GTV - 2.0 vs 3.0 - Alfaholics please.

GTV - 2.0 vs 3.0 - Alfaholics please.

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phil1979

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3,554 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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I'm still looking to update the Cloverleaf, since August in fact, but still can't find a decent replacement. The 3 cars that I search for each day are:

* Volvo C70 2.4T
* Astra Bertone Coupe 2.2
* 2.0 GTV

As I'm now a house owner, I wanted to get away from the running costs of an Alfa, but I keep getting drawn back.

Anyhoo, completely ignoring my own advice, I am now looking at the 3.0 GTV. So I need your HONEST opinions please, against the 2.0, and the others listed above, taking in to account my new mortgage situation.

Compared to the 2.0, how wildly will MPG, insurance, servicing etc compare? I'm well familiar with the 2.0's belt/oil issues, so is the 3.0 a stronger lump all in all? And are GTVs actually strong in the first place? Will I be having more hassle than my 145 for example, which has actually been very reliable.

Basically, my brief is to have something a little different, very reliable, cheap'ish to run (i know i know), and fun. The Astra is the safest option, but the spec has to be right. The Volvo - I love the shape, and the engine is a cracker. And a bargain. But rare. Your thoughts?

Wombat Rick

13,407 posts

245 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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What I do know is that if you buy a 2 door Vauxhall saloon or an Ovlov you will always wish you'd bought an Alfa, so it will actually be cheaper in the long run to buy one first.

phil1979

Original Poster:

3,554 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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Wombat Rick said:
What I do know is that if you buy a 2 door Vauxhall saloon or an Ovlov you will always wish you'd bought an Alfa, so it will actually be cheaper in the long run to buy one first.



The Astra maybe, but I really like the Volvo. It won't be a fling'able as an Alfa, but the waft-value would be worth it. I see your point though. So, 2.0 vs 3.0?

pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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The 2.0 is a cracking little motor and the handling is arguably slightly better than the 3.0 due to less weight over the nose.

However, one test drive in a 3.0 and you'll forget all about the 2.0!

The 3.0 is pretty unburstable and needs less looking after than the 2.0.
The 2.0's suspension is more fragile as well.

Economy-wise, the 3.0 is pretty dire. You can get mid- to high-20's on the motorway depending on how light your right foot is but will struggle to better 18/19mpg around town.

See my blog for everything my 3.0's cost me over the past 6 years (excluding insurance and VED)

pooh

3,692 posts

254 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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3.0
The V6 has a very good reliability record, is smooth, free reving, powerful and sounds lovely.
From a cost point of view it will cost a bit more in fuel and insurance but there is little in it regarding servicing.
If you buy the 2.0 there is a good chance that you will find yourself wishing you had the V6.

Wombat Rick

13,407 posts

245 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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phil1979 said:
The Astra maybe, but I really like the Volvo. It won't be a fling'able as an Alfa, but the waft-value would be worth it. I see your point though. So, 2.0 vs 3.0?


You don't look old enough to be a wafter Phil, so you need to get a 3.0 GTV.
Factamundo.

timmy33

9,325 posts

228 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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pooh said:
3.0
The V6 has a very good reliability record, is smooth, free reving, powerful and sounds lovely.
From a cost point of view it will cost a bit more in fuel and insurance but there is little in it regarding servicing.
If you buy the 2.0 there is a good chance that you will find yourself wishing you had the V6.


yes

I'm already wishing I had gone for the V6.

I wonder if I could put a 3.0 V6 in my 2.0l?

phil1979

Original Poster:

3,554 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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Is having the belts changed on the V6 much more costly than on the already-painful 2.0? I think I had quite a bargain at £300 all-in on the 145.

Wombat Rick

13,407 posts

245 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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phil1979 said:
Is having the belts changed on the V6 much more costly than on the already-painful 2.0? I think I had quite a bargain at £300 all-in on the 145.


It is a bit more...
www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_romeo_timing_belts.shtml

You've got two less spark plugs to buy though!!

phil1979

Original Poster:

3,554 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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Wombat Rick said:
phil1979 said:
Is having the belts changed on the V6 much more costly than on the already-painful 2.0? I think I had quite a bargain at £300 all-in on the 145.


It is a bit more...
www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_romeo_timing_belts.shtml

You've got two less spark plugs to buy though!!


Not too bad then. It would be something I would have done immediately, regardless of when it was last done.

pdV6

16,442 posts

262 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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timmy33 said:

I wonder if I could put a 3.0 V6 in my 2.0l?

Got a feeling that the gearboxes are different and require the floorpan to be modified.

timmy33

9,325 posts

228 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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pdV6 said:
timmy33 said:

I wonder if I could put a 3.0 V6 in my 2.0l?

Got a feeling that the gearboxes are different and require the floorpan to be modified.


Blast.

The 3.0l must be awsome.

jonny manhattan

25 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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go for the 3.0.everything about it is great.i was £345 for the belt and tensioners work and £80 for an oil and filter change at c.p. garage but thats it done.as far as m.p.g. goes,we went from dundee to edinburgh and back(around 150/160 miles)and used £15 of petrol.£420 a year for insurance.i just took mine around to the chippy for my tea,a 2 minute journey and loved it.and i always look at it before i go into the house.i couldn't see me doing that with a volvo or anything else for that matter.and if you ever question buying it just lift the bonnet and look at those lovely chrome pipes.

_Batty_

12,268 posts

251 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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3.0 V6.

i need to see a fellow ph'er to comment on my exhaut note.
to say exotic is an understatment!!!!

MrFlibbles

7,692 posts

284 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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_Batty_ said:
3.0 V6.

i need to see a fellow ph'er to comment on my exhaut note.
to say exotic is an understatment!!!!


Coooee!

Awesome doesnt even begin to cover it - it sounds like a Ferrari on acid!

Might be a bit loud for some though....

(and it doesnt sound as good as my Rover either)

225

1,331 posts

227 months

Thursday 15th March 2007
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As soons as you hear a 3.0 fire up, burble and the drive off the deal is done.

DamienCBR

2,037 posts

224 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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i keep umming and arring over these as a second car. 156 for during the week! I would go for the 3.0L V6 without any hesitation, i know that i will not be doing many miles in it but you should not make a compromise, you will regret it if you dont buy one.

Best of luck
D

_Batty_

12,268 posts

251 months

Friday 16th March 2007
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1. reason to buy a v6.

crap vid does not do the noise justice

www.sportsalfa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13925

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

231 months

Saturday 17th March 2007
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Apparently the thing to do is get the 3.0 V6 and an Alfaholics full exhaust system for £1200 fitted.

They race alfas and use their GTV's as daily drivers and developed the exhaust to sound good but still be useable every day without annoying you too much...

I'm currently trying to decide between the Integra Type-R and a V6 GTV.

Seriously tough choice!!!

Kentish

15,169 posts

235 months

Monday 19th March 2007
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I was out in my 2.0TS Spider yesterday plodding along at about 65 and pulling up a long hill on a D/C sun shining, roof down and decided to go around the slower traffic and before I knew it the old speedo was reading 105 and I had to knock the old speed down again. I've found it a lot quicker than it feels.

The TS engine is not the fastest from a standing start but when you're rolling it is pretty nippy and the fuel economy is very good too.