 or so a month and after three years your just left with memories. The majority of people forget about how much they spent on options and the dealers bid/offer spread. On 50k second hand cars(with a good supply available), this is typically 8-10k.
Edited by sjn2004 on Friday 24th November 17:04
Wombat Rick said:
Can you two move to AccountantHeads.com please?
Most unreliable car I owned was a Peugeot, most depreciating car I owned was a VW, most fun car I owned was an Alfa.
So I did the math and chose an Alfa as my new car.
As I would in any price bracket.
Who cares what anybody else thinks?
If this four door will be anything like the 8C, the big boys will have a fight on their hands.
KUB3 said:
I have had the pleasure of riding behind two grey Quattroporte's so far. Each time I've been in awe. Stunning machines.
Do they even make raviolli still. Haven't seen that since '79.
Do they even make raviolli still. Haven't seen that since '79.
Apparently Porsche bought up all world stocks of Raviolli tins and used them to make the engine seals.
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