Van Limits.

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pugs9000

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242 posts

225 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Hi, i am just looking for some advice. What it is i seem to have got an idea from somewhere that the speed limits for vans- like a Tesco merc sprinter van, are less then the limit for a car, i.e on a national speed limit single carriageway road the limit would be 50MPH, the reason i ask is i have applied for a job as a DOTCOM driver and have to go back next week for a driving assessment and obviously one of the criteria is speed so i do not want to screw it up, i have checked the highway code again and it does seem to support this idea i have, as the limits for cars also apply to van based cars not with gvw over 2t, can someone set me straight please, thanks.

Puddenchucker

4,906 posts

233 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Yes. Generally anything bigger than an Astra van will be subject to a lower speed limit.

This link, to a scamera site, gives a good description of what type of vans are restricted to lower limits (last paragraph is the relevant one).
http://www.drivesafely.org/safety_cameras/speed_li...

i want an aero

642 posts

221 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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on a nsl with barriers you will have to do 60mph, my mate got done doing 68mph and was gobsmacked when a fixed penalty ticket arrived

johno_78

121 posts

221 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Car derived vans, like an astravan or escort van, fall under normal speed limit restrictions. Larger vans, such as merc sprinters, have a lower limit as follows;
in a normal nsl the speed limit is 50mph
on a dual carriageway the limit is 60mph
on a motorway the limit is 70 mph.

SS2.

14,605 posts

253 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Who me ?

7,455 posts

227 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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And BEWARE --some counties/SCP ARE setting their cameras up to profit from the limits - Warwickshire are known to set cameras to extract funds from truckers, and are warning firms that they are looking for income from others.

pugs9000

Original Poster:

242 posts

225 months

Wednesday 18th July 2007
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Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

TVR 3X

1,233 posts

282 months

Thursday 19th July 2007
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Is there an indication of this on the V5. My V5 has "private light goods" listed.

I have a Merc V-Class V280 MPV (7 seats) on a Vito chassis, although the lists say some of the Vito vans are limited it doesn't include any of the petrol engines or MPVs.

It really is a van derived car rather than a car dervied van.

Russ


Richard C

1,685 posts

272 months

Thursday 19th July 2007
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Puddenchucker said:
Yes. Generally anything bigger than an Astra van will be subject to a lower speed limit.

This link, to a scamera site, gives a good description of what type of vans are restricted to lower limits (last paragraph is the relevant one).
http://www.drivesafely.org/safety_cameras/speed_li...
No this propagates the usual SCPs half truths

disingenuous SCP said:
....Ford Transit, Mercedes Sprinter, Mercedes Vito, Peugeot Expert, Ford Connect vans, for example, are all restricted vans...
Only in panel van format. A Dual purpose vehicle which has small windows to the rear of the driver, seats to the rer of the driver and is below a certain u/l weight has the same speed limits as a car.

I fought a case in N Wales sucessfully last year when a trafpol tried it on. Charges were dropped when I proved it was a DPV.

The V5 designation " taxation class" is meaningless;

Flat in Fifth

46,772 posts

266 months

Thursday 19th July 2007
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Just to add to your confusion take a look at page 4 of deltafox's why is this thread.

The thread was asking why ignorance of the law is no defence when it's impossible to know all the laws.

There were some assertions from the usual suspects that it's easy and on page linked I posted a real life dilemma with two very similar vehicles.

As someone said above the taxation class is no help, and in theory the scammers check the vehicle data when they've pinged you, which all makes the prior opinion thing a bit of a joke. Look at vehicle, decide what the speed limit for that vehicle is according to rules, decide is it above that limit? then target and measure speed, all within 2 seconds if you believe the evidence of the tits who operate these camera vans.

Robin Hood

703 posts

220 months

Thursday 19th July 2007
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TVR 3X said:
Is there an indication of this on the V5. My V5 has "private light goods" listed.

I have a Merc V-Class V280 MPV (7 seats) on a Vito chassis, although the lists say some of the Vito vans are limited it doesn't include any of the petrol engines or MPVs.

It really is a van derived car rather than a car dervied van.

Russ
The lower speed limits are quite clear, they relate to GOODS VEHICLES only

onomatopoeia

3,511 posts

232 months

Thursday 19th July 2007
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So what does my VW T25 (transporter / caravelle) syncro count as? It was a minibus before I removed most of the seats to bring it down to 7 seats including driver, so has glass all the way around.

I can't decide whether it's a bus, a goods vehicle or something else entirely.

Flat in Fifth

46,772 posts

266 months

Thursday 19th July 2007
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onomatopoeia said:
So what does my VW T25 (transporter / caravelle) syncro count as? It was a minibus before I removed most of the seats to bring it down to 7 seats including driver, so has glass all the way around.

I can't decide whether it's a bus, a goods vehicle or something else entirely.
syncro = 4wd?
thus a dual purpose vehicle I'd bet without looking up the details.

DVD posted a good precis of the definition t'other day. I'll have a look.

onomatopoeia

3,511 posts

232 months

Friday 20th July 2007
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Flat in Fifth said:
onomatopoeia said:
So what does my VW T25 (transporter / caravelle) syncro count as? It was a minibus before I removed most of the seats to bring it down to 7 seats including driver, so has glass all the way around.

I can't decide whether it's a bus, a goods vehicle or something else entirely.
syncro = 4wd?
thus a dual purpose vehicle I'd bet without looking up the details.

DVD posted a good precis of the definition t'other day. I'll have a look.
Yep, is 4wd.

johno_78

121 posts

221 months

Friday 20th July 2007
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As luck would have it, i have just received a NIP today for my VW LT35 van doing 59mph on a single carriageway nsl. The offence is 'Exceeding the 50mph speed limit - class of vehicle (Sect 86(1) RTR'.

By the location, i believe it is from a fixed camera point, so it must have been triggered by it's weight or something, which is odd as the van was empty at the time.

Robin Hood

703 posts

220 months

Friday 20th July 2007
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johno_78 said:
As luck would have it, i have just received a NIP today for my VW LT35 van doing 59mph on a single carriageway nsl. The offence is 'Exceeding the 50mph speed limit - class of vehicle (Sect 86(1) RTR'.

By the location, i believe it is from a fixed camera point, so it must have been triggered by it's weight or something, which is odd as the van was empty at the time.
The plate recognition system would show it as a 3.5 tonne gross vehicle, the fact it was empty is irrelevant, the lower limit applies