Which is the best Type R?
Discussion
like f1 cars for the road but with zero torque. so when some1 tries it on uve been done unless ur in the right gear or wanna watse a second or 2 changing. good if ur in the right gear tho. driving in 5th or 6th on the motorway and u might as well be in a 1.4 astra. they do sound good and go well when u thrash em tho just no flexibility at all.
vino 187 said:
like f1 cars for the road but with zero torque. so when some1 tries it on uve been done unless ur in the right gear or wanna watse a second or 2 changing. good if ur in the right gear tho. driving in 5th or 6th on the motorway and u might as well be in a 1.4 astra. they do sound good and go well when u thrash em tho just no flexibility at all.
I thought half term ended a couple of weeks ago?vino 187 said:
like f1 cars for the road but with zero torque. so when some1 tries it on uve been done unless ur in the right gear or wanna watse a second or 2 changing. good if ur in the right gear tho. driving in 5th or 6th on the motorway and u might as well be in a 1.4 astra. they do sound good and go well when u thrash em tho just no flexibility at all.
From someone who obviously has no understanding about cars and has never driven one. I bet his dad drives a TDI and tells him this rubbish and he is foolish enough to believe it.
vino 187 said:
like f1 cars for the road but with zero torque. so when some1 tries it on uve been done unless ur in the right gear or wanna watse a second or 2 changing. good if ur in the right gear tho. driving in 5th or 6th on the motorway and u might as well be in a 1.4 astra. they do sound good and go well when u thrash em tho just no flexibility at all.
How long does it take you to change gear 0_o i dont know of anyone who drives at 5k revs everywhere just incase someone 'tries it on' it takes a tiny amount of time to drop a cog and floor itvino 187 said:
like f1 cars for the road but with zero torque. so when some1 tries it on uve been done unless ur in the right gear or wanna watse a second or 2 changing. good if ur in the right gear tho. driving in 5th or 6th on the motorway and u might as well be in a 1.4 astra. they do sound good and go well when u thrash em tho just no flexibility at all.
Sorry Timmy, but you're misquoting jeremy clarkson there (well it's not your own opinion) He said that of the Evo-IIX FQ400.I got my EP3 civic in the 2nd half of last year, and I really like it.
Everyone talks about how the EP3 is inferior to the DC2 integra, which as I haven't even sat in an integra I cannot argue about fairly. Though I can imagine that the integra would be the 'better' type R.
I think the problem with this argument is that people seem to assume that the civic was built to compete with the integra where it's real opposition was the likes of the clio 172/182. It's been said that it failed against these as well, but I found that to be more about practicality.
Say what you want about the handling of the clio, I believe you. It's just that I can fit in a civic!
Everyone talks about how the EP3 is inferior to the DC2 integra, which as I haven't even sat in an integra I cannot argue about fairly. Though I can imagine that the integra would be the 'better' type R.
I think the problem with this argument is that people seem to assume that the civic was built to compete with the integra where it's real opposition was the likes of the clio 172/182. It's been said that it failed against these as well, but I found that to be more about practicality.
Say what you want about the handling of the clio, I believe you. It's just that I can fit in a civic!
Ian974 said:
I think the problem with this argument is that people seem to assume that the civic was built to compete with the integra where it's real opposition was the likes of the clio 172/182.
Very true. Honda did the right thing from a sales/money-making perspective, and got their target market just right with the CTR....it's just that, now both are comfortably in the 2nd-hand market, enthusiasts ARE going to compare them. Both may wear the same badge, but the design/engineering teams were given subtly different remits for each car...
vino 187 said:
like f1 cars for the road but with zero torque. so when some1 tries it on uve been done unless ur in the right gear or wanna watse a second or 2 changing. good if ur in the right gear tho. driving in 5th or 6th on the motorway and u might as well be in a 1.4 astra. they do sound good and go well when u thrash em tho just no flexibility at all.
come back when you've actually driven one rather than read hearsay on forums. _Lee_ said:
Just to clarify, I don't own a CTR and have driven various DC2's & 5's. The most fun? A DC5 with a supercharger.
I am not at all surprised by the previous posts as I know what I have said goes against the general consensus on this forum and to top it all I don't like MX5's either!
I think this pretty much sums up why you're disagreeing with most people on here - you seem more interested in straight-line speed than the subjective feel, balance and response of a car on/near the limits. If you don't 'get' that then I can see why you may not appreciate the advantages of the DC2 over the CTR.I am not at all surprised by the previous posts as I know what I have said goes against the general consensus on this forum and to top it all I don't like MX5's either!
