New Alfa Spider
Discussion
I've only had one near-breakdown having owned Alfa Romeos continuously for thirteen years, and I haven't even had many niggly problems. If you keep them maintained, then I think they're as good as pretty much any other marque.
As for depreciation, they have suffered badly in the past but the GT has been better, and according to this article Glass's guide predictions have the Brera in the top ten depreciation-beating cars, retaining 57% after three years.
As for depreciation, they have suffered badly in the past but the GT has been better, and according to this article Glass's guide predictions have the Brera in the top ten depreciation-beating cars, retaining 57% after three years.
Edited by jamieboy on Monday 26th February 22:10
euroboy said:
The new Spider weighs 1.7T so don't expect 'good' performance unless you opt for the V6.
Trivial point, but it's only the V6 that weighs 1.7 tons - the 2.2 4-cylinder 'only' weighs 1.5 tons, much of the extra weight presumably coming from the 4wd system. You're right that the V6 is a better performer, though. 
Not sure when/if the diesel is coming to the UK, and equally not sure if it would be right in the Spider, even though I think it might be the best of the engines in the Brera.
euroboy said:
The Brera has just been announced as one of the 10 slowest depreciating cars
I dont understand this, how do they work this stuff out. It's ended up being an unpopular car because it's not that good. I have been trying to sell mine for a few months now, the only offer i had was £21k, which was effectively a depreciation of 30% in 5 months.
I dont get it
[quote=stuartalfa]Nice pic of the new Spider, looks to be lowered a bit, i don't think the new Spider/Brera 159 are ment to be out & out Sports cars, just fast enough, we will have to wait for the new GTA's for proper speed.
Stu
(if fast enough is enough, then why bother having the 3.2...and the sub 20 mpg at all?)
no doubt about it, the Spider (and the 159) are the most beautiful cars in their classes.....but for the price, the V6 versions need to be quicker if they are to be competitive IMO
Stu
(if fast enough is enough, then why bother having the 3.2...and the sub 20 mpg at all?)
no doubt about it, the Spider (and the 159) are the most beautiful cars in their classes.....but for the price, the V6 versions need to be quicker if they are to be competitive IMO
oh ya fu#*er what an absolute belter.if i had the money i,d definately be bangin the door down at the nearest alfa dealer for a spider in red.actually the one in that photo would do perfect.as far as depreciation,m.p.g and even 0-60 goes i couldn't care less.when i got my gtv i could've chosen between loads of different cars,some said better cars but i didn't and still don't care what anybody else says or thinks.to me alfas are the best cars out there.to look outside and see an alfa on the drive makes me feel great and every time i'm drivin it i just love it.the depreciation,m.p.g. and 0-60 aren't important at all,i'm only here once so i'll enjoy it as long as i'm here.and pretty soon i'll have a sportwagon for work.so go on if you can afford it go for it.it'only money.
I don't think Alfa have really built the new Spider etc with any real competition in mind, if you want a beautiful looking, great car to drive there is only one choice,alfa.
Speed in the new range is not the very first thing Alfa drivers think of, other wise why would anyone buy a 1.6 156, it's because they love the car.
7 Sec in the new V6 Spider or 6? sec in the new TT, who really cares, i know what makes me happy.
Alfa do not have the money that Audi etc have to make a car, i am just happy they can make cars for people that really care about them.
From what i have read the new GTA's will be V8 so this should make you Alfa speed lovers happy.
I have a GTA 156, 6.3 sec to 60mph 155mph and one of the best sounds in the world but it is still slower than M3 EVO Scooby etc, do i care, do i feck.
Stu
Speed in the new range is not the very first thing Alfa drivers think of, other wise why would anyone buy a 1.6 156, it's because they love the car.
7 Sec in the new V6 Spider or 6? sec in the new TT, who really cares, i know what makes me happy.
Alfa do not have the money that Audi etc have to make a car, i am just happy they can make cars for people that really care about them.
From what i have read the new GTA's will be V8 so this should make you Alfa speed lovers happy.
I have a GTA 156, 6.3 sec to 60mph 155mph and one of the best sounds in the world but it is still slower than M3 EVO Scooby etc, do i care, do i feck.
Stu
alfaspiderman2 said:
However, having after a week with a 159 3.2, the performance really is not sufficient for a car of this class.
Fair enough, although from driving the Spider, I honestly think the performance is sufficient, bearing in mind that it's a grown-up convertible and not a sports car. The overall experience of the car is about much, much more than just the performance. For me, anyway. [quote=jamieboyFair enough, although from driving the Spider, I honestly think the performance is sufficient, bearing in mind that it's a grown-up convertible and not a sports car. [/quote]
Alfa's have always been sold as sports cars "Cuore Sportivo" being just one of the many slogans used. If they lose the sporting tag they become just another car manufacturer with average product. I'd also respectfully suggest that a 2 seat roadster in this class is hardly a grown up convertible. That tag would apply to a 3 series or A4 convertible. The Spyder is going up against the TT, Z4, SLK and base Boxster so it needs to be good and more than just a fashion accessory if the brand is not to become an irrelevance to enthusiasts. Both the Brera and Spyder have been compromised due to Alfa's overall declining revenues and the subsequent need for greater parts bin engineering. The Spyder is simply too heavy with distinctly average performance and Alfa know this. It's a pity that Kalbfell has gone as he seemed to be putting the company back on the right track and emulating the recipe for success that BMW used back in the 80's.
Alfa's have always been sold as sports cars "Cuore Sportivo" being just one of the many slogans used. If they lose the sporting tag they become just another car manufacturer with average product. I'd also respectfully suggest that a 2 seat roadster in this class is hardly a grown up convertible. That tag would apply to a 3 series or A4 convertible. The Spyder is going up against the TT, Z4, SLK and base Boxster so it needs to be good and more than just a fashion accessory if the brand is not to become an irrelevance to enthusiasts. Both the Brera and Spyder have been compromised due to Alfa's overall declining revenues and the subsequent need for greater parts bin engineering. The Spyder is simply too heavy with distinctly average performance and Alfa know this. It's a pity that Kalbfell has gone as he seemed to be putting the company back on the right track and emulating the recipe for success that BMW used back in the 80's.
isuk said:
Alfa's have always been sold as sports cars "Cuore Sportivo" being just one of the many slogans used. If they lose the sporting tag they become just another car manufacturer with average product. I'd also respectfully suggest that a 2 seat roadster in this class is hardly a grown up convertible.
I think they've always been sold as 'sporty' cars, not 'sports' cars, which is a big difference. I don't see the Spider (not Spyder) as a roadster at all - to me, an MX-5 is a roadster. If it's not fast enough for you, then fair enough, you'd be better buying something else. I think that as a package, it's a nice car. Other cars are faster, other cars are cheaper, other cars are whatever-er, but none of that detracts from what the Spider is.
They're just not 'driver's cars' though are they.
Whether they should be faster or not, it's an academic argument because they're fundamentally compromised in the most important area.
A BMW is dull & grey, but it's fast, reliable, well made & it drives well. They may be smaller boxes, but it does tick more of them than the new Alfas
Whether they should be faster or not, it's an academic argument because they're fundamentally compromised in the most important area.
A BMW is dull & grey, but it's fast, reliable, well made & it drives well. They may be smaller boxes, but it does tick more of them than the new Alfas
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