164 Q4 Vs Delta integrale EVO
Discussion
negative creep said:
AntMat said:
What about a 155 Q4? There are the odd ones on eBay Italia - no rust/no salt and a lot cheaper than 'Grales!
A quick check of mine reveals they do rust
! Ok nothing terminal, but check around the rear arches I think what he means is the cars in Italy don't rust
I am of a different view. Integrales are fantastic cars. However a 164 Q4 is a very rare beast with better build quality and I would choose one over an Integrale. I have owned two 3 litre 164s and despite their size and being front wheel drive the are surprisingly nimble. They come with all the toys and a Q4 would be my choice.
julesv said:
I am of a different view. Integrales are fantastic cars. However a 164 Q4 is a very rare beast with better build quality and I would choose one over an Integrale. I have owned two 3 litre 164s and despite their size and being front wheel drive the are surprisingly nimble. They come with all the toys and a Q4 would be my choice.
But the 164 Q4 is all wheel drive! having had 164's in 2.0 Litre and Cloverleaf form I would suggest that the Q4 may still be a little less than brilliant dynamically as it is the V6. The V6 is still a pretty heavy unit and I can't see four wheel drive doing much to tame the overwhelming understeer compared to the Twin-Spark. I would consider the 155 Q4 as it had the four pot lump it should be better balanced. The Steyr-Puch 4WD system in the 164 is also going to be cripplingly expensive if it goes wrong. But both make a change from the Lancia which, great car though it is, is a little more obvious. If you want a fast 164 how's about...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEiXGeQIpf8
nice mid mounted V10 and good for 215mph should do the job and handle nicely too. Road legality may be touch and go I grant you.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEiXGeQIpf8
nice mid mounted V10 and good for 215mph should do the job and handle nicely too. Road legality may be touch and go I grant you.
Edited by rustybin on Tuesday 24th April 12:13
blacktopjunkie said:
Was it not a V10? or was that another incarnation of the 164?
Damn you're quick! I had just gone back and changed it after a quick throttle body count. I had thought that they used their V8 F1/sports car engine but no. I didn't know Alfa had ever done a 10 cylinder.
Pedantic to say the least 
My car knowledge is very much alfa, lancia and fiat based so I tend to pick up on things quick enough, I still can't recognise MBs?
I think you're point is very valid though I've had a hankering for a Delta since childhood and as a 166 driver I'm very attracted to the 164. Upset I missed the recent black cloverleaf on ebay.
I think I'm sold on the Delta, though it's twice the price. Better to nip it in the bud.
My car knowledge is very much alfa, lancia and fiat based so I tend to pick up on things quick enough, I still can't recognise MBs?
I think you're point is very valid though I've had a hankering for a Delta since childhood and as a 166 driver I'm very attracted to the 164. Upset I missed the recent black cloverleaf on ebay.
I think I'm sold on the Delta, though it's twice the price. Better to nip it in the bud.
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