Personally I haven't driven either so can't really comment, the last Honda I drove was a 2.2 Accord which was so dull and vague that my Legacy wagon felt like a sportscar afterwards. Reading this thread has helped pass some time though
GravelBen said:
_Lee_ said:
Just to clarify, I don't own a CTR and have driven various DC2's & 5's. The most fun? A DC5 with a supercharger.
I am not at all surprised by the previous posts as I know what I have said goes against the general consensus on this forum and to top it all I don't like MX5's either!
I think this pretty much sums up why you're disagreeing with most people on here - you seem more interested in straight-line speed than the subjective feel, balance and response of a car on/near the limits. If you don't 'get' that then I can see why you may not appreciate the advantages of the DC2 over the CTR.I am not at all surprised by the previous posts as I know what I have said goes against the general consensus on this forum and to top it all I don't like MX5's either!
Do you not suppose I would have just bought a turbo charged vag product or the like if that was the case?
It's easy to all jump on the band wagon when evo is trying to present the car as iconic but if you have driven both cars back to back on british roads, you will see the point I was trying to make and that is, there is not a huge amount of difference in the driving experience.
_Lee_ said:
GravelBen said:
_Lee_ said:
Just to clarify, I don't own a CTR and have driven various DC2's & 5's. The most fun? A DC5 with a supercharger.
I am not at all surprised by the previous posts as I know what I have said goes against the general consensus on this forum and to top it all I don't like MX5's either!
I think this pretty much sums up why you're disagreeing with most people on here - you seem more interested in straight-line speed than the subjective feel, balance and response of a car on/near the limits. If you don't 'get' that then I can see why you may not appreciate the advantages of the DC2 over the CTR.I am not at all surprised by the previous posts as I know what I have said goes against the general consensus on this forum and to top it all I don't like MX5's either!
Do you not suppose I would have just bought a turbo charged vag product or the like if that was the case?
It's easy to all jump on the band wagon when evo is trying to present the car as iconic but if you have driven both cars back to back on british roads, you will see the point I was trying to make and that is, there is not a huge amount of difference in the driving experience.
I read your point but everyone else on here who's driven both would appear to disagree with you, I'll make up my own mind on them if/when I happen to drive them myself.
Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 23 April 03:25
GravelBen said:
I read your point but everyone else on here who's driven both would appear to disagree with you, I'll make up my own mind on them if/when I happen to drive them myself.
to both points. Everyone wants different things. Which Lee exemplifies. I guess a lot of it depends on driving style and prior experience...which isn't a dig at Lee, just an observation. If everyone wanted the same thing it'd be very easy (and boring) for mfrs to satisfy...PS - Just to explain - if you've only driven cars with 'numb' steering and (too-)low-profile tyres, you probably won't fully 'key-into' a car with feelsome steering and taller sidewalls, as:-
- You won't understand the messages without some exposure and practice, nor really care too much about them in day-to-day driving...and modern cars have limits so high you probably think you're near them when you're at 50/60%.
- The perceived slower turn-in could be perceived as a lack of 'sportiness' and a lack of involvement.
- The better secondary ride could also be taken the same way.
...which are my three main contrasts between the DC5 and DC2!
_Lee_ said:
It's easy to all jump on the band wagon when evo is trying to present the car as iconic but if you have driven both cars back to back on british roads, you will see the point I was trying to make and that is, there is not a huge amount of difference in the driving experience.
Take it from someone who's owned both cars back to back for thousands of miles- there is a huge amount of difference in the driving experience. Sorry, but your opinion is shared by a number no greater than 1. You.10 Pence Short said:
_Lee_ said:
It's easy to all jump on the band wagon when evo is trying to present the car as iconic but if you have driven both cars back to back on british roads, you will see the point I was trying to make and that is, there is not a huge amount of difference in the driving experience.
Take it from someone who's owned both cars back to back for thousands of miles- there is a huge amount of difference in the driving experience. Sorry, but your opinion is shared by a number no greater than 1. You.No need to apologize and there are plenty of people who share my opinion outside in the real world.
On the track the ITR may be able to exploit it's fantastic chassis and go places where the CTR can't but out on normal roads the difference isn't the gulf you would like us to believe.
Which car do you think is more exploitable on a average rough b road?
Gassing Station | Honda | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff